Lab Rats.

[Rebel5soul]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

 

[Bn2f]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

STFZU

 

[ll74]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

Many beauracracy experts actually were developed within their fields, rather than grown in a collegic elitist lab. And while, yes, some were not and were part of a corrupted assignment, to claim that this is a majority is laughable on its face. We should be finding those cases and removing those people and replacing them with actual experts.

The answer should not be a wrecking ball, as all that does is remove valuable people and replace them with yes men who don't have any understanding of the roles they are being put in. That's the opposite of efficiency. And it will cost more to try and bring them up to speed all at the deficiency of governing

 

[Lance_Castro]

You think Americans are rats? Join the club.

Lol

Or…You could just as easily argue that a well-regulated, hardworking and honorable civil service has been the reason behind the USA being the most successfully governed country in the history of the world.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Many beauracracy experts actually were developed within their fields, rather than grown in a collegic elitist lab. And while, yes, some were not and were part of a corrupted assignment, to claim that this is a majority is laughable on its face. We should be finding those cases and removing those people and replacing them with actual experts.

The answer should not be a wrecking ball, as all that does is remove valuable people and replace them with yes men who don't have any understanding of the roles they are being put in. That's the opposite of efficiency. And it will cost more to try and bring them up to speed all at the deficiency of governing

That's a matter of opinion. The bureaucracy has become like that nasty closet/basement/garage every one has that has become filled up with useless clutter. There is no 'dainty' way of going about cleaning it out.

 

[Rebel5soul]

You think Americans are rats? Join the club.

Lol

Or…You could just as easily argue that a well-regulated, hardworking and honorable civil service has been the reason behind the USA being the most successfully governed country in the history of the world.

And there are many that would agree with you.

And I think you Canadians are rats too. Just living in a different laboratory.

 

[Bn2f]

That's a matter of opinion. The bureaucracy has become like that nasty closet/basement/garage every one has that has become filled up with useless clutter. There is no 'dainty' way of going about cleaning it out.

You thinking all that shit you posted is a fact but everyone else has a matter of opinion.

 

[ll74]

That's a matter of opinion. The bureaucracy has become like that nasty closet/basement/garage every one has that has become filled up with useless clutter. There is no 'dainty' way of going about cleaning it out.

No, it's a matter of statistics. Blanketly stating that the beaurocracy is all bad or all good is ignorant of the nature of human beings.

Fishing with dynamite is a lazy and inefficient way to fish.

 

[Lance_Castro]

And there are many that would agree with you.

And I think you Canadians are rats too. Just living in a different laboratory.

My point is that your kind of talk reflects on how you feel about your life.

Your disaffection or Delux’s doesnt define the USA. It defines your feelings.

I see North America as the most successful continent with the highest standard of living and a two centuries plus record of peace and prosperity.

And the record supports that.

 

[Bn2f]

My point is that your kind of talk reflects on how you feel about your life.

Your disaffection or Delux’s doesnt define the USA. It defines your feelings.

I see North America as the most successful continent with the highest standard of living and a two centuries plus record of peace and prosperity.

And the record supports that.

 

[Bn2f]

My point is that your kind of talk reflects on how you feel about your life.

Your disaffection or Delux’s doesnt define the USA. It defines your feelings.

I see North America as the most successful continent with the highest standard of living and a two centuries plus record of peace and prosperity.

And the record supports that.

Ok I’m convinced this is a shared account.

 

[Bn2f]

And there are many that would agree with you.

And I think you Canadians are rats too. Just living in a different laboratory.

I did not expect to see drama this early in the morning but here we are.
I can think of no better way to put your money where your mouth is, to show you are no rat in a lab than to answer your beliefs to a member from your own side. Both I and ll74 can attest to that.

The ball is in your court rebel, er, rat.

 

[Lance_Castro]

Corporations re-org, right-size, trim the branches, etc all the time… government should too, to keep the cost of “social overhead” reasonable.

 

[Bn2f]

And there are many that would agree with you.

Hahaha! Typical, you POS.
When I told you to shutdafukup in my first post it was not to stifle your speech but to save you from further embarrassment.

 

[Rebel5soul]

My point is that your kind of talk reflects on how you feel about your life.

Your disaffection or Delux’s doesnt define the USA. It defines your feelings.

I see North America as the most successful continent with the highest standard of living and a two centuries plus record of peace and prosperity.

And the record supports that.

Taking this point first. Of course I take a cynical attitude. I've found that I've never been terribly surprised when things turn to shit and there are the occasions when I've been pleasantly surprised.

Taking one of your other points. I counter that we have prospered as a nation IN SPITE of a host of 'professional bureaucrats.' Governments are necessary evils. They are net drains on the economy. But the fact remains that we need government. The eternal question has always been, "exactly how much government do you need?"

 

[Lance_Castro]

Taking this point first. Of course I take a cynical attitude. I've found that I've never been terribly surprised when things turn to shit and there are the occasions when I've been pleasantly surprised.

Taking one of your other points. I counter that we have prospered as a nation IN SPITE of a host of 'professional bureaucrats.' Governments are necessary evils. They are net drains on the economy. But the fact remains that we need government. The eternal question has always been, "exactly how much government do you need?"

Classic glass half empty/full.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Classic glass half empty/full.

There ya go. But that eternal question is still left dangling out there.

 

[Lance_Castro]

There ya go. But that eternal question is still left dangling out there.

dangling? That’s what she said.

I didn’t even know there was an Eternal Question.

Ignorance is bliss?

 

[Rebel5soul]

"How much government do you really need?"

 

[Lazaran]

There ya go. But that eternal question is still left dangling out there.

The government / authorities that preside over THREE HUNDRED THIRTY MILLION PLUS CITIZENS (rats?), and is tasked with writing / enforcing laws for MILLIONS OF TECHNOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL INNOVATIONS (that the private sector, left to their own devices, proved incapable of / unwilling to self manage safely / peacefully / responsibly) "surprisingly" needed / needs to be bigger than "some people" may like. (bigger than when the country was founded).

“some people” should learn to deal with it.

Side note:

It can EASILY be argued that DEREGULATION / GUTTING of federal oversight ("smaller government") has contributed to / resulted in the current disheveled state of affairs in the United States.

See also: The destructive effects of unregulated DOGE activities, etc.





Hope that ^ helps.





Also:

We. Told. You. So.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

"How much government do you really need?"

Depends upon the type of Government, now doesn't it. If it's just a Tyrannical Dictatorship then there only needs to be the Tyrant and the enforcers, a very small government to say the least.

If you want to live in a first class best of standard of living Government, it requires so much more. A legal system, a Law enforcement system, a Tax collection system, an Education system, a Health system, a Social Delivery system....it goes on and on and on.

We all know you want the first system, because it's the cheapest,and you'd never be one of those downtrodden people. amirite?

 

[Bn2f]

"How much government do you really need?"

 

[MajorRewrite]

AceRebelWat makes things up, and becomes upset by the things he made up.

MAGA sheep are weird.

 

[ll74]

I'm really sick of the generalizations and binary thought.

We have beaurocrats that have earned their positions through hard work and honesty. We have those who have gotten their jobs through corruptive means. It requires a scaple not TNT

 

[Lazaran]

AceRebelWat makes things up, and becomes upset by the things he made up.

MAGA sheep are weird.

So “Rebel” is the standard comments alt, and “Wat” is the meme alt??? (and “Ace” is the retired alt???)