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How do you know what happens in the home they share with their husbands? Mental abuse is as dangerous as physical. I am not a advocate of stepping out, just for fun, in a committed relationship, however, if there is cause committed by her SO, why is it wrong to seek her mental, physical, needs and protection?
It is wrong because if it is that bad, then she should be seeking out professional help to help her untangle herself from a potentially abusive relationshiop. If the husband is emotionally abusive or physically abusive, then either she get counselling to help her figure out how to be strong enough to leave, or if she thinks there is still hope, to get him to get help. Having an affair with another guy doesn't change the abuse or make her safer.

If her husband is cheating on her, or they have no sex life, or he is a selfish ass that is wham bam thank you ma'am, and it is important to her, why stay married? Or why put up with it? It is one thing to understand why someone cheats, why someone goes outside the marriage and it isn't always simple, like a guy with kids who stays in the relationship with a wife who is not warm or anything, who realizes that if they get divorced it would cause havoc he can't face, and he cheats to try to survive, is a lot more understandable than a horndog who thinks he is god's gift to women (and btw, same thing with a wife with a shit husband). The problem is when you go outside, it means the primary relationship has little to hold you there other than comfort or economic necessity or whatever, and what do you really have?

It isn't black or white , just saying going outside, getting into a relationship with someone else, is not the same thing as having a loving married relationship, going outside doesn't solve anything. Yes, some of the person's needs are met, but if the person you are with is that good, then get divorced and marry the other person.

What makes this tricky is something I read in a pretty good book about couples dynamics, that with many issues of intimacy in a relationship it is a two way street, that usually it is both people have something that is hindering it (and when I say intimacy, I don't mean just sex). He gave a great example, where a wife was upset that her husband never stood up to his family, defended her, said he was weak. The therapist pointed out that she wanted him to toughen up and stand up to his family, but what she was doing was complaining about him not doing it, instead of helping to build him up, help him get strong, so he can. In the case involved he said the wife thought she had no responsibility, when in a couple it has to be from both. Or the wife married to a man who she complains is emotionally distant sexually, that he is off in his own world, not interacting with her, but the therapist points out that by her own admission, the wife has trouble with being touched in sex or expressing her pleasure. The author claims rarely is it one of the people who are having trouble. In the context of this discussion, going outside doesn't solve the fundamental problem, and that likely the outside relationship is no more intimate than the marital one, that the wife sees it as such because the sex for whatever reasons is good, but the reality is it is just sex even if she thinks it is more.
 
Eventually they do. It is that simple. Ending a relationship still needs emotional support.

I would hate to live in a world where life is lived by the rules of what others think. It is odd anyone on lit should talk morals and judge others.

Have a wonderful day. 😊
Does being on Literotica mean that the person no longer has morals or ethics? I understand what you are saying, that people spouting the party line taught by religious morality or ethics, what is imposed on them, is weird given they are on a site where the same religious goop would consider them a sinner, deviant, etc. But people can have their own moral compass, too, as well as ethics, and state why they feel someone's actions are wrong. In the case of a spouse cheating, there is real harm to the relationship and each other, it can mean the relationship becomes even more morally distant than it was. Saying "a wife's body belongs to her husband" in a story about swinging or hotwifeing is a bit weird, given that is consensual, part of the relationship. But someone can look at someone cheating and point out that it is non consensual and they feel like it is destroying what is left of the marriage and it isn't hypocritical because they aren't blindly citing "thou shalt not commit adultery" from the bible.

And all ethics and morality have limits to them, where things become gray, and I at least personally try to see what is going on and why and try not to judge the people unless there is deliberate cruelty involved. I can argue that ethically having an emotional relationship with someone outside a spouse is a minefield and unfair to both people in the marriage, but again unless it is done cruelly, I try not to judge. Morality to me is about harm, about harming someone else or yourself, and IRL I would point out the harm that is causing and why I think it is not a great way to go, or encourage the person to either get help to fix things or get help to get out of it. my own life story is full of things that many people would judge thanks to crap they are taught by religion and/or society, so I know where you are coming from, but that doesn't mean that morality and ethics don't exist inside a person that are their own:)
 
Hrrrmmm. I’ve always found the idea of expecting your partner to be everything to you emotionally to be concerning. That’s typically the beginning of controlling someone.

But I think it’s generally taken to be girl talk to talk about your romantic issues or questions, whereas talking to a person of the opposite gender could be taken for making a pass at them. By both them and your partner.

There are exceptions. I did get practically interviewed by my ex’s bff who was dating a neurodiverse person and wanted another ND perspective on how to interpret his actions and how to care for him. I’ve talked to partner’s girlfriends about health and fitness topics. Gift ideas.

Meanwhile if a man hasn’t talked to his girlfriend’s friends about what sort of ring to get her, gonna be problems
 
If you have mentioned that your rules apply to husbands equally, I apologize. But IRL it may be hard to take a problem to the person who is at least part of the problem.

I may have it wrong, but the way you write about it makes me feel that women are not allowed to talk to other people about problems, but must go to their husband.

Like, if a woman is being physically abused by her husband, then she should discuss this with her husband, and not a friend, to avoid being deceitful.
Guess its easier to lie and cheat. Also seems to gain more sympathy to cheat than address issues with the person you have an issue with. Hell with it. What am I waiting for?

Also getting your side guy/gal and having your thrills and still (typically) your financial security...just gotta lie a bit, to cheat and have it all. And if it burns down, you can still demonize the husband, and get half of everything. Sweet deal.

Heard a counselor say after wife cheats " the husband needs to figure out how to make her feel safe in the relationship and earn her trust back" AFTER SHE CHEATED. How about...NO. The shits backwards. But if you are benefiting from others pain, I guess my assessment remains unchanged. Counselors are also vultures most (90%) of the time.

I knew one counselor started banging the client (married woman). Then is wife died suddenly and he lost his mind. Literally. They had a 7 year old son.

Selfish is selfish. Dont commit to something you dont want to work on or maintain.

If it werent for low standards, there be no standards.

I do understand their are low life's that beat or abuse their wives. I have also dealt with thise dirt bags long ago ina previous line of work. But by goodness if he ain't beating you or otherwise abusing, just be an adult. I guess it was too much to ask or even post. Ill get swamped with all the saints here who advocate for the actual villain.

Guess im out dated. So be it.
 
Guess its easier to lie and cheat. Also seems to gain more sympathy to cheat than address issues with the person you have an issue with. Hell with it. What am I waiting for?

Also getting your side guy/gal and having your thrills and still (typically) your financial security...just gotta lie a bit, to cheat and have it all. And if it burns down, you can still demonize the husband, and get half of everything. Sweet deal.

Heard a counselor say after wife cheats " the husband needs to figure out how to make her feel safe in the relationship and earn her trust back" AFTER SHE CHEATED. How about...NO. The shits backwards. But if you are benefiting from others pain, I guess my assessment remains unchanged. Counselors are also vultures most (90%) of the time.

I knew one counselor started banging the client (married woman). Then is wife died suddenly and he lost his mind. Literally. They had a 7 year old son.

Selfish is selfish. Dont commit to something you dont want to work on or maintain.

If it werent for low standards, there be no standards.

I do understand their are low life's that beat or abuse their wives. I have also dealt with thise dirt bags long ago ina previous line of work. But by goodness if he ain't beating you or otherwise abusing, just be an adult. I guess it was too much to ask or even post. Ill get swamped with all the saints here who advocate for the actual villain.

Guess im out dated. So be it.
You seem to have personal skin in this game. I’m not trying to open old wounds. A lot of LW readers appear to be ones who feel aggrieved about something in their personal lives. That’s not always the best lens for propounding generalities.

I’ve had a shit load of things happen to me in life, but a cheating spouse isn’t one of them. I’d imagine that hurts a lot.
 
How do you know what happens in the home they share with their husbands?
The reverse is also true. You can’t be sure that a cold bedroom or abuse awaits the unfaithful partner at home. Perhaps the person simply couldn’t control their own desires, while the unfortunate spouse has no idea what fictional horrors the unfaithful partner is telling the third party about them to justify their own actions. This person has already told a lie at home by pretending to be a faithful spouse. Did the unfaithful partner try everything at home to find satisfaction without having to cheat?

Cases of physical and psychological abuse are, of course, a different matter, but infidelity won’t solve those either.
 
They seek women like me. Would it have been better for you if it were a wife doing the same thing? The ice of hypocrisy is very thin. You need to watch your next step.

I am no more of a vulture than the forgotten wives that seek attention elsewhere.

Just my observation of a non deserved critique of anyone on Lit, towards anyone else on Lit.

I am certain that I have absolute zero interest knowing anyone such as yourself.

Your judgment of anyone defines the box in which you wish to play. Save it for something you are an expert on, clearly you know nothing of me, nor any of my intentions.
Ah, but Jordyn, you forget that the deep tradition is that the woman you are kissing belongs to the man who put a ring on her finger (attached by an invisible chain to the one he keeps in his cufflink tray when he is catting around.) if he can 'bang a few broads on the side' it just proves him big strong man every woman want she lucky to have him. If she hooks up with a hottie it 'proves' that he is a no nuts pencil dick clueless how to keep woman.
 
Ah, but Jordyn, you forget that the deep tradition is that the woman you are kissing belongs to the man who put a ring on her finger (attached by an invisible chain to the one he keeps in his cufflink tray when he is catting around.) if he can 'bang a few broads on the side' it just proves him big strong man every woman want she lucky to have him. If she hooks up with a hottie it 'proves' that he is a no nuts pencil dick clueless how to keep woman.
It must really suck having your trad wife cheat on you. Imagine being cheated on by your chattels. The horror 😱
 
It must really suck having your trad wife cheat on you. Imagine being cheated on by your chattels. The horror 😱
Ah, who but your trad wife will cheat on you? Your 'equal partner wife' will say, "Let's open a bottle of Chateauneuf de Pape and discuss threesomes, open marriage, and 'sexual vacations." Your hippie wife will say, 'Ooh, let's go to the love-in, drop a tab and see what happens." Your Gen-z wife will say, "Hon, this week I'm feeling sort of femino-normative, so I thing Aileen or Jennifer should test pleasure devices with me. That will sort of balance me out from my feeling 'green' about your haptic-somatic experimentation with Angelo last week." Cheating is so old school.
 
Ah, who but your trad wife will cheat on you? Your 'equal partner wife' will say, "Let's open a bottle of Chateauneuf de Pape and discuss threesomes, open marriage, and 'sexual vacations." Your hippie wife will say, 'Ooh, let's go to the love-in, drop a tab and see what happens." Your Gen-z wife will say, "Hon, this week I'm feeling sort of femino-normative, so I thing Aileen or Jennifer should test pleasure devices with me. That will sort of balance me out from my feeling 'green' about your haptic-somatic experimentation with Angelo last week." Cheating is so old school.
What about Zennials? I feel so left out 😂
 
Guess its easier to lie and cheat. Also seems to gain more sympathy to cheat than address issues with the person you have an issue with. Hell with it. What am I waiting for?

Also getting your side guy/gal and having your thrills and still (typically) your financial security...just gotta lie a bit, to cheat and have it all. And if it burns down, you can still demonize the husband, and get half of everything. Sweet deal.

Heard a counselor say after wife cheats " the husband needs to figure out how to make her feel safe in the relationship and earn her trust back" AFTER SHE CHEATED. How about...NO. The shits backwards. But if you are benefiting from others pain, I guess my assessment remains unchanged. Counselors are also vultures most (90%) of the time.

I knew one counselor started banging the client (married woman). Then is wife died suddenly and he lost his mind. Literally. They had a 7 year old son.

Selfish is selfish. Dont commit to something you dont want to work on or maintain.

If it werent for low standards, there be no standards.

I do understand their are low life's that beat or abuse their wives. I have also dealt with thise dirt bags long ago ina previous line of work. But by goodness if he ain't beating you or otherwise abusing, just be an adult. I guess it was too much to ask or even post. Ill get swamped with all the saints here who advocate for the actual villain.

Guess im out dated. So be it.
People have a reason for doing what they do. Sometimes it's just, "I was horny and this person was available and my regular person wasn't." Sometimes it is something much more serious. Marriage vows assume you are going to try hard to have sex with only one person. This is not a natural thing for great apes like us, but we are all about controlling nature. An anthro stat is that in 180 out of 250 world societies a male has more than one spouse if he can afford it. Monogamy does take work.
 
Someone once put it as “breaking up with extra steps” and it’s shocking how often that describes complex romantic situations especially when one person has “reasons” for breaking the pact.

That’s said, much as I hate cheating I acknowledge that there are still some gender politics that squeeze women to want to audition a new relationship before 86ing the old one. Still hurts though.
Deceit is a choice. And how many thousands of people have said something like, "I was having fun and I was so drunk and it just happened." Having fun and getting drunk are choices.
 
I think there is an interesting conversation around what counts as cheating and where that line is. If I am not satisfied by my girlfriend and I seek out an escort just to talk to her with no sex, would that be cheating? What if I had a session with a fetish wrestler?

I've had someone tell me that intentionality is what determines if it's cheating, but I'm not sure that holds up.
Well, what acts count as cheating is up to the couple. There isn't any blanket "this behavior or that behavior is cheating," because a couple can choose to use their grownup words and talk out loud about where their assumptions are and whether to move any boundaries they inherited from the conventional wisdom because everybody's different. A couple can choose to do ENM, with professionals or whoever else.

Intentionality is 100% behind cheating. The intention is to cheat. That is precisely what defines cheating: Breaking an agreement which was either spoken about out loud or else inherited from the conventional wisdom ("anybody would consider that cheating unless that couple redefined their boundaries to allow it.") But even if boundaries are redefined, and stuff that might be cheating to another couple is OK for this one, even in that situation, a bastard can still cheat.

By deliberately choosing to go beyond the agreement.

That's intentional.

Cheating is when they know they're cheating. They know they have to hide it. They know what will happen if they get caught. If they know and they do it anyway, that is cheating.
 
Well, what acts count as cheating is up to the couple. There isn't any blanket "this behavior or that behavior is cheating," because a couple can choose to use their grownup words and talk out loud about where their assumptions are and whether to move any boundaries they inherited from the conventional wisdom because everybody's different. A couple can choose to do ENM, with professionals or whoever else.

Intentionality is 100% behind cheating. The intention is to cheat. That is precisely what defines cheating: Breaking an agreement which was either spoken about out loud or else inherited from the conventional wisdom ("anybody would consider that cheating unless that couple redefined their boundaries to allow it.") But even if boundaries are redefined, and stuff that might be cheating to another couple is OK for this one, even in that situation, a bastard can still cheat.

By deliberately choosing to go beyond the agreement.

That's intentional.

Cheating is when they know they're cheating. They know they have to hide it. They know what will happen if they get caught. If they know and they do it anyway, that is cheating.
Yeah, the couple would ideally talk about boundaries regarding what's cheating and what's not.

The reason I'm not 100% confident about intentionality is the situations in which the couple does not discuss these boundaries. They'd rely on conventional wisdom, but conventional wisdom isn't always clear on what counts as cheating. Like you said, there aren't any hard and fast blanket rules. Is DMing someone cheating, according to conventional wisdom? What if the intention behind the DM isn't to cheat (they didn't try to hide it or lie about it) but the partner believes it's cheating? Whose belief comes out on top?

You make good points. I agree that hiding it is a good indicator of whether the act is cheating.
 
the situations in which the couple does not discuss these boundaries
This would seem to lead to the situation where maybe one of them thinks it's cheating while the other one doesn't.

That difference of opinion may be valid. It's certainly a difference of opinion. And none of my business. It's between them.

But what certainly isn't a mere difference of opinion is what I was saying about intention: If one is hiding their behavior "just in case" they think their partner will interpret it as cheating, it's cheating.

Even if they're convinced it isn't. Then why hide it?
 
The main problem is that most people choose the wrong partner from the start. On the one hand, this may be due to repeating poor parental patterns, but mainly because we are blinded by our own desires. For example, a person who is attractive, smooth-talking, confident, and charismatic can be very appealing, but people don’t stop to consider that such a personality often hides a narcissistic, manipulative individual who might not even shy away from violence. Many people still choose a partner based on the influence of their environment (which used to mean the family, but today increasingly refers to various online opinion and lifestyle bubbles), often too early, before their personality has matured. They look for the best possible partner rather than the partner who is best for them.
Part of the problem is that society has become completely oversexualized.* This often puts excessive pressure on the partner as well; moreover, everyone wants a ready-made sex god or goddess rather than building a shared intimacy that is satisfying (and fulfillable) for everyone based on shared values.

*: Even here on Lit, most people confuse erotica with pornography. Ridiculously, stories that don’t contain sexual acts are banished to the NonErotic category, and nowadays authors apologize at the beginning of their stories for the “slow burn”—that is, for daring to write erotica on a website dedicated to erotica. Yet erotica is fundamentally not the act itself—far from it. Rather, it is the art of depicting desire, intimation, atmosphere, and intimacy. By comparison, the vast majority of Literotica today is simply porn. Or in polite terms, “fun”.
 
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