Crossdressing Top - you bet

[midwestyankee]

And again, that is one of the inherent difficulties of language. Naming provides an immediate "sense" of a thing or person, so that we have some sense of how to respond to that individual. Yet it limits our behavior in some sense by creating expectations. For some reason, your comment made me think of what might happen in a public play space where there are no hankies, no indicative modes of dress, and the only question allowed was, "What are you in the mood for today?" Neon

Disclaimer: the following is merely an impromptu ramble and does not reflect the opinion of management in any way.

At this point, I wonder about the extent to which Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty might apply to linguistics. For, as neon aptly said above, naming something provides an immediate "sense" of it and yet the naming can never provide the whole sense. No one word can ever capture the totality of the quality of anything. Further, the attempt to name, just as the attempt to measure a particle in physics, introduces inherent variances from the ideal that further remove the name from the true quality of the thing. We attempt to name a thing by assigning a finite sequence of phonetic symbols to represent the thing. But the thing is ever changing within human experience and so can never be accurately captured.

Or maybe not.

 

[Shankara20]

the predicament - we use language to communicate - language is a construct of ideas

so a tree is:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/CE91204B-97EE-11D5-B428-00105A1DD84.jpg or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree-1.jpg or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree-1.gif or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree.jpg

all the same - none the same.

I try to hold on loosely to the words I use and try to allow for the same looseness to the words I hear.

I get concerned about how we harm each other over the words we use when we try to communicate. And I am concerned about the harm we do to ourselves when we try to conform to a way of being in society based on words not clearly defined but that carry a heavy punishment if not followed - the punishment of being ostracized for example.

More on my feelings about the harm of socialization a bit later.

Thanks you everyones thoughts.

 

[neonflux]

Disclaimer: the following is merely an impromptu ramble and does not reflect the opinion of management in any way.

At this point, I wonder about the extent to which Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty might apply to linguistics. For, as neon aptly said above, naming something provides an immediate "sense" of it and yet the naming can never provide the whole sense. No one word can ever capture the totality of the quality of anything. Further, the attempt to name, just as the attempt to measure a particle in physics, introduces inherent variances from the ideal that further remove the name from the true quality of the thing. We attempt to name a thing by assigning a finite sequence of phonetic symbols to represent the thing. But the thing is ever changing within human experience and so can never be accurately captured.

Or maybe not.

Hey, I just noticed your current AV! Isn't that Swan's on Polk Street in San Francisco? That's in my neighborhood!

To comment on your post. I think what you say makes sense. (I had to do some research - I like science and math but know only bits and pieces of physics.) It also harkens back to Plato's "Allegory of the Cave," as does Shank's next post.

Isn't there a documented phenomenon in physics (I am assuming quantum since we're talking subatomic) in which the very observation of the path of subatomic particles will change their direction or actions? And would this not be very similar to what Shank is talking about in the next post, in that other's reactions to the descriptors we adopt for ourselves can indeed cause changes in our self perceptions and therefore reactions/behavior?

Or am I just taking this too far?
*chuckle* Neon

 

[neonflux]

the predicament - we use language to communicate - language is a construct of ideas

so a tree is:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/CE91204B-97EE-11D5-B428-00105A1DD84.jpg or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree-1.jpg or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree-1.gif or http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/nbright1969/clip/tree.jpg

all the same - none the same.

I try to hold on loosely to the words I use and try to allow for the same looseness to the words I hear.

I get concerned about how we harm each other over the words we use when we try to communicate. And I am concerned about the harm we do to ourselves when we try to conform to a way of being in society based on words not clearly defined but that carry a heavy punishment if not followed - the punishment of being ostracized for example.

More on my feelings about the harm of socialization a bit later.

Thanks you everyones thoughts.

Gentle reminder!
(P.S., like the new sig pics )

 

[midwestyankee]

Hey, I just noticed your current AV! Isn't that Swan's on Polk Street in San Francisco? That's in my neighborhood!

To comment on your post. I think what you say makes sense. (I had to do some research - I like science and math but know only bits and pieces of physics.) It also harkens back to Plato's "Allegory of the Cave," as does Shank's next post.

Isn't there a documented phenomenon in physics (I am assuming quantum since we're talking subatomic) in which the very observation of the path of subatomic particles will change their direction or actions? And would this not be very similar to what Shank is talking about in the next post, in that other's reactions to the descriptors we adopt for ourselves can indeed cause changes in our self perceptions and therefore reactions/behavior?

Or am I just taking this too far?
*chuckle* Neon

Yes it is. Swan's is one of my favorite places in San Francisco. I was in the area three times last year and ate extremely well every time I sat down.

Yes, the Heisenberg principle is sometimes interpreted to mean that the very act of measuring changes the particle's location, and thus its identity. I'm way out of my realm in talking about quantum physics so the amount that I know makes me quite dangerous in a metaphysical (and not physical) way.