A Prologue

[jenni7]

Where did I say I didn't get off to it? Of course I get off to it. I'd just never do it in real life.

I will completely admit that I stroke to these fantasies if you like, I never denied that. What I object to is calling it "sick" or calling me a "scumbag", when I have never hurt anyone and never plan to. And you are just as wrong to call yourself sick as you are to call me sick.

Why the hell am I scum because of my fantasies? Why would anyone be? Someone could tell me they fantasize about dismembering and murdering people and it wouldn't affect my view of them. Fantasy and reality are separate.

Fuck you, you self-righteous, hateful bully. I am a good person. I am loving, devoted, and wouldn't hurt a god damn fly. If you can't comprehend the separation between fantasy and real life, that's your problem.

You truly get off of on the idea and concept as well as writing the degradation of a woman. Of taking a woman's choice from her. Of the breaking down her defenses, and quite possible her spirit? You dont see something wrong with this. To me, and perhaps im wrong but there is a fine line between fantasy and reality here. You say that its fine you write, stroke and enjoy the thought or hurting woman. Ok. I dont see how that doesnt make you a sick fuck but to each their own. How is that different then the psychopaths that start out by torturing small animals then end up shooting up our schools? They didn't "see" that behavior and fantasy escalating yet it did.

People tend to do things that bring them pleasure, in this case you create situations, albeit right now in writing, that is bringing you pleasure by recreating rape. At some point that may not be enough, and could in fact escalate and if you already have a low opinion on a woman's choice and think its erotic in your reasoning as in "Isn’t there something very darkly erotic in the idea of a person being raped and degraded by the one that they love, and thought loved them back?" your behavior is likely to prove just what a sick fuck you are.

On a further note, how you can get off on this and write about it, when your girlfriend has experienced it is truly amazing to me. I can imagine the lasting scars she has and yet you still find pleasure from this situation. To me that is beyond disrespectful to her and very telling on your character.


Why the hell am I scum because of my fantasies? Your scum because you find pleasure in woman being raped. It's quite simple!

I am a good person. I am loving, devoted, and wouldn't hurt a god damn fly. If you can't comprehend the separation between fantasy and real life, that's your problem.

You are not a good person if you are trying to capitalize on your girlfriends situation and horror. If you are ignoring her reality to not only stroke but recreate similar situations for like minded sick fucks it's degrading and disgusting on a whole new level.

 

[lovecraft68]

Where did I say I didn't get off to it? Of course I get off to it. I'd just never do it in real life.

I will completely admit that I stroke to these fantasies if you like, I never denied that. What I object to is calling it "sick" or calling me a "scumbag", when I have never hurt anyone and never plan to. And you are just as wrong to call yourself sick as you are to call me sick.

Why the hell am I scum because of my fantasies? Why would anyone be? Someone could tell me they fantasize about dismembering and murdering people and it wouldn't affect my view of them. Fantasy and reality are separate.

Fuck you, you self-righteous, hateful bully. I am a good person. I am loving, devoted, and wouldn't hurt a god damn fly. If you can't comprehend the separation between fantasy and real life, that's your problem.

I have edited this last post because a friend of mine who is very dear to apparently thinks more highly of me than I do myself and does not like seeing "the real me" come out here.
For her I will remove what i had said even thouigh it would be the fate you deserve.
I will leave you with this instead: delude yourself all you want that you are a good soul keep telling yourself that.
In the end you will burn in hell. When you are make sure you look up because I will be there as well. You will recognize me because I will be looking at you. And smiling.

 

[PennLady]

I'm not trying to take sides, but this was one my mind. LC, you're all over Jack for what he's said about his fantasies and getting off on them. Yet you are writing a very long incest story, with some ugly elements. I haven't read it, but then since I've only read Jack's bit here I figure I'm neutral enough.

Isn't there some pot-kettle-black going on here?

A lot of people would think you're sick for writing about incest in the first place, never mind consent or context or anything else. Are you in favor of siblings sleeping together? You said you'd had an experience with your cousin, but lately (and incest has been in the news a bit in the last couple of months) it seems that cousins may not be so bad. So that's not near as taboo as parent/child or siblings. Plus you've stated that there is a rape scene in your story, or there will be.

So, is the only difference that you don't get off on it? Would you want to sleep with your sister if you had one?

As I've said, I'm not into the stuff Jack's writing about. I find nothing erotic about betrayal, humiliation, and force. However, nor I do find anything erotic about siblings sleeping with each other. Yet you both have a story to tell.

And let me add I'm not particularly exempting myself -- there are plenty of people out there who would be appalled even at the romantic stuff, because of unwed people having sex. And of course there's the contingent that doesn't think any of this should be written at all. (Presumably, they wouldn't come here in the first place, but still.) But you and Jack are both on some touchy, controversial subjects.

I guess I'm thinking if you can separate your thoughts from reality and channel them into a story, why can't he?

 

[JackJJM]

oh

you're a religious nut

that explains a lot

In terms of literature I've gotten what I need from this thread. The mods can lock it if they like (unless others want to continue the discussion?).

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not trying to take sides, but this was one my mind. LC, you're all over Jack for what he's said about his fantasies and getting off on them. Yet you are writing a very long incest story, with some ugly elements. I haven't read it, but then since I've only read Jack's bit here I figure I'm neutral enough.

Isn't there some pot-kettle-black going on here?

A lot of people would think you're sick for writing about incest in the first place, never mind consent or context or anything else. Are you in favor of siblings sleeping together? You said you'd had an experience with your cousin, but lately (and incest has been in the news a bit in the last couple of months) it seems that cousins may not be so bad. So that's not near as taboo as parent/child or siblings. Plus you've stated that there is a rape scene in your story, or there will be.

So, is the only difference that you don't get off on it? Would you want to sleep with your sister if you had one?

As I've said, I'm not into the stuff Jack's writing about. I find nothing erotic about betrayal, humiliation, and force. However, nor I do find anything erotic about siblings sleeping with each other. Yet you both have a story to tell.

And let me add I'm not particularly exempting myself -- there are plenty of people out there who would be appalled even at the romantic stuff, because of unwed people having sex. And of course there's the contingent that doesn't think any of this should be written at all. (Presumably, they wouldn't come here in the first place, but still.) But you and Jack are both on some touchy, controversial subjects.

I guess I'm thinking if you can separate your thoughts from reality and channel them into a story, why can't he?

This pot is not calling the kettle black my dear because this pot will freely admit that he is not fully there himself and will never deny being a bit twisted. I will admit to my aberrations and am not the sweetest of people.
I am described my my mother in law to others as "He's not a nice guy but he is good to my daughter" I have no self delusions unlike wonder boy up there who writesd like a sinner and claims to be a saint.

 

[_Lynn_]

I'm not trying to take sides, but this was one my mind. LC, you're all over Jack for what he's said about his fantasies and getting off on them. Yet you are writing a very long incest story, with some ugly elements. I haven't read it, but then since I've only read Jack's bit here I figure I'm neutral enough.

Isn't there some pot-kettle-black going on here?

A lot of people would think you're sick for writing about incest in the first place, never mind consent or context or anything else. Are you in favor of siblings sleeping together? You said you'd had an experience with your cousin, but lately (and incest has been in the news a bit in the last couple of months) it seems that cousins may not be so bad. So that's not near as taboo as parent/child or siblings. Plus you've stated that there is a rape scene in your story, or there will be.

So, is the only difference that you don't get off on it? Would you want to sleep with your sister if you had one?

As I've said, I'm not into the stuff Jack's writing about. I find nothing erotic about betrayal, humiliation, and force. However, nor I do find anything erotic about siblings sleeping with each other. Yet you both have a story to tell.

And let me add I'm not particularly exempting myself -- there are plenty of people out there who would be appalled even at the romantic stuff, because of unwed people having sex. And of course there's the contingent that doesn't think any of this should be written at all. (Presumably, they wouldn't come here in the first place, but still.) But you and Jack are both on some touchy, controversial subjects.

I guess I'm thinking if you can separate your thoughts from reality and channel them into a story, why can't he?

Ditto.

 

[lovecraft68]

Ditto.

I have also never posted any of my story in a post and will be the first one to say it is not for everyone. Also "morbid" and "depressing" isn't quite the same as a rape tale.

 

[_Lynn_]

I have also never posted any of my story in a post and will be the first one to say it is not for everyone. Also "morbid" and "depressing" isn't quite the same as a rape tale.

You write what bothers some people, so does the OP. You write what you want to, and let the OP write what they want to. If you don't like it, don't read it.

 

[Tyro999]

This is a short prologue to a non-consensual/BDSM story I'm writing. I'm hoping the style isn't overly heavy or flowery. It's just meant to make you want to keep reading.

I have been reading this thread, through all it's diversions, since you first posted this prologue on Monday. I can't put it any better than Sofa did it in his first response. Your prologue didn't make me want to read the story, howevermuch I might be inlined to read a non-consent/BDSM story or not, since it pretty much outlined the entire story in three paragraphs. Why should I spend any more time reading further?

Set me up with the character(s), good or evil, or both, in those first three paragraphs (or six, or nine, or whatever it takes) to make me want to follow on and see what happens to them. FWIW, even with mainstream books, the jacket blurbs don't influence me in my purchases, just confirm my inclination to purchase. Here on Lit, those 3, 6, 9, paragraphs are better devoted to reeling me into your story from the first word.

At least, IMHO as a generic reader, not writer, on Lit.

 

[JackJJM]

For the record, my ex that I mentioned above (the one who was raped) had this to say:

hmmm, rape fantasy eh? Well, I guess I'm qualified to put an argument forward on this one... I suppose you didn't have a problem with either of those things, knowing how you look at things objectivley and all. I think it's not really a problem untill it gets serious, if a guy really gets a kick out of the thought of rapeing a girl, who's to say that he won't try it one day, which is terrible. however if it's just stuff done within a couple, like say a kind of role play where you talk badly and are rough with eachother it's just a bit of fun and can be really hot lol
Again, with porn, I'd say it's not crossing the line between fantasy and reality. I'm dubious about some porn, if it's consensual, legal, if the girls are looked after (yes I'm taking the girls' side)... What if some of the rape porn out there is real rape? I bet it exists and that's not ok at all. But I guess stuff that's acted just gives a story line it doesn't really bother me, but the problem I have with that is that somebody may start to only like rape tinted porn and develop a want to do it themselves.
My stance on the whole thing is that rape is disgusting if ti's real, but fantasies about it can be permitted so long as they are fun and dion't develop into something serious.

And thank, Tyro.

 

[sr71plt]

Perhaps if you give this attempt to justify a rest others will stop harrassing you on it. You asked a writerly question about what you were working on and have gotten some feedback on that. As far as the concept, I don't see that anyone's going to change their minds on that. So either write and post your story or don't--and let's be done with this thread.

 

[kitkat88]

For the record, my ex that I mentioned above (the one who was raped) had this to say:



And thank, Tyro.

I have been following this post and have to say-the technical question not withstanding- the subject matter is disturbing to say the least. I normally don't comment because it is a case of no one is going to change anyone Else's views. And the person who posted last is correct that it should just be let go.

However I want to post a comment and it is directed at the ex-girlfriend of the OP. BTW odd she would just happen to pipe in here or did you write this down one day and save it?

Okay hon, you understand that what your Ex lover is writing about isn't a rape fantasy don't you? He is not telling a story of a women being forced into a sex act. he is writing about a women who has been sold into sexual slavery and spends her entire life in torment. There is a far cry between the two.

Also I will be honest part of me feels like a fool for this question as I am fairly sure that "the girlfriend" may have never said this. So "Jack" if you did make it up there is no need to. Sad to say your brand of "entertainment" is condoned here under free speech. You have enough people defending your horrid fantasies and certainly don't need to make up quotes.

If that was your girlfriends words then at the risk of sounding like a bitch I highly doubt she was ever raped. My best friend is a councilor at a womens shelter she has spent years dealing with the aftermath of rape. Your response sounds like a fantasy response from one of these stories. But then again who knows if you did say it maybe he made you. Seems in character considering the material.