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Re: Re: Re: Heimlich
I tried that shit, and I agree wholeheartedly. You become really annoying to everyone around you, and driving a car? Wo! You wanna kill the bastards. How dare they cut ME off???
It was very nasty. I found out why, but I won't bore you with primate studies here. Believe this naked guy with the black-and-white cock thing here on this one.
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ps and it's not a side effect. It IS the effect. Some pharmaceutical ass actually thought this would be a good thing for a depressed person.
pps whatzis got to do with Arbusto Man being awe-inspiring??
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I tried that shit, and I agree wholeheartedly. You become really annoying to everyone around you, and driving a car? Wo! You wanna kill the bastards. How dare they cut ME off???
It was very nasty. I found out why, but I won't bore you with primate studies here. Believe this naked guy with the black-and-white cock thing here on this one.
cantdog
ps and it's not a side effect. It IS the effect. Some pharmaceutical ass actually thought this would be a good thing for a depressed person.
pps whatzis got to do with Arbusto Man being awe-inspiring??
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Do you know if they add that stuff to drinking water in southern Europe?cantdog said:
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i have friend who've done well on wellbutrin, and poorly on prozac. For one thing, it cuts the need for (over) sleep, a common habit of depressed persons. Its a slight but palpable 'upper,' yielding a sense of increased energy (presumably from the norepinephrine whose level, w increases.)
Wellbutrin is one of the few antidepressants that does not reduce sexual drive.
There is, of course, no one anti-d drug that's best for everyone.
Wellbutrin is one of the few antidepressants that does not reduce sexual drive.
There is, of course, no one anti-d drug that's best for everyone.
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I have a very close friend who went completely weird and unstable as soon as she was given antidepressants, split personality wasn't the wording for it... I haven't a clue what brand they were, I took little interest as we flushed them down the sink.... She recovered of her own free will without drugs... of course this might not apply to everyone, not all people can cure themselves... but caution is needed with drugs of this kind and any overly strange change of persona should be treated with caution.
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Well, it isn't actually the effect in every single person. Each person's body chemistry is different, and as such the medication affects all of us in a different manner. For me, it made me an extremely outgoing, flirtacious psychopath.. Hey, it was hellaciously fun, but incredibly dangerous.. I didn't even realize it was going on until I started losing my temper more and more often, and it just kept building. I couldn't get rid of any of the anger after it had originated.. Eventually it all just burst and I had an extreme emotional and mental breakdown... fortunately I was at home at the time, because there was also a prick pushing my buttons at the time that might've ended up in the hospital or morgue otherwise.. and I can do without the jail time... or whatever would've happened..
It did make for an interesting experience, lived the life I never had for a month.. finally knew what it was like to be someone else completely.. Sure, it was fun and everything.. but you know what? It just wasn't me
I like the person who I've become, through all the trials I've gone through.. I'm proud of the shit I've survived.. and the ways that I've handled it all.. not everybody can say that about themselves right? Then again, not everyone gets a chance to see what it is like to be someone else, and learn to appreciate themselves better.. I highly recommend that part at least.. But noone needs drugs for that, just a good sense of perception..
Has anyone else tried the Effexor XR and Topomax combination? I really don't know if it is helping.. I don't know what life is like "non-depressed"... I have no memories to compare it too where I remember myself happy.. I'm pretty sure I'm still not even stable.. but I don't know how to describe it to my doctor.. I can't communicate well without the written word, and even the written word can't portray what goes on in my mind.... Its very hard to even talk about it.. Does anyone have any advice?
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Well, it isn't actually the effect in every single person. Each person's body chemistry is different, and as such the medication affects all of us in a different manner. For me, it made me an extremely outgoing, flirtacious psychopath.. Hey, it was hellaciously fun, but incredibly dangerous.. I didn't even realize it was going on until I started losing my temper more and more often, and it just kept building. I couldn't get rid of any of the anger after it had originated.. Eventually it all just burst and I had an extreme emotional and mental breakdown... fortunately I was at home at the time, because there was also a prick pushing my buttons at the time that might've ended up in the hospital or morgue otherwise.. and I can do without the jail time... or whatever would've happened..
It did make for an interesting experience, lived the life I never had for a month.. finally knew what it was like to be someone else completely.. Sure, it was fun and everything.. but you know what? It just wasn't me
I like the person who I've become, through all the trials I've gone through.. I'm proud of the shit I've survived.. and the ways that I've handled it all.. not everybody can say that about themselves right? Then again, not everyone gets a chance to see what it is like to be someone else, and learn to appreciate themselves better.. I highly recommend that part at least.. But noone needs drugs for that, just a good sense of perception..Has anyone else tried the Effexor XR and Topomax combination? I really don't know if it is helping.. I don't know what life is like "non-depressed"... I have no memories to compare it too where I remember myself happy.. I'm pretty sure I'm still not even stable.. but I don't know how to describe it to my doctor.. I can't communicate well without the written word, and even the written word can't portray what goes on in my mind.... Its very hard to even talk about it.. Does anyone have any advice?
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Tolyk, there are so many depressed people in this forum that we've decided the happy are abnormal.
I'm going to see if I can find and bump the Depression thread so you can scan it for info on everyone's experiences with the meds, and their perceptions of the illness. The thread starts off with some bickering (what do you expect from a bunch of crazy people?) but we eventually calm down and exchange useful information, as well as some personal anecdotes, one of which might strike a chord with you. I know of only one person with Effexor experience, and he would no doubt caution you about the dangers of stopping that drug too quickly, if it ever becomes necessary to stop. But that may be true of any of these meds.
Good luck, honey. When I was depressed and deeply ashamed to try Prozac (it would mean admitting that I couldn't control everything through the strength of my own will - as if I could have controlled a broken arm, or diabetes) I didn't know anyone I could discuss it with. I hope you'll find it useful to know you're not alone here, in fact you're in the majority. And that most of us, even those who have been so deep iin the pit at one time that we thought there was no way out, are enjoying out lives for the most part. I'm a celexa fan myself. But every med seems to be different for everyone who takes it. That's why the SSRIs are frustrating, and why they're slightly miraculous.
I'm going to see if I can find and bump the Depression thread so you can scan it for info on everyone's experiences with the meds, and their perceptions of the illness. The thread starts off with some bickering (what do you expect from a bunch of crazy people?) but we eventually calm down and exchange useful information, as well as some personal anecdotes, one of which might strike a chord with you. I know of only one person with Effexor experience, and he would no doubt caution you about the dangers of stopping that drug too quickly, if it ever becomes necessary to stop. But that may be true of any of these meds.
Good luck, honey. When I was depressed and deeply ashamed to try Prozac (it would mean admitting that I couldn't control everything through the strength of my own will - as if I could have controlled a broken arm, or diabetes) I didn't know anyone I could discuss it with. I hope you'll find it useful to know you're not alone here, in fact you're in the majority. And that most of us, even those who have been so deep iin the pit at one time that we thought there was no way out, are enjoying out lives for the most part. I'm a celexa fan myself. But every med seems to be different for everyone who takes it. That's why the SSRIs are frustrating, and why they're slightly miraculous.
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Alright, thanks SR, I appreciate it And yes, the 'happy' people are the abnormal, or just lieing
For many years, the only thing that kept me going was the knowledge that my mother wouldn't be able to survive the loss of another son.. My eldest brother died in 1995.. and I fought on just for my mom.. When I told her that one day, she looked at me and said she can't handle the loss of one..
Anyways, good luck finding the depression thread..
And yes, the 'happy' people are the abnormal, or just lieing For many years, the only thing that kept me going was the knowledge that my mother wouldn't be able to survive the loss of another son.. My eldest brother died in 1995.. and I fought on just for my mom.. When I told her that one day, she looked at me and said she can't handle the loss of one..
Anyways, good luck finding the depression thread..
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Heimlich
I've been taking Wellbutrin for a couple years now. I've never had any effects like that. In fact, they just upped my dose to the maximum amount: 450 mg/day.
I'm also taking Remeron and risperdal and Lamactil, all for the big D. I'm so full of anti-depressents that I rattle when I walk. None of them seems to work that well in my case, but they seem to be better than nothing.
I did notice myself getting more aggressive on high doses of Remeron, so I cut back. The Lamactil had a weird effect in that I couldn't handle any kind of frustration. A light bulb would blow and it would send me into a fit of despair, and so they're taking me off it. It was experimental anyhow.
It's really amazing how much variability there is between brain chemistries. That's why prescribing anti-D's is so terribly hit & miss.
---dr.M.
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I've been taking Wellbutrin for a couple years now. I've never had any effects like that. In fact, they just upped my dose to the maximum amount: 450 mg/day.
I'm also taking Remeron and risperdal and Lamactil, all for the big D. I'm so full of anti-depressents that I rattle when I walk. None of them seems to work that well in my case, but they seem to be better than nothing.
I did notice myself getting more aggressive on high doses of Remeron, so I cut back. The Lamactil had a weird effect in that I couldn't handle any kind of frustration. A light bulb would blow and it would send me into a fit of despair, and so they're taking me off it. It was experimental anyhow.
It's really amazing how much variability there is between brain chemistries. That's why prescribing anti-D's is so terribly hit & miss.
---dr.M.
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It's been mentioned but I'd like to emphasize that treating depression (or bi-polarity) with drugs comes down to the effects of chemistry, not just the chemistry of the drug being taken, but everyone's unique brain makeup. I think it is un-helpful to warn others about the drug that made you sick, impotent, suicidal, etc. It's too bad, but some people have to try several drugs, or combinations of, before feeling better, even if only to cope better.
I took Prozac for several years and always say it saved my life (I was as psychologically miserable, in despair and suicidal as can be without needing to be hospitalized). God-only-knows the reason Prozac stopped working; I realized this as I slid into another severe depression (triggered by a big loss). I've been on Effexor for the past 3 or 4 years and as long it keeps working I cannot imagine not taking it.
BTW, there have been recent findings about coming off anti-depressants. The effects vary. Some drugs can be stopped immediately, others need a slow decrease (it's all chemistry, folks).
Some people here are still using the word "happy". Effexor does not make me happy. Sometimes my rabbit, special friends, family or Beethoven make me happy. Mostly I am glad to be content with my life, and I feel secure that my meds will keep me at the very least from killing myself.
When I am depressed I am not my self. I recall each time, first with Prozac, then with Effexor, coming back to myself (like a fog dissipating from around my soul). I may have still been a somewhat depressed self, but so much more of "me" than without the drugs. Happiness or joy is a grace and not being severely depressed allows me to "feel" happy or joyful when circumstances allow.
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I took Prozac for several years and always say it saved my life (I was as psychologically miserable, in despair and suicidal as can be without needing to be hospitalized). God-only-knows the reason Prozac stopped working; I realized this as I slid into another severe depression (triggered by a big loss). I've been on Effexor for the past 3 or 4 years and as long it keeps working I cannot imagine not taking it.
BTW, there have been recent findings about coming off anti-depressants. The effects vary. Some drugs can be stopped immediately, others need a slow decrease (it's all chemistry, folks).
Some people here are still using the word "happy". Effexor does not make me happy. Sometimes my rabbit, special friends, family or Beethoven make me happy. Mostly I am glad to be content with my life, and I feel secure that my meds will keep me at the very least from killing myself.
When I am depressed I am not my self. I recall each time, first with Prozac, then with Effexor, coming back to myself (like a fog dissipating from around my soul). I may have still been a somewhat depressed self, but so much more of "me" than without the drugs. Happiness or joy is a grace and not being severely depressed allows me to "feel" happy or joyful when circumstances allow.
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Better living through chemistry
We have definitely come a long way with psych meds...the 1990s will go down as the decade of the brain. There are so many more options now without the extrapyramidal effects. Hopefully we will continue along these trends of reducing side effects. The seratonin uptake inhibitors have done for depression what lithium salt has done for bipolars. Unfortuanately we still have a long way to go and there is no one miracle drug for everyone. Hopefully we will continue to reduce side effects as we learn more.
Im not going to go into American politics tonight. But I would like to say one thing regarding the British comments. England conveniently forgets it's Cromwells and Black and Tans when they speak of Ireland. They believe that it is easy to wash their hands of the millions of Irish that were slaughtered, starved, and oppressed for centuries. They try and forget the fact that until 1916 there was no free Ireland and until 1960 there was no republic. My granfather and his father before did his part in Michael Collin's war..their great sadness was that the North was left split and their Ireland unfree. I will not apologize for drinking with my friends there. I am not a fan of the current IRA and their methods...but would appreciate it when you talk of litter bin bombs that you should also mention the attrocities of the Ulster Volunteers too. The Orange lot is guilty of church burnings, drug smuggling, weapons trading and murder.
As far as the British military is concerned, the few lads I do know that were stationed there, do not want to be stationed there and don't relish the experience or see much point in being there.
Now I do see hope in the North now for the first time in a long time. I give Tony Blair much of the credit for sticking too his word and removing troops in exchange for weapons being put down. I hope and pray that both sides learn to cooperate and self govern themselves..or the next generation is doomed to listen to the same broken record their parents listened too.
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We have definitely come a long way with psych meds...the 1990s will go down as the decade of the brain. There are so many more options now without the extrapyramidal effects. Hopefully we will continue along these trends of reducing side effects. The seratonin uptake inhibitors have done for depression what lithium salt has done for bipolars. Unfortuanately we still have a long way to go and there is no one miracle drug for everyone. Hopefully we will continue to reduce side effects as we learn more.
Im not going to go into American politics tonight. But I would like to say one thing regarding the British comments. England conveniently forgets it's Cromwells and Black and Tans when they speak of Ireland. They believe that it is easy to wash their hands of the millions of Irish that were slaughtered, starved, and oppressed for centuries. They try and forget the fact that until 1916 there was no free Ireland and until 1960 there was no republic. My granfather and his father before did his part in Michael Collin's war..their great sadness was that the North was left split and their Ireland unfree. I will not apologize for drinking with my friends there. I am not a fan of the current IRA and their methods...but would appreciate it when you talk of litter bin bombs that you should also mention the attrocities of the Ulster Volunteers too. The Orange lot is guilty of church burnings, drug smuggling, weapons trading and murder.
As far as the British military is concerned, the few lads I do know that were stationed there, do not want to be stationed there and don't relish the experience or see much point in being there.
Now I do see hope in the North now for the first time in a long time. I give Tony Blair much of the credit for sticking too his word and removing troops in exchange for weapons being put down. I hope and pray that both sides learn to cooperate and self govern themselves..or the next generation is doomed to listen to the same broken record their parents listened too.
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on American politics this evening. We bury Ronnie tomorrow. I remember Clinton's brain being elsewhere though..and Hillary kept a locked zipper on it.
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on American politics this evening. We bury Ronnie tomorrow. I remember Clinton's brain being elsewhere though..and Hillary kept a locked zipper on it.
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The new docs emerging make Bush indeed awesome. It seems that the "Commander in Chief" gets to {order} torture {of} whomever is considered a threat, and it's outside any law.
The lawyers working for Bush proposed this 'doctrine.'
Sort of a 007 thing, I guess.
The lawyers working for Bush proposed this 'doctrine.'
Sort of a 007 thing, I guess.
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What do you propose we do with foreing militants that do not agree to the Geneva code?
It is evident in the court martials scheduled that those military personnel that abused those prisoners are being held accountable for their actions.
What do you propose we do with foreing militants that do not agree to the Geneva code?
It is evident in the court martials scheduled that those military personnel that abused those prisoners are being held accountable for their actions.
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Oh, I know! Let's not agree with the Geneva Convention either. They're not the boss of me.
I would propose capturing them and taking them to the ICC. Oh wait. You can't do that. The US Congress has made it illegal to cooperate in any way with ICC.Blarneystoned said:
Oh, I know! Let's not agree with the Geneva Convention either. They're not the boss of me.
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If the ICC wants them ..
I am sure we will give them to them eventually. Historically Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S. The red cross tried to go into Iraq earlier and got blown up. I think the US asked the UN for help before we started this. Slowly things are changing.
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I am sure we will give them to them eventually. Historically Europe has violated the convention more than the U.S. The red cross tried to go into Iraq earlier and got blown up. I think the US asked the UN for help before we started this. Slowly things are changing.
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Well...one option would be to observe it anyway, and prove that we are what we thought we were, until recently: better than they are.
You really should read a newspaper. They can't all be left-wing.
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Well...one option would be to observe it anyway, and prove that we are what we thought we were, until recently: better than they are.
What's evident to those who remember the administration's many irresponsible statements regarding prisoner treatment at Guantanamo, is that there are six scapegoats for a policy that slithered down from the top; that the abuse of prisoners has been reported by the Red Cross in Afghanistan and in other prisons in Iraq; that a detailed report on this particular prison was ignored by the Pentagon and was available to the White House months before the president and Mr. Rumsfeld announced that they were "shocked" by photographs that showed only what had already been reported to them; and that the parent of one of the accused MPs spent weeks before he went to the press, attempting to get someone at the Pentagon or in Congress to investigate his son's claim that he had been arrested for something he was ordered to do.
You really should read a newspaper. They can't all be left-wing.
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