Article: The Healthy Female Submissive

[intothewoods]

I've had plenty different vodkas, including Skye, etc (viv is a fan of vodka in general). Skye is actively better than cheap vodka, and I could taste a difference*. That said, I'm just as happy with Lubsuksowa as I am Skye or Grey Goose.

Interestingly enough, you can make cheap-ass vodka taste more like high-dollar vodka by running it through a brita filter a couple of times. The "taste" of cheap vodka is due to impurities. So while it is odorless and tasteless by definition, the cheap crap is neither.

The more you know...


* - Did a taste test between Skye and Aristocrat. You can smell the difference before it gets to your lips. Aristocrat is rancid monkey shit though. I couldn't tell you the difference between Skye and Lubsuksowa though, and Lubsuksowa is a fairly inexpensive vodka.

I understand the bit about impurities, as I've been lectured on it often. I do not believe most people can tell the difference between vodka brands of a relatively similar purity.

ETA: Sorry if I sound cranky. I am tired of Ketel One snobs lecturing me about the superiority of that brand to Grey Goose.

 

[intothewoods]

I'd say the bottom line is that people who are healthy look healthy. And at any age, healthy looks really, really good!

Illness aside, how does this happen? Eat sensibly, get enough sleep, exercise regularly, wash regularly, drink plenty of water, avoid sun damage. Don't smoke, drink too much, or do drugs.

It's really not complicated, and it doesn't take huge investments in time and money.

It's true that marketers actively foster insecurity to sell their crap. But they also sell the idiotic notion that you can ignore the basics and buy a veneer, to compensate for the fact that you've been abusing your body for years and your health actually sucks.

I agree with you that that's the bottom line and it's not that complicated. Still, it has always bothered me that there are huge sales of anti-cellulite cream when we all know (it's even printed plain as day in the pages of fashion/women's magazines) that those creams do not work. It doesn't seem right to me that a product can be sold under that title when it doesn't do that. I don't mind clever marketing, in fact sometimes I like it if it's particularly clever, but calling perfumed skin cream with some caffeine in it "anti-cellulite cream" is fraud.

Then again, when I was little and saw the ads for a brand of paper plates claiming you could use just one and they would hold up, and my mother told me it was untrue and just an advertisement, I was upset for a week. It's not true! It's on tv and not true. Just didn't seem right.

 

[Recidiva]

I agree with you that that's the bottom line and it's not that complicated. Still, it has always bothered me that there are huge sales of anti-cellulite cream when we all know (it's even printed plain as day in the pages of fashion/women's magazines) that those creams do not work. It doesn't seem right to me that a product can be sold under that title when it doesn't do that. I don't mind clever marketing, in fact sometimes I like it if it's particularly clever, but calling perfumed skin cream with some caffeine in it "anti-cellulite cream" is fraud.

Then again, when I was little and saw the ads for a brand of paper plates claiming you could use just one and they would hold up, and my mother told me it was untrue and just an advertisement, I was upset for a week. It's not true! It's on tv and not true. Just didn't seem right.

I miss out on the entire marketing thing here because my skin is so incredibly sensitive I'm allergic to nearly any additive.

I wash my face with sugar. That's pretty much it.

When I was a kid I saw this commercial with all these people enjoying Pepsi or something and I felt left out. I didn't like Pepsi.

I think that was the end of my crisis. A few months later I decided "fuck it."

It'd be nice to have makeup that didn't make my skin worse, but oh well. I save a lot of money.

 

[JMohegan]

I agree with you that that's the bottom line and it's not that complicated. Still, it has always bothered me that there are huge sales of anti-cellulite cream when we all know (it's even printed plain as day in the pages of fashion/women's magazines) that those creams do not work. It doesn't seem right to me that a product can be sold under that title when it doesn't do that. I don't mind clever marketing, in fact sometimes I like it if it's particularly clever, but calling perfumed skin cream with some caffeine in it "anti-cellulite cream" is fraud.

Then again, when I was little and saw the ads for a brand of paper plates claiming you could use just one and they would hold up, and my mother told me it was untrue and just an advertisement, I was upset for a week. It's not true! It's on tv and not true. Just didn't seem right.

Government regulation being demonstrably inadequate (to say the least) it seems to me that the consumer bears responsibility here.

Listen to your mother, read the warning articles, google reviews, pay attention. "Virtually spotless" is not the same thing as spot-free. Start with the assumption that companies will lie to the fullest extent that they can without getting fined, shut down, or sued - and that's really not a very meaningful bar.

 

[Netzach]

Most skin care products do not do what they say they do. Many have products in them that are either harmful or are counteracted by another ingredient in the product. We need very little for our skin - cleanser of some sort, sunscreen, sometimes a moisturizer depending on what kind of skin you have. A few "anti-aging" type products are effective at turning over the skin - they are found in drugstore products. Finally, virtually all skin cream and makeup products (whether sold in a department store or a drugstore) are produced and manufactured by one of the three major companies.

Again, it all comes back to the money. Marketing sells the product.

Of course this doesn't just apply to skincare products. Vodka. By definition it's odorless and tasteless (flavored vodkas notwithstanding), and yet there are loyal Ketel One drinkers and loyal Skye drinkers. And yes, I know, it's the purity and all of you have such well-developed palates that you can tell the difference. Blah blah, tell it to the blind taste test studies that suggest otherwise.

If I'm drinking it straight or infused with a slice of cucumber only or something, I go for Rain organic or Chopin. I found everything else rough around the edges, including the much touted Grey Goose.

Otherwise a screwdriver with Phillips and one with Ketel One are equally as much a glass of spiked OJ.

 

[Netzach]

Government regulation being demonstrably inadequate (to say the least) it seems to me that the consumer bears responsibility here.

Listen to your mother, read the warning articles, google reviews, pay attention. "Virtually spotless" is not the same thing as spot-free. Start with the assumption that companies will lie to the fullest extent that they can without getting fined, shut down, or sued - and that's really not a very meaningful bar.

I've begun buying makeup from people making it out of their own kitchens inasmuch as I can. I figure they aren't putting a load of powdered lead into it, because there's no upside to them handling it. Ingredients tend to be things like sugar and shea butter and iron oxide red. If I were really motivated I'd make my own, but I have more cash than time and I don't have that much cash.

It doesn't bother me when I'm seeing this crud being "reviewed" in the pages of Elle or Vogue - magazines that exist to sell clothes. But when this snake oil is every other page in "Shape" - a magazine more or less about cooking without heaps of oil and moving your ass around for your own benefit, it's another monster for some reason to me.

Let's not get started on how dysmorphic disorders are in fact all the rage among boys. And it's NOT new - the biggest jock I know has, in his forties, told me that "HS sports are sociallly sanctioned bulimia - my body image is a wreck." His body's a nice enough specimine, but he'll never see it remotely as I do. Stories of hanging out in plastic suits and how one eats to make wrestling weight - it's not like most people happily drop that behavior and that thinking at the end of senior season.

Like domestic violence with male victims, there's even less attention paid, less notion that such a thing can exist, and fewer resources and more shame. Now whether society has it in for men more today or whether maybe the notion that such a "female" disease can happen or should be acknowledged (men get breast cancer too, but no one's urged to look for it or consider it) - is another piece of the puzzle, I think.

 

[00Syd]

I'm not saying that physical fitness is bad, just mentioning these things because of the goofy lengths men will go to in the pursuit of looking good.

Let's see, lift heavy weights, eat well. Nah, that's too hard. I'd rather use goofy-ass contraptions that cost a mint and take anabolics.

Stupid.

Completely agreed.

And I never ever want to date a man who's chest is bigger than mine.

 

[Homburg]

I understand the bit about impurities, as I've been lectured on it often. I do not believe most people can tell the difference between vodka brands of a relatively similar purity.

ETA: Sorry if I sound cranky. I am tired of Ketel One snobs lecturing me about the superiority of that brand to Grey Goose.

Nope, not at all. If you add in the "similar purity" clause, I'm with you entirely.

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Completely agreed.

And I never ever want to date a man who's chest is bigger than mine.

*looks down*

Damn.

ETA: I have since been informed that this reflects cup size, not overall measurement. Much better.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've read these back in the day. My reactions to it have always been:

I don't know that many "healthy" people.

I don't know why there's so much struggle to label sexual kink as "perfectly healthy and normal and natural." If it were none of the above, it would still be my right. Your right. Her right. And all of our respective business.

I don't see the correlation between highly socially sensitive people and submissive leanings. I've enjoyed service from people who really have to have my moods and drives carefully and gently explained and people who are so intuitive they freak me out. I think the only necessity for being submissive is being submissive. For thousands of reasons per person.

Anyhow, most of us are given to "oh shit, she's mad, did I make her mad?" with people we're very invested in and not other people. Some people much more than others, but I think this kind of having to step back and remind ourselves it's not always about us is damn near universal. The idea that less reactive people are less affected by toxic environments than more outwardly sensitive ones is especially vexing to me. Coming up with dysfunctional coping strategies is only marginally better at most than suffering.

Ditto

Catalina

 

[ataxia.girl]

That article made my head hurt a little bit.

i did like the part where he said free to be angry. i like being free to be angry.

 

[elysium_quester]

I think this article is aimed more towards me and people like me: potential submissives who aren't sure if they are, the ones with a half billion questions and no answers. The biggest question digs to the root of the problem: is this even sane? Am I going mental? The immediate reaction for most is to feel a bit sick, no matter how the rest of them feels, and that's because of the general cultural view of submission being weakness, independence being strength.

This answers the question, in depth and perfectly. It's not mad, it's a viable lifestyle with healthy people, and then you can move on to the "Is this right for me?" and the even harder ones.

I still had some reservations about my identity and I think that if they haven't been solved, they've been quieted to a dull roar that's easily ignored. It's a hard thing to come to terms with, that you're fundamentally different than anyone else, a part that people reject, that you can't change and can only hide, even though it's hiding a part of yourself. I'd compare that internal struggle to the struggle I had when I came out, and there's tons of online support for struggling gays that prove they're mentally sound (despite the right, deep down, not truly believing it), and the same articles for submissives are just as important. Maybe even more, since this is such an understated and misunderstood counter-culture.

 

[AnitaMann]

That was an interesting read. I've always been curious about submission as it relates to Psychological health and well-being.

Thank you for sharing.