Wheatless diet?

[Stella_Omega]

Anyone?

I've been feeling.. not right.. for quite a while now. I can't lose weight, and I constantly fight for energy, let alone be able to exercise the way I used to. I'm sure that there are multiple reasons for that sort of thing including menopause and stuff *handwave* but i ran across an article about how eating wheat is real bad for us. Investigating it tells me that the doctor who is promoting this notion-- is promoting the living hell out of it. He's got books and all sorts of shit. I'm thinking that it would be one way for me to PAY ATTENTION to my food, and there's plenty of info out there for Celiac's sufferers and wheatless recipes.

I plan to refuse the morning toast, and go on from there. Give it a couple of weeks, see if the results are as shocking as the claims claim.

 

[intothewoods]

I don't think the data shows that wheat is bad for everybody.

On the other hand, wheat-based products are heavily processed in this country. And that's never good. Eating lots of wheat stuff is probably bad -- like eating lots of anything is bad.

My advice would be to limit grains and vary the grains. Do brown rice. Bake with spelt flour. And limit portion size. And exercise.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes-- I was thinking about lentils and rice etc-- gotta fill me belly with other foods, right? But that's really not the point.

Gog, I don't want my diet to become a focal point for total narcissism. although just occurred to me that I am going to be at a Cajun restaurant tomorrow-- turning down the biegnets will make me feel like a fucking hero! I'm gonna allow myself to milk that one.

 

[Loverskitten]

I feel your pain, and I'm only 40 (only, ha) I too have been feeling like a complete pile for some time. I don't want to get out of bed, yet feel too sick and stressed to sleep (currently not sleeping thanks to the second head cold in a month *sneezesneezecoughcoughcough*)

Didn't someone post an article in the fitness Dom thread about how the gluten amount in wheat has changed drastically with all the genetic modifications in recent years.
I recently read an article about GMO crops and how bad they are for you. It was suggested you cut out all wheat, corn, soy, dairy, nuts, I think there was more. The more reading I do the scarier it is.
Remember when soy was good for you? Wasn't that like 6 months ago?

 

[Loverskitten]

I bet the big pharmaceutical companies are behind all the GMO and GE crops, to have us all allergy laden and feeling like crap so they can sell us drugs /conspiracy

 

[Netzach]

The way wheat is bad for us is insidious. It's not loudly bad for you, like being allergic to nuts making someone unable to breathe. But a lot of the health problems most of us have to one degree or another are in large part quietly exacerbated by the fact that we're eating something that about 80-90 percent of us are allergic to.

I was grain free for 2 years. I've obviously relapsed completely, but it's funny, I'm thinking it's time to drop the axe on bad food again as I'm noticing some inflammatory stuff that meds aren't fixing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Breakfast this morning was a half a baked potato from last night, one egg, one slice of Muenster cheese, an orange... two cuppas coffee...

If I use wheat as my 'dieting' marker AND try for smaller portions, I might do okay.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

I second what intothewoods said. It's not that "wheat" is bad for everyone, but eating highly processed foodstuffs is bad for everyone! People can pack a LOT of grain product into one meal, and I know a lot who do! Corn, breaded meat, roll, who knows what else all in one meal...

I don't necessarily advocate for the average person to go cutting all gluten from their diet. That's not only a huge pain in the ass, but it can get expensive to be buying all gluten-free groceries!

However, I think focusing on WHOLE grains (that have all the fiber, vitamin and mineral goodness that sticks with minimal processing) and having a variety of grains is fantastic. Check out your local organic store/section and check out the bulk tanks. You can get literal whole grains there...whole buckwheat, spelt, wheat berries, oats...it's surprising how delicious it can be to just munch on a bunch of whole wheat berries and buckwheat! (albeit, not very good for one's teeth I suppose).

Mmmmm I almost want to go get some now...

 

[Stella_Omega]

The Wheat Belly guru claims that grains are bad for us, period, period, period. Especially wheat.

That's what he say, and he's sticking to it, (and making money off it, of course, but hey we all gotta pay the rent)

He did suggest cooking ground flax seed like Cream of Wheat, and eating it as a cereal, once in a while. My first reaction was WHO HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY DUDE and my second was; 'mmm... yum...' because I do love flax seeds.

 

[intothewoods]

The Wheat Belly guru claims that grains are bad for us, period, period, period. Especially wheat.

That's what he say, and he's sticking to it, (and making money off it, of course, but hey we all gotta pay the rent)

He did suggest cooking ground flax seed like Cream of Wheat, and eating it as a cereal, once in a while. My first reaction was WHO HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY DUDE and my second was; 'mmm... yum...' because I do love flax seeds.

Some time ago I googled "wheat belly" and "skeptic" and tried to nail down some data. I couldn't find much but I didn't spend all that long on it.

Netz is totally right that wheat allergies are intolerance to the stuff.

I'm suspicious of the idea that all grains are bad for you.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

I'm exceedingly suspicious of any blanket statements like "All of X are bad for you."

Not even "all" outright POISONS are bad for you at a low dose. Tiny doses of venoms over time can help a body cope with a full envenomation. Not to mention that a large portion of medicines (both pharmaceutical AND nutraceutical) are toxic at a certain dose.

I will outright confess to have never read the book. However, here are two critics of the book that bring up very good points. The first is actually published in a peer-reviewed journal, so I'm perfectly willing to give it veracity. The second is a blog post written by an individual who had been reading many of the same articles the author used as "proof" and she notes some glaring discrepancies.

http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html

 

[BiBunny]

I'm exceedingly suspicious of any blanket statements like "All of X are bad for you."

Not even "all" outright POISONS are bad for you at a low dose. Tiny doses of venoms over time can help a body cope with a full envenomation. Not to mention that a large portion of medicines (both pharmaceutical AND nutraceutical) are toxic at a certain dose.

I will outright confess to have never read the book. However, here are two critics of the book that bring up very good points. The first is actually published in a peer-reviewed journal, so I'm perfectly willing to give it veracity. The second is a blog post written by an individual who had been reading many of the same articles the author used as "proof" and she notes some glaring discrepancies.

http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html

This.

Also, I think that there's a question of degrees. For example, I'm allergic to yeast. Not in the "Oh, I diagnosed myself online because of some vague, nebulous symptoms or other" way, but in the "During the allergy prick test that the doctor's office gave me, my skin formed a hive where the yeast serum thingie was injected" way.

However, as far as I know, the only symptom that this particular allergy gives me is an itchy throat if I've had too much yeast in one day, and even that happens only very, very rarely. And that's saying something because many of my allergies produce violent reactions. So, to me, the risk of an occasional itchy throat is far outweighed by the taste of yummy, yummy yeast breads.

I expect that a lot of food allergies can be looked at this way. There's a huge gulf between my occasionally itchy throat and someone else's anaphylactic shock. My being blasé about my yeast allergy isn't a big deal, but other people's allergies are so bad that they can't afford to be so meh about the whole thing.

 

[intothewoods]

This.

Also, I think that there's a question of degrees. For example, I'm allergic to yeast. Not in the "Oh, I diagnosed myself online because of some vague, nebulous symptoms or other" way, but in the "During the allergy prick test that the doctor's office gave me, my skin formed a hive where the yeast serum thingie was injected" way.

However, as far as I know, the only symptom that this particular allergy gives me is an itchy throat if I've had too much yeast in one day, and even that happens only very, very rarely. And that's saying something because many of my allergies produce violent reactions. So, to me, the risk of an occasional itchy throat is far outweighed by the taste of yummy, yummy yeast breads.

I expect that a lot of food allergies can be looked at this way. There's a huge gulf between my occasionally itchy throat and someone else's anaphylactic shock. My being blasé about my yeast allergy isn't a big deal, but other people's allergies are so bad that they can't afford to be so meh about the whole thing.During the allergy prick test that the doctor's office gave me, my skin formed a hive where the yeast serum thingie was injected

Well, wheat does not produce an anaphylactic reaction. We simply all digest wheat at varying degrees of, er, proficiency. So I think that the argument would be that if you're not digesting it well, there may be other side effects as a result of that condition. I could be wrong but I think that though we're using the word "allergy" in both scenarios, different things are going on.

Allergies generally are on the rise in the U.S. and no one really knows why for sure. There are various theories being explored but nothing definitive.

It's definitely something I would like to know more about.

 

[Netzach]

The Wheat Belly guru claims that grains are bad for us, period, period, period. Especially wheat.

That's what he say, and he's sticking to it, (and making money off it, of course, but hey we all gotta pay the rent)

He did suggest cooking ground flax seed like Cream of Wheat, and eating it as a cereal, once in a while. My first reaction was WHO HAS THAT KIND OF MONEY DUDE and my second was; 'mmm... yum...' because I do love flax seeds.

I ditched everything. Ev-ery-thing. Wheat, potato, "gluten free" etc.

It's not expensive, it's nutritionally awesome, it's just boring.

When you get over the boredom and food is just fuel and not entertainment, you feel really good. I felt really good.

I still wound up needing remicade, but I - felt - really - good. My skin was clear, my weight was down, my energy was as good as it was going to get for someone coming off a year of steroids.

The problem md's have is that they want you to be normal, not that there's a single thing in these complex starches that you actually NEED.

Nobody ever died from deciding that spinach and sardines and strawberries were fine for lunch.

You can also play with limiting dairy if you use it to hard (6 month) cheese, butter, and yogurt you make yourself and let do its thing for 24 hours versus items with significant lactose.

 

[Netzach]

Some time ago I googled "wheat belly" and "skeptic" and tried to nail down some data. I couldn't find much but I didn't spend all that long on it.

Netz is totally right that wheat allergies are intolerance to the stuff.

I'm suspicious of the idea that all grains are bad for you.

All grains are bad for "you" if you have an inflammatory condition in your gut exacerbated by problematic bacteria.

For the same reason that you dump honey into bread and milk makes yogurt - small critters love sugars. The longer the sugar hangs out, the more violent the small critters get, the more your body decides it's being invaded.

This is the skeletal version of the science informing my decisions on this one.

That's actually a huge number of people, not just CD/UC - basically if you have anything inflammatory happening, this is worth playing with.

If you are not one, then you can eat grains. You can probably eat anything and live secure in your likelihood to reach 100. Most of us are inflamed.

Expect to get sluggish, heavier, find it harder to lose weight and most of all fall prey to the profoundly addictive qualities of these foods. I know I do. I have an ON and OFF switch for eating right. Sugar and bread perpetuate themselves for me to the tune of 40 pounds.

Yeah, things like brown rice and farro and flax seeds are better for some people than white starch - who's going to OD on farro? No one. it doesn't hit those pleasure centers the way baguette does.

White rice is the cleanest if you have to go there, apparently. Potato treats me OK.

I've never read "wheat belly" just "specific carbohydrate diet" - these people will sound like stuck up quacks who will annoy the shit out of you. That doesn't mean they're not also right.

Almost all the GF products I've looked into are corn-starch stuffed (even WORSE) abominations! No wonder those people gained and felt like ass on that study. Going around gluten by eating even more refined goop is not going to help the underlying issues.

Anyhow, whether you want to be dramatic or not is up to you, but there's nobody who will not do themselves a big favor by putting the "grain" basis for the horrid USDA pyramid up where the meats or the sugars are instead and making veggies and fruits the bottom rung. Also don't fear the nuts.

 

[intothewoods]

All grains are bad for "you" if you have an inflammatory condition in your gut exacerbated by problematic bacteria.

For the same reason that you dump honey into bread and milk makes yogurt - small critters love sugars. The longer the sugar hangs out, the more violent the small critters get.

That's actually a huge number of people. If you are not one, then you can eat grains. You'll just get sluggish, heavier, find it harder to lose weight and most of all fall prey to the profoundly addictive qualities of these foods. I know I do. I have an ON and OFF switch for eating right.

This is the skeletal version of the science informing my decisions on this one.

White rice is the cleanest if you have to go there, apparently. Potato treats me OK.

I've never read "wheat belly" just "specific carbohydrate diet" - these people will sound like stuck up quacks who will annoy the shit out of you. That doesn't mean they're not also right.

Almost all the GF products I've looked into are corn-starch stuffed (even WORSE) abominations! No wonder those people gained.

Anyhow, whether you want to be dramatic or not is up to you, but there's nobody who will not do themselves a big favor by putting the "grain" basis for the horrid USDA pyramid up where the meats are instead and making veggies fruits the bottom rung. Also don't fear the nuts.

I'm genuinely curious how many people are truly wheat intolerant (from severe to minor reactions). Has it always been this way? I'm suspicious of quacks but I wouldn't discount the theory for that reason. I just want to see evidence, and since I'm not a scientist or doctor, I just read as many of them as possible and look to who is citing data/studies/research and who lays it all out with an evidence-based approach.

I definitely don't follow the USDA food pyramid. Nuts were my diet savior for a long time but, alas, speaking of allergies...That was a huge blow actually.

My history has been that limiting the stuff helps me with weight loss, that I can easily overeat carby stuff if I'm not careful, but that overall limiting calories and working out like a mofo keeps me in check.

Ever since Keroin mentioned the super-wheat thing (wheat being grown with a higher gluten level), I've been thinking more and more I would love to mill my own flour. It's kind of geeky and foodie at the same time. You need a certain level of gluten for bread to do it's thing though, and I don't know if all wheat is now modified or what. I dunno. It's a bit too crazy a thing for me to tackle right now but maybe someday.

That's my fantasy! Exciting stuff!

 

[Netzach]

I'm genuinely curious how many people are truly wheat intolerant (from severe to minor reactions). Has it always been this way? I'm suspicious of quacks but I wouldn't discount the theory for that reason. I just want to see evidence, and since I'm not a scientist or doctor, I just read as many of them as possible and look to who is citing data/studies/research and who lays it all out with an evidence-based approach.

I definitely don't follow the USDA food pyramid. Nuts were my diet savior for a long time but, alas, speaking of allergies...That was a huge blow actually.

My history has been that limiting the stuff helps me with weight loss, that I can easily overeat carby stuff if I'm not careful, but that overall limiting calories and working out like a mofo keeps me in check.

Ever since Keroin mentioned the super-wheat thing (wheat being grown with a higher gluten level), I've been thinking more and more I would love to mill my own flour. It's kind of geeky and foodie at the same time. You need a certain level of gluten for bread to do it's thing though, and I don't know if all wheat is now modified or what. I dunno. It's a bit too crazy a thing for me to tackle right now but maybe someday.

That's my fantasy! Exciting stuff!

Look into heritage wheat and turkish wheat. You're still not going to get doughy bread, but you'll get bread.

I'm sorry about your nuts. THAT would fuck me badly.

Look, I used to roll my eyes at people who sounded the way I do now. I still do, frankly. I was the person quietly ordering a cheese plate and a salad or bringing my food to a party rather than telling everyone to sub things. If you're interested in passionate "all these people can't be that batshit insane" stuff, specific carbohydrate will be interesting for you to read about.

I never got that into their making nuts into pseudo bread thing myself - it was about getting better not still being able to have cake.

There is some science backing this, but it's all piecemeal stuff - the money is in infusions, not food so research is----eh. I like Raman Prasad's food blog for some righteous indignation. (nerd out here - some research is in)

http://blog.scdrecipe.com/2011/12/29/exciting-umass-study-planned-obsolescence-site/

An example of the problem with debunking (and I love debunking!)

I had an american MD make fun of my use of a certain nutirtional supplementation for Crohn's because the USDA hasn't tested it, etc, so who knows what it does and it's all quackery.

However, the Australian version of the USDA has, and it's used there all the time BY MD's. I guess Australians have different intestines?

The SCD people don't do themselves any favors with douchey claims to "cure" Crohn's and Autism - but that doesn't mean they're not ever correct douches.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

There is one thing that always drives me crazy in this wheat/not wheat discussion. When we're talking about gluten, wheat, grains, etc..., are we talking about bread/pasta/cereal/filler/etc..., or rolled oats and wheat groats? I feel like these are two very different food products and I sincerely believe that there is NOTHING unhealthy about consuming the whole seed of a grain product within reason. Is it really a problem of THAT we are eating grains, or that we are eating a SHIT FUCKING TON OF GRAINS that no longer resemble their original seed?

Netzach, I cannot agree with you more about the idiocy of putting grains as the base of the food pyramid. I really do not believe that humans were designed to have a diet primarily of grain and certainly not of highly processed refined grain product. But the entire grain seed is just that...a seed. And seeds are definitely not something to be cast aside without consideration. I am of the opinion that seeds are part of the "natural diet" of the human being (can I just point out how ridiculous it is that humans don't even know for certainty what their "natural diet" is and we're the only damn species that has lost this knowledge?), but like most non-rodent creatures, we are not primarily seed-consumers. Seeds are a supplementary food, and a GREAT supplement! But we don't eat them that way and I think that becomes the core issue.

I think we will find that the average individual does not feel better once they cut grains out because they are no longer eating grains. I think we will find they feel better because they ARE eating veggies and legumes where they were neglecting them previously.

As far as the "addiction" thing goes, I think that's more of a "starch" problem than a "grain" problem. hence why we see it in potatoes which are nothing resembling a grain. In fact, I'd say they're pretty much the opposite of a grain, botanically speaking

 

[knot_sweet]

Whilst I'm not into heavily processed any type of food, unless you're actually a diagnosed ceoliac, cutting wheat/gluten completely seems a little excessive. Cut down, sure, but cut out? Probably not so cool. Everything in moderation right?

Have you had your iron/vitamin D levels checked lately? With most people eating little to no red meat (without eating the green leafy stuff to make up for it) and not getting enough sun (working long hours indoors, going home to sit inside), the general, undiagnosed blah feeling experienced by a large percentage of the population is explainable by these two deficiencies.

The dreaded 'drink more water' advice. Not enough hydration means toxins build up in our bodies more. Our brains don't work as well and our cells don't repair properly. A combination of not enough water and too much caffine is one of the main causes of sleep problems.


Just my .2c Feel free to take with tequila and lemon

 

[Netzach]

There is one thing that always drives me crazy in this wheat/not wheat discussion. When we're talking about gluten, wheat, grains, etc..., are we talking about bread/pasta/cereal/filler/etc..., or rolled oats and wheat groats? I feel like these are two very different food products and I sincerely believe that there is NOTHING unhealthy about consuming the whole seed of a grain product within reason. Is it really a problem of THAT we are eating grains, or that we are eating a SHIT FUCKING TON OF GRAINS that no longer resemble their original seed?

Netzach, I cannot agree with you more about the idiocy of putting grains as the base of the food pyramid. I really do not believe that humans were designed to have a diet primarily of grain and certainly not of highly processed refined grain product. But the entire grain seed is just that...a seed. And seeds are definitely not something to be cast aside without consideration. I am of the opinion that seeds are part of the "natural diet" of the human being (can I just point out how ridiculous it is that humans don't even know for certainty what their "natural diet" is and we're the only damn species that has lost this knowledge?), but like most non-rodent creatures, we are not primarily seed-consumers. Seeds are a supplementary food, and a GREAT supplement! But we don't eat them that way and I think that becomes the core issue.

I think we will find that the average individual does not feel better once they cut grains out because they are no longer eating grains. I think we will find they feel better because they ARE eating veggies and legumes where they were neglecting them previously.

As far as the "addiction" thing goes, I think that's more of a "starch" problem than a "grain" problem. hence why we see it in potatoes which are nothing resembling a grain. In fact, I'd say they're pretty much the opposite of a grain, botanically speaking

If you're talking about a healthy person having a handful of buckwheat once a week, no, no problems. I agree, in a lot of cases what you're talking about is fine. But it's not how most people eat. As we agree.

Also that's the nature of intolerances and problems and people. X billion micro-organisms can live in my mouth and do nothing and the same X billion can give someone a massive infection.

They think cultivation in the Levant goes way way way back before they thought initially, so I'm not some functional anthro nut either.

If you DO have active CD/UC (or even RA or Sjogrens or psoriasis, because why not) I'd say take a month off and see if it helps anything. Real live small controlled study referenced above. Would love it to have been bigger, but MD's shout yippee and put everyone on Remicade when it puts 50 percent into remission for 2 months out.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

If you're talking about a healthy person having a handful of buckwheat once a week, no, no problems. I agree, in a lot of cases what you're talking about it fine. But it's not how most people eat. As we agree.

They think cultivation in the Levant goes way way way back before they thought initially, so I'm not some functional anthro nut either.

If you DO have active CD/UC (or even RA or Sjogrens or psoriasis, because why not) I'd say take a month off and see if it helps anything. Real live small controlled study referenced above.

Oh definitely agree with you about people with active intestinal inflammatory disease. I think that's a whole different ballpark and I hope I wasn't giving the impression I believe those individuals should eat the same as everyone else. I think there's too much evidence to the contrary for that!

The equivalent of a handful of buckwheat here and there is about all I think most people really should be getting in terms of grain. I think a small amount of processing is okay. Chewing straight up groats can't be good for one's teeth (at least not when you haven't been doing it from a young age), and the southwest native americans ground certain grain and seed products for flour with no apparent ill effects that I know of. But that was stone grinding and far from the intense processes used today to make something like cake flour!!

 

[intothewoods]

Look into heritage wheat and turkish wheat. You're still not going to get doughy bread, but you'll get bread.

I totally will -- cool!

I'm sorry about your nuts. THAT would fuck me badly.

Look, I used to roll my eyes at people who sounded the way I do now. I still do, frankly. I was the person quietly ordering a cheese plate and a salad or bringing my food to a party rather than telling everyone to sub things. If you're interested in passionate "all these people can't be that batshit insane" stuff, specific carbohydrate will be interesting for you to read about.

I never got that into their making nuts into pseudo bread thing myself - it was about getting better not still being able to have cake.

There is some science backing this, but it's all piecemeal stuff - the money is in infusions, not food so research is----eh. I like Raman Prasad's food blog for some righteous indignation.

An example of the problem with debunking (and I love debunking!)

I had an american MD make fun of my use of a certain nutirtional supplementation for Crohn's because the USDA hasn't tested it, etc, so who knows what it does and it's all quackery.

However, the Australian version of the USDA has, and it's used there all the time BY MD's. I guess Australians have different intestines?

The SCD people don't do themselves any favors with douchey claims to "cure" Crohn's and Autism - but that doesn't mean they're not ever correct douches.

To start, I've never heard of this diet, but I'll read up on it. I have to say that your mention that there are folks claiming it cures autism sends up red flags and makes me feel like going nuts. But perhaps those are fringe people. I can't listen to anyone who puts out that kind of thing. I mean, just not based on their say so, kwim? Doesn't mean everything they say is hogwash. I just want the evidence. And I get particularly pissed when there's bullshit being spread to desperate parents and innocent kids. i.e., vaccine deniers.

But I hear you. Evidence is hard to come by in this area. And I don't believe an MD just because he or she is an MD. Of course there are shit MDs, there's always politics to research and on and on. What I love about the skeptic movement is that ultimately it is a search for information and knowledge. But anyway...I mean, food allergies are the same way. Conflicting data. Different theories. I'm sure in ten years we'll know much more. Or we'll all be living in bubbles. I think the leading "cure" being tested is to introduce a microscopic amount of the allergen to your body over time.

 

[intothewoods]

Oh definitely agree with you about people with active intestinal inflammatory disease. I think that's a whole different ballpark and I hope I wasn't giving the impression I believe those individuals should eat the same as everyone else. I think there's too much evidence to the contrary for that!

The equivalent of a handful of buckwheat here and there is about all I think most people really should be getting in terms of grain. I think a small amount of processing is okay. Chewing straight up groats can't be good for one's teeth (at least not when you haven't been doing it from a young age), and the southwest native americans ground certain grain and seed products for flour with no apparent ill effects that I know of. But that was stone grinding and far from the intense processes used today to make something like cake flour!!

ETA - and totally agree that intestinal inflammatory disease is a whole other ballpark, but I have heard people say -- none of us can really digest wheat. Or most of us can't. But I don't know if that's true or not. And I don't know if they mean whole wheat berries (isn't that the grain -- are there buckwheat berries? Is that the same as a grout?) or whole wheat flour.

So what if I ground my own wheat berries? Like from a health food store. I don't know how that wold be for baking though straight. Probably not that tasty. Hmm. I'm sure other food nerds have tried all this so I probably just need to look around.

Another thing -- I feel like wheat flour and wheat pasta is sort of gross. It started to gross me out but I don't feel like that about brown rice pasta. It's very light. Is that all in my head? Or is brown rice pasta actually better for you (where "you" is a person without inflammatory issues)? These are just all of the things that I wonder about on this topic. Maybe I should become a nutritionist...

 

[Netzach]

I have to say that your mention that there are folks claiming it cures autism sends up red flags and makes me feel like going nuts. But perhaps those are fringe people. I can't listen to anyone who puts out that kind of thing. I mean, just not based on their say so, kwim? Doesn't mean everything they say is hogwash. I just want the evidence. And I get particularly pissed when there's bullshit being spread to desperate parents and innocent kids. i.e., vaccine deniers.

No I have a serious love hate with these people and they still make me stabby on a regular basis. Prasad is my guy, he annoys me less than the rest of them, he actually has a brain.

 

[intothewoods]

You guys -- wasn't there a football game on tonight?


HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sorry, I crack myself up.

Ok, I have to go to bed!

But seriously I find all this interesting so I'll come back to it. But I'm reading about my ego right now! Have like six books out on Buddhism. My wheat belly will have to wait, lol.