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Politruk

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It is a network of government agencies and private corporations that persists from election to election, and which exists only to police the boundaries of the Overton Window and to preserve the "Washington Consensus" -- neoliberalism in economics, neoconservatism in foreign policy -- anything outside that range is frozen out of serious discussion. See The Deep State by long-time DC veteran Mike Lofgren. See also here.

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Donald Trump, under the influence of Steve Bannon[8] and Vladimir Putin,[9][10] believes that a deep state was trying to undermine his presidency. Although he was impeached twice by the House of Representatives, the idea that the deep state was on the brink of stripping him of his powers was ridiculous since he was acquitted twice. Absent any meaningful punishment for his involvement in the Ukraine scandal and the 2021 U.S. Capitol riot, his claim is that the impeachment proceedings themselves constituted interference by the deep state, which would be a poor show for a supposedly all-powerful conspiracy. Trump went so far as to hire Joe diGenova, a deep state conspiracy theorist, as one of his lawyers.[8] Deep state as used by Trump supporters is basically a code phrase for government employees who have sworn allegiance to the US Constitution as part of the terms of their employment, but peculiarly won't swear a "higher" allegiance to Trump personally.[11]

In reality, all that happened was that several government officials leaked information to the press to hold Trump publicly accountable. The truth is usually pretty boring.[6] As Michael Crowley has pointed out, there are always plenty of people in government seeking to hold on to or extend their power and take advantage of a weak or inexperienced president. Still, they are not organized into any grand conspiracy, not (generally) breaking the law, and not killing people for speaking out.[12]

The term is sometimes associated with other older concepts of secret and powerful forces in society, such as US President Dwight Eisenhower's warnings about a military-industrial complex gaining "unwarranted influence" over the government.[13] Before being used on the right in the Trump era, more left-wing and anti-authoritarian people like Edward Snowden were claiming that the U.S. civil service acts as a deep state,[14] or that George W. Bush was just a puppet for a cabal of shadowy figures led by Dick Cheney.[12] The more paranoid deep state theories are distinct from Eisenhower's vision in describing a unified deep state which does not merely seek influence over government, but already controls it all.

Sean Hannity insinuated that there was a deep state within Fox News because of an internal Fox News document that criticized him and also regarded Media Matters for America as a factual source of information.[15]
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Niall Stanage has described how critics of Trump's use of the term deep state maintain that it is a conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.[48]

UCLA School of Law professor Jon D. Michaels argued that compared with developing governments such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Turkey, governmental power structures in the United States are "almost entirely transparent".[49][50][51] Michaels argues that the American 'deep state', which is really the 'American bureaucracy', includes federal agencies responsible for regulation, welfare, crime prevention, and defense, and the employees who operate them, fundamentally differs from Trump's use of the term in five important respects:[51]

  • Not Elitist – In the US, bureaucrats come from a diverse range of socio-economic backgrounds, especially when compared to those in the Middle East, and even Western Europe.
  • Not Shadowy – American agencies are generally "transparent and accessible", in comparison to those of the Middle East, Asia, and Europe.
  • Not Monolithic – the American deep state is "internally diverse and fragmented."
  • A Bulwark, Not a Battering Ram – actions of civil servants in the US are inherently defensive, not proactive.
  • Not an Extraconstitutional Force – the bureaucracy should be seen as part of the constitutional system of checks and balances in the US, which often serves as a final check on presidential or agency overreach.
Critics warned that use of the term in the United States could undermine public confidence in institutions and be used to justify suppression of dissent.[27][52]

Political commentator and former presidential adviser David Gergen said that the term had been appropriated by Steve Bannon, Breitbart News, and other supporters of the Trump administration in order to delegitimize the critics of the Trump presidency.[32]

Stephen Walt, professor of international relations at Harvard University, argued that there is no deep state and that "to the extent that there is a bipartisan foreign-policy elite, it is hiding in plain sight".[53]

Anthropologist C. August Elliott likened military involvement in the Trump administration as a "shallow state" in which they were forced to guide the administration "away from a potential shipwreck".[54]

Linguist Geoffrey Nunberg said that deep state is an "elastic label" in that "its story conforms to the intricate grammar of those conspiracy narratives", referencing the transition of conservative rhetoric regarding "big government" from "meddlesome bunglers" to "conniving ideologues".[55]

Fox News panelist Charles Krauthammer called the idea ridiculous, arguing that the United States government is controlled by a bureaucracy, rather than a government-wide conspiracy.[56]
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Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State​

February 21, 2014
by Mike Lofgren
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There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]
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Yes, there is another government concealed behind the one that is visible at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue, a hybrid entity of public and private institutions ruling the country according to consistent patterns in season and out, connected to, but only intermittently controlled by, the visible state whose leaders we choose. My analysis of this phenomenon is not an exposé of a secret, conspiratorial cabal; the state within a state is hiding mostly in plain sight, and its operators mainly act in the light of day. Nor can this other government be accurately termed an “establishment.” All complex societies have an establishment, a social network committed to its own enrichment and perpetuation. In terms of its scope, financial resources and sheer global reach, the American hybrid state, the Deep State, is in a class by itself. That said, it is neither omniscient nor invincible. The institution is not so much sinister (although it has highly sinister aspects) as it is relentlessly well entrenched. Far from being invincible, its failures, such as those in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, are routine enough that it is only the Deep State’s protectiveness towards its higher-ranking personnel that allows them to escape the consequences of their frequent ineptitude. [2]
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And certainly there is no anti-Trump Deep State capable of rigging elections.

The defining feature of the real Deep State is that it is unaffected by elections. There is no way to vote against it. It remains in power no matter who is elected.
 
I wanted to replace the windows in my house, so I bought Overtons.


I won't make that mistake twice.
 
Politruk said:
It is a network of government agencies and private corporations that persists from election to election, and which exists only to police the boundaries of the Overton Window and to preserve the "Washington Consensus" -- neoliberalism in economics, neoconservatism in foreign policy -- anything outside that range is frozen out of serious discussion. See The Deep State by long-time DC veteran Mike Lofgren. See also here.

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Please at least get your facts correct. Harris Biden failed you have to get over it.
 
If the Deep State Trump imagines existed, it would not have allowed him to win this year's election.

But that's not going to stop him from crying "Deep State!" every time he encounters any opposition or resistance in Washington.
 
Politruk said:
It is a network of government agencies and private corporations that persists from election to election, and which exists only to police the boundaries of the Overton Window and to preserve the "Washington Consensus" -- neoliberalism in economics
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What universe do you live in where we have neoliberal economics??

We SWAT team kids for lemonade stands and farmers for feeding homeless people...... there is little to no economic liberalism in the USA.

DO you have any idea what neoliberal economics are??
 
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Politruk said:
If the Deep State Trump imagines existed, it would not have allowed him to win this year's election.

But that's not going to stop him from crying "Deep State!" every time he encounters any opposition or resistance in Washington.
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Any one working at EPA is a member of the deep state, no matter how you phrase it. Most of DC is run by the bureaucrats who by definition are the glaring example of DEEP STATE. They regulate the water flow in your bathroom and your cooking in the kitchen. Wake up you are surrounded by them and they effect every little nit of your life. If you dont believe that, your blind as a bat.
 
Politruk said:
The one where Earth has a blue sky and neoliberalism has prevailed since 1980 and you won't stop lying about it.
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That's not Earth or anywhere with any blue sky buddy.

A largely centrally planned and controlled economy is NOT neoliberalism. :D (y) (y)
 
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