A master seeking advice

[Netzach]

This line of reasoning got me laid all through college.

Dumb luck. Could have got you kneed through the nuts expelled and arrested just as easily.

 

[JMohegan]

I am not into JM's idea of forcing the issue unless it is stated in a way you consider firm enough to be taken seriously...

Catalina,

I interpreted the OP's post as asking if we felt that forcing the issue of a 24/7 was a good idea.

The point of my initial response (post 5) was not to suggest forcing the issue of a 24/7, but just the opposite. Note the conclusion of that post:

So one option for you, Eden, might be to come up with a similar line and then forge on ahead.

Of course, getting laid isn't exactly the same thing as transferring power on a full-time basis. Right?

One question I have for you is - what makes you so sure that she'd be "happy in a 24/7"? Surely the clues here are far more complex than heavy breathing, erect nipples, etc.

In responding to Shankara's concerns, I further wrote (in post 9):

The entire point of my post was to help the OP see that the thought process reflected in the opening post is closer to what one expects from a guy seeking a one-night stand, than from a man who seeks a meaningful 24/7 relationship with a woman he actually loves.

I do not know if you missed these comments, or misunderstood them. But I'll say this again, more explicitly. Forcing the issue of a 24/7 relationship does not make sense to me.

 

[JMohegan]

Dumb luck. Could have got you kneed through the nuts expelled and arrested just as easily.

Perhaps.

But it never even got me a bad rep.

The guys who got bad reps were the liars (and there were plenty of those).

I have never had sexual contact with a woman below the age of consent, and never had sex without consent itself. Never dated the helpless or mentally impaired. Never used even minor force or superior strength to get what I want (except in a BDSM context, with clear guidelines agreed to hours or even days before the action begins). And I do not lie.

But I refuse to view women as children, and I have never had patience for the coy games that some women play. If I am responsible for my behavior, then by god so is the adult in bed next to me.

If I am not lying, and I am not using physical force, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a woman to act like the adult that she is. If I give her a simple phrase to utter in a simple sex setting and she doesn't say it, then my moral compass is undisturbed by the ensuing event.

Of course, there is always a risk of arrest after the fact. But that risk exists for any guy, any time, anywhere. Because just like some guys, some women are liars too.

 

[FurryFury]

I know where JM is coming from, I think and why he is rarely in trouble.

I believe women are taught to say no because it's the "right" thing at a time that they are naturally curious and horny. Therefore the Southern Woman tends to put plan B into effect. Step one, go out with a guy or hang around a guy that you'd like to fuck.

Step two arrange to get drunk taking away all personal responsibility for what happens.

Step three say no but weakly and uncertainly because you're drunk and you know you wanna anyway.

Step four never acknowledge or look the guy in the eyes from the next day on because it didn't count and never "really" happened.

For many men this means nearly consequence free sex except, guess what, she's also probably not on birth control either. In order to be on birth control that would mean she consciously planned it. That also goes against the "good girl doing right" teachings.

The upshot of all this is largely unsatisfying and forgettable sex for the girl and possibly another notch on the belt for the guy.

But let's not forget possible STDs.

I firmly believe our society covertly sets the stage for rape and bad partner choices for both sexes.

What MP did is quite beautiful really in this context. He required them to come out with a "safe phrase" which would really mean no and which simultaneously released her to let go and get what she was at least curious about.

Fury

 

[RJMasters]

I know where JM is coming from, I think and why he is rarely in trouble.

I believe women are taught to say no because it's the "right" thing at a time that they are naturally curious and horny. Therefore the Southern Woman tends to put plan B into effect. Step one, go out with a guy or hang around a guy that you'd like to fuck.

Step two arrange to get drunk taking away all personal responsibility for what happens.

Step three say no but weakly and uncertainly because you're drunk and you know you wanna anyway.

Step four never acknowledge or look the guy in the eyes from the next day on because it didn't count and never "really" happened.

For many men this means nearly consequence free sex except, guess what, she's also probably not on birth control either. In order to be on birth control that would mean she consciously planned it. That also goes against the "good girl doing right" teachings.

The upshot of all this is largely unsatisfying and forgettable sex for the girl and possibly another notch on the belt for the guy.

But let's not forget possible STDs.

I firmly believe our society covertly sets the stage for rape and bad partner choices for both sexes.

What MP did is quite beautiful really in this context. He required them to come out with a "safe phrase"which would really mean no and which simultaneously released her to let go and get what she is at least curious about.

Fury

Great post Fury

 

[FurryFury]

Great post Fury

*blushes*

Why thank you!!!

Fury

 

[JMohegan]

I know where JM is coming from, I think and why he is rarely in trouble.

Thank you very much, FurryFury.

I would not disagree with anything you wrote, except to make a few clarifying comments about myself.

I have never found very drunk women to be attractive. Sloppy, amusing, sometimes pitiful. But not arousing. So I have never had sex with a woman beyond the stage of reason, although it is true that my partners have often had a glass or two of wine, beer, whatever over the course of the night.

Additionally, just to put my college experience in perspective here.... it was the late 1970s. Post pill, pre-AIDS, but also a time when many women clearly felt compelled to at least give an appearance of resisting casual sex. At my college, it still felt very much like an era in which men were expected to be sexually aggressive, and women were expected to be the one to put the brakes on.

He required them to come out with a "safe phrase"which would really mean no and which simultaneously released her to let go and get what she is at least curious about.

Yes, that is exactly what I did... though I can not claim to have done it for her benefit.

The truth is that I just wanted to get laid without feeling guilty in the morning.

The upshot of all this is largely unsatisfying and forgettable sex for the girl and possibly another notch on the belt for the guy.

OK, now THIS part of your post is questionable.

Actually, to be honest once again..... once I moved beyond the "notch in the bedpost" stage of my life, I never went back. When I finally made that leap, I learned that relationship sex is infinitely better than a one-night stand.

 

[Master_Wiccanman]

. if you are willing to forgo 24/7 and/or D/s just to keep her, Catalina

Now I wonder why this post jumped out at me? *winks at Catalina
I seem to have been in the same place but am getting wisened up now to the games a sub might play

 

[FurryFury]

Thank you very much, FurryFury.

I would not disagree with anything you wrote, except to make a few clarifying comments about myself.

I have never found very drunk women to be attractive. Sloppy, amusing, sometimes pitiful. But not arousing. So I have never had sex with a woman beyond the stage of reason, although it is true that my partners have often had a glass or two of wine, beer, whatever over the course of the night.

Additionally, just to put my college experience in perspective here.... it was the late 1970s. Post pill, pre-AIDS, but also a time when many women clearly felt compelled to at least give an appearance of resisting casual sex. At my college, it still felt very much like an era in which men were expected to be sexually aggressive, and women were expected to be the one to put the brakes on.

Yes, that is exactly what I did... though I can not claim to have done it for her benefit.

The truth is that I just wanted to get laid without feeling guilty in the morning.

OK, now THIS part of your post is questionable.

Actually, to be honest once again..... once I moved beyond the "notch in the bedpost" stage of my life, I never went back. When I finally made that leap, I learned that relationship sex is infinitely better than a one-night stand.

I understand your caveats.

Just a note about drunk women being attractive or not, first you have a tiny girl so two glasses of wine could be more than enough and remember the booze was her excuse. She didn't have to actually be impaired.

Anyway, I'm glad we agree on so much about this sort of thing.

Fury