Is it time also to vote on new moderators?

Is it time also to vote on new moderators?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 27.1%
  • No

    Votes: 35 72.9%

  • Total voters
    48
That is not the worst idea, actually. I don't think it HAS to be implemented, tout de suite, but I can see an upside to it for whoever is doing it.

*Nods* I don't know how it would work here, but it's definitely gotten rid of a lot of the crap that goes on over on the horse forum. And now those nutjobs can't threaten to kill the mods anymore, since they don't know who they are. ;)
 
I voted yes.

And not because of my personal opinions about the mods either way, or because I think we should have a "nice police."

Nobody on this board is going to say I'm nice. If I had to be "nice" to some of the dipshits on this board, I'd probably shoot myself. If I don't like you, I try to stay away from you, unless you post something truly stupid and/or offensive. I think the point about being "nice" was more a matter of "the reason people don't post contrary opinions sometimes is that a small, though extremely loud, minority don't know that there's a difference between 'debating' and 'arguing'" more than a matter of "let's make everyone be nice all the time." Hell, I love debates, but sometimes even I'd rather keep my mouth shut than go in circles with the same old harpies over and over and over.

Anyway, the reason I voted yes is this. I post on a really large horse-oriented message board. It's heavily moderated, which has caused a lot of problems. I lurk more than I post there, and when I do post, it's usually not anything of substance because that heavy-handed moderation is usually not very even-handed in its heavy-handedness.

The "main" mod on that board posted under her real name (yes, not the smartest move for her to make, obviously). She had links in her profile to her MySpace page and her personal website. The horse show world is a small one in many ways, and it didn't take a lot of people long to figure out exactly who she was. She wasn't my favorite person in the world, but I mostly just ignored her. However, she pissed a lot of people off with her favoritism, and they went off the deep end. They would call her bosses at work just to talk shit about her. They'd call her at work and at home to yell. I even think she got a few death threats. :eek: Can you imagine?

Anyway, a couple of weeks ago, she and the rest of the mods resigned because they were sick of the crap. The board was unmoderated for a day or two, and then a new, mysterious mod came out of the woodwork. This mod's name is "admin," and nobody knows who the hell "admin" is. It's pretty obvious that the person is a regular poster, but under the mod's name, the person doesn't contribute to the discussion. The old mod got in fights under her "real" name and just obviously played favorites. "Admin" does not.

Anyway, in the last two weeks, this board has gone from a place where people intentionally post threads to provoke others into turning it into a trainwreck to a place where folks generally get along. I'm not saying the change in moderators had anything to do with it, but you don't see these thinly-veiled "let's see if we can pick fights and drag the mods in" threads.

I think the difference is not the new moderator, but the fact that he/she is an anonymous mod. Said mod is obviously a regular poster, but never gives any indication of favoritism with his/her posts in the "admin" name. If he/she has something to say that would "side" with one poster or group against another, he/she uses his/her "real" name. I think that cuts out a lot of problems, actually.

So, anyway, I made this long-ass post to say I voted yes because I think we should have anonymous mods. It might help keep the bullshit to a minimum.


:rose:I can see what you're saying, and for that matter it could actually still be Marquis and I without people knowing it was the same mods only disguised. But whether it were us or someone else who was anonymous, I would not be in favour of it as it reminds me too much of a secret police type mentality whereby you never know to whom you are actually speaking, nor if your words to another in private might be passed on in a modified and/or translated version to the anon mod and in a way you never uttered them(or even be spoken directly and unknowingly to the mod).

I prefer transparency and being able to own words and actions posted on the forum as opposed to hiding behind a disguise and calling it fair. If posters have to own their public words and actions, why shouldn't mods who basically are only here to move SPAM and threads to their correct location (despite some believing we delete and edit posts and threads...we don't and would not be mods for long if we did) also have to own their forum actions and words. I don't actually see a reason for it here because of the strong ethic of free speech upheld and promoted by the site itself. I'm just not one who likes secrecy like this as it always hints at sneekiness and dishonesty to me and in a forum of mature adults I don't think it should be necessary to play cloak and dagger games with forum matters. Personally, I would have left the forum you spoke of if they could not respect another's right to privacy in their home and worklife as they are not only immature, but also the sort of people I could not trust and would not want to be associated with.

Catalina:catroar:
 
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:rose:I can see what you're saying, and for that matter it could actually still be Marquis and I without people knowing it was the same mods only disguised. But whether it were us or someone else who was anonymous, I would not be in favour of it as it reminds me too much of a secret police type mentality whereby you never know to whom you are actually speaking, nor if your words to another in private might be passed on in a modified and/or translated version to the anon mod and in a way you never uttered them(or even be spoken directly and unknowingly to the mod).

I prefer transparency and being able to own words and actions posted on the forum as opposed to hiding behind a disguise and calling it fair. If posters have to own their public words and actions, why shouldn't mods who basically are only here to move SPAM and threads to their correct location (despite some believing we delete and edit posts and threads...we don't and would not be mods for long if we did) also have to own their forum actions and words. I don't actually see a reason for it here because of the strong ethic of free speech upheld and promoted by the site itself. I'm just not one who likes secrecy like this as it always hints at sneekiness and dishonesty to me and in a forum of mature adults I don't think it should be necessary to play cloak and dagger games with forum matters. Personally, I would have left the forum you spoke of if they could not respect another's right to privacy in their home and worklife as they are not only immature, but also the sort of people I could not trust and would not want to be associated with.

Catalina:catroar:

But, cat, with no more "duties" than a mod has here, I'd think all the mod name would ever have to post would be benign things like "I'm moving this thread to the Cafe" and "Got rid of the spammer, everybody." Not exactly Big Brother type stuff there. And whether mods are anonymous or not, there's no way for anyone to know who their PMs will be read by, what, with the handy-dandy "Forward" button and the ability to copy and paste. I mean, nobody's safe from any of that, mods or otherwise, and if you don't want your words read by just anyone, the safest bet is to never write them out.

And I'm not against free speech. Even so, no matter what I think, the boards are going to run the way the site owners want them to run because I'm not the one who's paying the bills. I admitted that I had no idea how something like that would work here, but I know without question that works much better on a forum that's much larger (and has far more annoying and crazy posters) than this one. The proof is in the pudding, in that case. It levels the playing field, so to speak, and if mods don't argue with other posters in their "mod" names, nobody can accuse them of favoritism or whatever.

I actually think it would make the mods' jobs easier (no accusations of something nefarious) if they had two different names. Their "regular" names are just another face in the crowd, while their "mod" names only say things like "Moving this thread to personals." If you want to argue, you'd do it in your "regular" name. But looking around some of the forums here, I do see that some mods like the sense of power they believe the position gives them and use every opportunity to lord it over the others (God knows why) and speak down to them. I suppose people like that wouldn't like the change at all.

I figured the suggestion would get shot down, but I know for a fact that I've seen it work. Like I said, the forum I talked about is a bigger one with way more alts, trolls, and general bullshit than this one. The crap factor has been reduced by probably 75% since the Great Mod Switch. Maybe it's just correlation, but the results speak for themselves, IMO.
 
But, cat, with no more "duties" than a mod has here, I'd think all the mod name would ever have to post would be benign things like "I'm moving this thread to the Cafe" and "Got rid of the spammer, everybody."

Actually we don't bother announcing it on the forum when something is moved, we just do it.

Not exactly Big Brother type stuff there. And whether mods are anonymous or not, there's no way for anyone to know who their PMs will be read by, what, with the handy-dandy "Forward" button and the ability to copy and paste. I mean, nobody's safe from any of that, mods or otherwise, and if you don't want your words read by just anyone, the safest bet is to never write them out.

That might be so, (though I don't watch BB so can't comment on that) but actually it is against Lit rules to forward or publish a PM or personal information from or about another, and can see someone doing it as expelled from the site and their IP number registered so they cannot relist as someone else. Just thought it might be worth noting for those who didn't realise.

And I'm not against free speech. Even so, no matter what I think, the boards are going to run the way the site owners want them to run because I'm not the one who's paying the bills. I admitted that I had no idea how something like that would work here, but I know without question that works much better on a forum that's much larger (and has much more annoying and crazy posters) than this one. The proof is in the pudding, in that case. It levels the playing field, so to speak, and if mods don't argue with other posters in their "mod" names, nobody can accuse them of favoritism or whatever.

I actually see it in a round about way as going against free speech as it is giving special licence to a minority to hide behind an anonymous tag. Believe me, those here who like to stir shit would have a field day with that alone and there would be nothing stopping them harrassing a mod under their 'anon mod' username....in that case what would be the point? Some people don't need a concrete reason to annoy, they just do it as second nature and being the one or 2 anonymous members of a board would surely be enough to upset some.

I actually think it would make the mods' jobs easier (no accusations of something nefarious) if they had two different names. Their "regular" names are just another face in the crowd, while their "mod" names only say things like "Moving this thread to personals." If you want to argue, you'd do it in your "regular" name. But looking around some of the forums here, I do see that some mods like the sense of power they believe the position gives them and use every opportunity to lord it over the others (God knows why) and speak down to them. I suppose people like that wouldn't like the change at all.

LOL, don't know who feels it gives them a sense of power, but then I only live on this forum. I'm not sure either that people 'argue' as much as they are accused of arguing, more so they might not agree with you or me on a point and some see that as arguing because they do not like others not agreeing with them. People are able to have a difference of opinion and own it without having to be accused of or guilty of arguing. Personally as a mod I see it as a lot more work as firstly I have to log on under 2 names everytime I come online, if it even possible...then I have to keep checking which username I am posting under. Life for me is more simple if I am simply me, and I certainly don't feel the need for protection under an anonymous title.

I figured the suggestion would get shot down, but I know for a fact that I've seen it work. Like I said, the forum I talked about is a bigger one with way more alts, trolls, and general bullshit than this one. The crap factor has been reduced by probably 75% since the Great Mod Switch. Maybe it's just correlation, but the results speak for themselves, IMO.

See this is where I get a bit touchy. I did not shoot your suggestion down, I pointed out why I as a moderator or even simply a supposedly powerless poster, would not like it and why I did not believe it necessary or workable. There is a huge difference, but you see it as a personal slight when someone does not wholeheartedly applaud your POV and then also admit you posted it expecting to be shot down..so what were you trying to do exactly? Create shit here?

On the note of you saying you have seen it work on another forum...not only is it another forum (sort of like the 'everyone is different' reminder), didn't you say it was only 2 weeks so far...not long in the life of a forum to decide something is bullet proof and better. As to the size of the forum, so it is bigger, doesn't make it better and my thoughts were and remain, if people from that forum are going to as you said contact a moderator at home to harrass them and contact their workplace to spread shit about them based on their knowledge of them on a forum, they are as I said not only immature, but the type people I would not be associating with and would distance myself from ASAP. Personally if I had been the moderator/s, I would have contacted the police about having them charged as a stalker as that is a legitimate crime these days in terms of internet connections, and if they are willing to go to those lengths they are not exactly fine upstanding citizens so no telling what they would be willing to do next. It also says a lot about the site owners in that the moderators had to resign as opposed to the site who was willing to accept their free labour as volunteer mods stepping in to handle the situation and protect the mods. Great site I think not personally.

Catalina:catroar:
 
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It was just a suggestion. I give up! I knew somebody would have a 1,000 reasons why it would not work, but it was just my opinion.

And the Big Brother reference wasn't to the TV show but the book, 1984. I don't watch the TV show either.
 
The forum I used to frequent before I came here had anonymous mods. I hated it and it caused all sorts of problems. Threads would be deleted, responses erased or edited and no one would know why. Emails to the owner would sometimes just go to a moderator or sometimes to the owner. One would never know and sometimes not get a response. If we knew who the mods were I would probably still be on that forum along with here.

I like knowing who the mods are and I like that they are active participants on the board. On many forums they aren't.
 
2) Whether or not you agree with my first point, it seems to me that Etoile has made it very clear twice already that the process to change mods is dealt with at the admin level. Why are we still discussing it here???
Thanks DB...it's nice to know that somebody is listening...I think you're about the second person to notice what I've said.
 
Thanks DB...it's nice to know that somebody is listening...I think you're about the second person to notice what I've said.
Professional defect: I've sat on so many committees where that kind of discussions would go on and on and on and on... I soon as I hear someone say "folks, that decision is out of our hand", my instant reaction is "thank god! now lets move on, I'm hungry"!
 
I don't know about Canada, but if you are both girls a brief kiss on each cheek.

I'm fine with that sort of handshake. It has a certain appeal to it.

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She's a little bit of a bitch when it comes to aesthetic suggestions, but I can try.

I have faith in you.


My cunt, imaginary friend and I are all fluent in english. I'm the one with the strongest accent.

You are ruining my increasingly surreal francophonic vanigolingual fantasies.
 
I think Marquis and Catalina are doing a really good job and I don't see any reason to mess with something that works so well.

Disclaimer: I have read only the first two or three posts of this thread, so if there is bickering going on, I am not a part of it. :rose:
 
She is a Mod, not God. She doesn't have to behave as a Saint. She is not just a moderator, she is a member with opinions just as every other member here. It's within her right to share opinions without having her service as mod questions when other's do not like or do not agree with her opinion.

*claps*

I voted no.

It's very hard to remember that sometimes people have to behave as though they were two different personalities. And for Cat, there are three, since her account also represents her Dominant.

It's hard to read things coming from one ScreenName as being a moderator vs a forum participant.

I wonder if it would calm some people's irritations if the moderators had been anonymous from the start, or with alternate names so that you couldn't confuse them with participants on the forum. Or would that have made everyone extremely paranoid?
 
NoooOOOOoooOOOOooooooooooOOOOOooo!!!!

*runs around tearing hair out, blithering like an idiot*
 
NoooOOOOoooOOOOooooooooooOOOOOooo!!!!

*runs around tearing hair out, blithering like an idiot*

Dang. *pulls up chair* Anyone want some popcorn while Etoile loses it? This is better than reality television. :p
 
*stamps around in a three-foot-wide circle, steam blowing out her ears*

AiiiIIIiiieeeeiIIeieiieieiieieiiieeEEEEEEIIIIIeeeeee!!!

*collapses on floor, sobbing*
 
*stamps around in a three-foot-wide circle, steam blowing out her ears*

AiiiIIIiiieeeeiIIeieiieieiieieiiieeEEEEEEIIIIIeeeeee!!!

*collapses on floor, sobbing*

*hands Etoile a clean tissue.*

iou .. and sometimes Y?
 
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