Asphyxiation

[justturnedlegal]

Hm... I've never really considered it... but I would love to try!!! With somoene I trusted of course

 

[Little_Kitten]

I'm all for risk-aware kink As long as you've educated yourself fully on the matter, and know the risks/consequences of accidents... Then there is nothing more anyoen else can do. We are 'mastars' of our own lives.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Rereading this thread just reminded me of a conversation I had with a dominant some years ago, he asked what I had been doing, I explained I had just finished reading the Jay Wiseman article that's linked in another post. To which he replied "Ohhh yes most in our group are really into breath play", ( much to my surprise ). The pride was tangible but there was a sort of backtracking implication that it was also a "meh commonplace" pursuit.

I replied by asking him if he was familiar with the Wiseman article. He professed no, though he wouldn't mind reading it. Which he did. He then went on to stammer slightly "ohh that's not the kind of breath play I meant". Least he was astute enough to recognize the difference between a passionate throttle to make a point and a direct onslaught to the point of causing a partner to be at sincere risk of mortality.

Personally I love the premise of trust and the sheer hell ( insert the passion , control, lust and rage - PYT pick your trigger ) of the potential to 'go there' with breath play, I'd prefer however to have my mind both creatively & skillfully guided to make the last few steps into an perceived impassioned danger zone than actually go there physiologically. Guess I was in his camp all along, though just initially, a little better informed. I have stuff to do , places to see, people to adore,so please don't be inadvertently killing me or leaving me brain injured m'kay.

 

[Etoile]

My experiences are pretty much the same as osg's, in terms of how it happens, why it happens, and the results of what happens. I'm not dead yet, and I trust the people who do it to me. Yes, this is very risky stuff - nobody who has died of autoerotic asphyxiation did so intentionally.

 

[Squeaky37]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for replying - all your comments have been very useful.

I am looking carefully at all the risks involved, especially the fact that my friend did not exactly ease me into the idea. I put that down to him being a few years younger than me, and probably not aware of the dangers.

Having considered myself a submissive for several years now the most startling thing is my thoughts on teaching him a lesson or two into light bondage etc as he is not very experienced in this side of things. I've actually found myself fantasising about tying him up, something which i havn't considered a turn on - at least not since the last younger guy I dated.....

hmmmm, I feel I may have some thinking to do.

xx

 

[YourCaptor]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone for replying - all your comments have been very useful.

I am looking carefully at all the risks involved, especially the fact that my friend did not exactly ease me into the idea. I put that down to him being a few years younger than me, and probably not aware of the dangers.

Having considered myself a submissive for several years now the most startling thing is my thoughts on teaching him a lesson or two into light bondage etc as he is not very experienced in this side of things. I've actually found myself fantasising about tying him up, something which i havn't considered a turn on - at least not since the last younger guy I dated.....

hmmmm, I feel I may have some thinking to do.

xx

Go with what feels right, don’t over think.

 

[Etoile]

Go with what feels right, don’t over think.

I never understand this advice. Yes, don't overthink, but don't just do what feels good. Especially in this department. Consider the safety of what you're doing, both from emotional and physical aspects. I see this advice in the GLBT forum a lot, where a guy says "I want to suck a cock but I don't know" and people say "if it feels good, do it." Well yes, but what if the guy is married? Shouldn't he be considering his wife? That's even with something that's "harmless" like sucking cock. With something POTENTIALLY FATAL like choking, it's essential that she think about it. Especially considering that the guy how exposed her to this wasn't even aware of the dangers. This whole thing just screams THINK MORE!!! So I think telling Squeaky not to overthink is the wrong advice here, YC.

Squeaky, think about it a LOT. You're doing the right thing by thinking about it. If it gets you hot and you want to do it, GREAT! Then find out how to do it properly. Thinking is always advisable in this department.

 

[Tuomas]

I never understand this advice. Yes, don't overthink, but don't just do what feels good. Especially in this department. Consider the safety of what you're doing, both from emotional and physical aspects. I see this advice in the GLBT forum a lot, where a guy says "I want to suck a cock but I don't know" and people say "if it feels good, do it." Well yes, but what if the guy is married? Shouldn't he be considering his wife? That's even with something that's "harmless" like sucking cock. With something POTENTIALLY FATAL like choking, it's essential that she think about it. Especially considering that the guy how exposed her to this wasn't even aware of the dangers. This whole thing just screams THINK MORE!!! So I think telling Squeaky not to overthink is the wrong advice here, YC.

Squeaky, think about it a LOT. You're doing the right thing by thinking about it. If it gets you hot and you want to do it, GREAT! Then find out how to do it properly. Thinking is always advisable in this department.

Besides, thinking about a kinky thing you like is always fun, anyway

 

[YourCaptor]

I never understand this advice. Yes, don't overthink, but don't just do what feels good. Especially in this department. Consider the safety of what you're doing, both from emotional and physical aspects. I see this advice in the GLBT forum a lot, where a guy says "I want to suck a cock but I don't know" and people say "if it feels good, do it." Well yes, but what if the guy is married? Shouldn't he be considering his wife? That's even with something that's "harmless" like sucking cock. With something POTENTIALLY FATAL like choking, it's essential that she think about it. Especially considering that the guy how exposed her to this wasn't even aware of the dangers. This whole thing just screams THINK MORE!!! So I think telling Squeaky not to overthink is the wrong advice here, YC.

Squeaky, think about it a LOT. You're doing the right thing by thinking about it. If it gets you hot and you want to do it, GREAT! Then find out how to do it properly. Thinking is always advisable in this department.

Yes you are right, I think what I said did come out wrong. Should have been more along the lines of this.

Having considered myself a submissive for several years now the most startling thing is my thoughts on teaching him a lesson or two into light bondage etc as he is not very experienced in this side of things. I've actually found myself fantasising about tying him up, something which i havn't considered a turn on - at least not since the last younger guy I dated.....

hmmmm, I feel I may have some thinking to do.

xx

Go with what feels right, don’t over think.

If you feel like you want to do something that you’re not entirely sure about, and start thinking up reasons why you should or why you shouldn’t, in the end you only come out with a logically skewed truth that won’t result in something you ever wanted to do. When it comes to certain things the only way to know if its what you want is to try it out. Of course when there is danger or moral issues involved you should proceed with knowledge and caution, but to find out if its what you like, you have to try it, you cannot decide if you like it through reasoning.

I hope thats better, be safe.

 

[intothewoods]

Rereading this thread just reminded me of a conversation I had with a dominant some years ago, he asked what I had been doing, I explained I had just finished reading the Jay Wiseman article that's linked in another post. To which he replied "Ohhh yes most in our group are really into breath play", ( much to my surprise ). The pride was tangible but there was a sort of backtracking implication that it was also a "meh commonplace" pursuit.

I replied by asking him if he was familiar with the Wiseman article. He professed no, though he wouldn't mind reading it. Which he did. He then went on to stammer slightly "ohh that's not the kind of breath play I meant". Least he was astute enough to recognize the difference between a passionate throttle to make a point and a direct onslaught to the point of causing a partner to be at sincere risk of mortality.

Personally I love the premise of trust and the sheer hell ( insert the passion , control, lust and rage - PYT pick your trigger ) of the potential to 'go there' with breath play, I'd prefer however to have my mind both creatively & skillfully guided to make the last few steps into an perceived impassioned danger zone than actually go there physiologically. Guess I was in his camp all along, though just initially, a little better informed. I have stuff to do , places to see, people to adore,so please don't be inadvertently killing me or leaving me brain injured m'kay.

You piqued my curiousity, rebecca, so I read the Jay Wiseman article. It does seem important to clarify our terms. I love "breath play" but no one is messing with my actual ability to breathe. Mister Man gets a good grip on my neck, mind you. It's quite possible without actually closing off the airway passages.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

You piqued my curiousity, rebecca, so I read the Jay Wiseman article. It does seem important to clarify our terms. I love "breath play" but no one is messing with my actual ability to breathe. Mister Man gets a good grip on my neck, mind you. It's quite possible without actually closing off the airway passages.

I do wonder if even 10% of the people that scroll this thread ever read the Jay Wiseman article . It's always a fairly emotive topic of sorts for me, living with someone day in and day out with an acquired brain injury due to hypoxia will expedite the kind of bias that wants to shout "Danger Will Robinson".

Anyhoo, people are free to ignore me . "ohh that damn Rebecca ranting about breath play again, longsighs " . It's a miracle I am tolerated at all : smiles :

I also always think of the example of Micheal Hutchinson and his untimely death. Which to the opinion of many, included the practice autoerotic asphyxiation. The Coroner ruled suicide. I worked in, thus had savvy contacts within the music industry, throw in certain personal level of more direct knowledge going back pre INXS fame, and Micheal was well known for seeking the more challenging side of kink. It's not definitive however, let's just call it an intuition.

I seem to be getting off track a little here, apologies, anyway as you have said Miss ITW it may well be quite important to clarify terms in this instance

 

[ownedsubgal]

I do wonder if even 10% of the people that scroll this thread ever read the Jay Wiseman article . It's always a fairly emotive topic of sorts for me, living with someone day in and day out with an acquired brain injury due to hypoxia will expedite the kind of bias that wants to shout "Danger Will Robinson".

Anyhoo, people are free to ignore me . "ohh that damn Rebecca ranting about breath play again, longsighs " . It's a miracle I am tolerated at all : smiles :

rebecca, you could never be ignored. actually i have read the Wiseman article on this subject, and i applaud him for getting the information out there, although imo the tone of his articles often leaves much to be desired (judgemental, divisive, etc.).

in my particular situation i am someone else's property, and have no say or control over what will and will not be done with me. my Master and i do not live by the SSC mantra, and we do not engage in these types of activities within the same context as perhaps most of those in the "bdsm" world. this does not mean that he is careless or is lacking concern for my well-being, he has his own lines which he will not cross. but asphyxiating me to the point of pain or temporary loss of consciousness (and the risks inherent in that) is not among them, and i accept that as i do anything else he desires.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

rebecca, you could never be ignored. actually i have read the Wiseman article on this subject, and i applaud him for getting the information out there, although imo the tone of his articles often leaves much to be desired (judgemental, divisive, etc.).

: chuckles at 'the' comment:

Hello OSG : bigsmiles : I know exactly what you mean regarding Wiseman and I agree about the implied tone of his articles, they bug me too. Until we have something better or as detailed to offer as support information we are kind of stuck with him though. I was going to go off on that tangent a little earlier, I desisted, it's hard enough to reign in all my extra curricular influences without coming off as a inappropriately judgmental, dismissive & disrespectful of the choices others make.

I wrote a lengthy post on this thread topic yesterday, requested a friend from the board read it, to critique if he felt I was off task. He said it 'sounded reasonable' ,though I still deleted it, I simply can't trust myself to convey how I feel as impartially as I wish to. It's a massive struggle for me.

in my particular situation i am someone else's property, and have no say or control over what will and will not be done with me. my Master and i do not live by the SSC mantra, and we do not engage in these types of activities within the same context as perhaps most of those in the "bdsm" world. this does not mean that he is careless or is lacking concern for my well-being, he has his own lines which he will not cross. but asphyxiating me to the point of pain or temporary loss of consciousness (and the risks inherent in that) is not among them, and i accept that as i do anything else he desires.

Yes I know : smiles : You're quite unique OSG and I say that in a completely complimentary way

 

[madetotakeit]

Well Rebecca, there are at least two of us who have read the article you mentioned. I'm sure there are many more who just haven't piped up. LOL

Betticus hit it on the nail in how I look at it when he mentioned being held by the neck is really the turn on. It's the whole control aspect more than the thrill of riding that edge. Having a background on the outskirts of medical I understand all of the physiological dangers that are inherent in breath play. I've dealt with several calls involving auto-erotic asphyxiation (it was very popular for awhile where I used to live.) I've dealt with the aftermath, which was never pretty. I might also add that there was never a good outcome...not one. Someone I allow to control me by my neck better feel honored because I'm not going to trust just anyone to do that. If I ever felt that his intentions were to cause syncope, that would be the last time that he would feel his hand around my throat. There are other edges to walk (and other ways to be rendered unconscious if that is what he wants) that do not include the chance of ischemia. Call me silly, but I rather like my state of not only being alive, but with a fully functioning brain. (Although the fully functioning part, I'm sure, is up for question at times. )

 

[intothewoods]

I don't want to die - I don't want to leave my kid without a mom. There are loads of things I don't do because the risk just isn't worth the benefit. Any sort of real breath control play falls within that category.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Well Rebecca, there are at least two of us who have read the article you mentioned. I'm sure there are many more who just haven't piped up. LOL

Betticus hit it on the nail in how I look at it when he mentioned being held by the neck is really the turn on. It's the whole control aspect more than the thrill of riding that edge. Having a background on the outskirts of medical I understand all of the physiological dangers that are inherent in breath play. I've dealt with several calls involving auto-erotic asphyxiation (it was very popular for awhile where I used to live.) I've dealt with the aftermath, which was never pretty. I might also add that there was never a good outcome...not one. Someone I allow to control me by my neck better feel honored because I'm not going to trust just anyone to do that. If I ever felt that his intentions were to cause syncope, that would be the last time that he would feel his hand around my throat. There are other edges to walk (and other ways to be rendered unconscious if that is what he wants) that do not include the chance of ischemia. Call me silly, but I rather like my state of not only being alive, but with a fully functioning brain. (Although the fully functioning part, I'm sure, is up for question at times. )

Perhaps I should have said "I do wonder if even 10% of the people that are not regulars to the Board ever read the Jay Wiseman article ". Did I just dig myself in deeper I wonder ? Ohh whatever : laughsmiles :

Thank you so much for adding your professional observations regarding the physiological dangers on this topic. Part of my deleted post on hypoxia included information on how few mins it actually takes before we a talking permanent irreversible brain injury. There are also issues like epilepsy to consider, it can remain dormant, some people are more predisposed to it than others and flip that switch and hello the World just got a great deal more complicated. Of all the parts of the body , the brain remains still the most mysterious even to the most competent of Neurologists and here we are playing mini Gods unto ourselves, as if we are in some way perhaps immune from a potential onslaught into many living forms of Hell.

I blame you madetotakeit, you just had to lead me back to this thread : laughs :

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

I don't want to die - I don't want to leave my kid without a mom. There are loads of things I don't do because the risk just isn't worth the benefit. Any sort of real breath control play falls within that category.

"Mom factor" is the line here also.

 

[madetotakeit]

Thank you so much for adding your professional observations regarding the physiological dangers on this topic.

There are others here who could definitely give more medical insight into the exact ramifications. I know what I consider to be basics and didn't want to overstep in that area, but I have (unfortunately) experience with those calls when things go wrong.

I blame you madetotakeit, you just had to lead me back to this thread : laughs :

Story of my life. It seems I'm always at the center of the blame. Fortunately for me I learned early as a child to be to blame without being blamed. (I swear I was just hyper and curious, I really wasn't a problem child!) This time, it's for a good cause so I will gladly take my punishment!

 

[unregistered]

 

[Etoile]

Is it just me or are a lot of old threads getting bumped lately? JtohisPB, may I suggest that in future you send such comments by PM rather than bumping year old threads? I do love your handle though!

 

[ecstaticsub]

Is it just me or are a lot of old threads getting bumped lately? JtohisPB, may I suggest that in future you send such comments by PM rather than bumping year old threads? I do love your handle though!

Personally, I like old threads being bumped. Makes this place a little more interesting.

 

[unregistered]

 

[CutieMouse]

Is it just me or are a lot of old threads getting bumped lately? JtohisPB, may I suggest that in future you send such comments by PM rather than bumping year old threads? I do love your handle though!

*raises hand*

That would be (a lot) my fault. I've been reading years old threads and bumpaging them like mad lately.

 

[bethpage]

I'm loving the bumps, CutieMouse.

I'm interested in all this too, and on many other lists (yeah, not forums, but close enough) somebody new would come on and ask a question, and the experienced people would have to go over it all again.....and eventually they got tired of saying it again and again. This way we newbies get the old posts (without somebody having to retype their spiel!) and whatever feedback people want to add. Best of both worlds, I think. YMMV

Does things like slightly tight necklaces and laced corsets count as breath play? I have absolutely no interest in passing out, but the sensation of a tight necklace (not enough to stop breathing, just enough to know that it is definitely there), laced corsets, and hanging my head off the bed really increase the sensation. Of course, when you start gasping you also can get the rush for hyperventilation, which is a whole 'nother thing.

Where does this stuff fall? Are there additional safety risks? I've pulled up the links that were suggested, and I'm going to read them, but I wanted to ask before I forgot.

 

[graceanne]

*raises hand*

That would be (a lot) my fault. I've been reading years old threads and bumpaging them like mad lately.

Eek! It's The Mad Bumper!