BDSM as a high art

[Peter2002]

Saddle

Only Helmut Newton photo I loved in NY.

Blonde supermodelific stick amazon with lots of jewelry and red red lipstick. Toilet paper adhered to lipsticked mouth, for "blotting" lipstick seeping into the square in a totally obscene spreading red ring, the square of toilet paper obscuring the lower half of her face in a particularly degraded way.

I know the pic. My favorite is very convention. The very cool (in a Grace Kelly sort of way) model, kneeling on a hotel bed in riding pants and a brad with a saddle on her back.

 

[Peter2002]

Re: Saddle

I know the pic. My favorite is very convention. The very cool (in a Grace Kelly sort of way) model, kneeling on a hotel bed in riding pants and a brad with a saddle on her back.

That is supposed to read:

bra

 

[Netzach]

Please realize I am jumping up and down on my bed to FINALLY have made contact with other perverts who know what the fuck I am talking about when I talk about art.

More, please! More!

 

[Krinaia]

I'm glad we have an excited pervert on our hands.

Tell us about your art ideas and the things you love and get this discussion back up and running full blast again.

i love the impressions of ropes on skin left after bondage. Pictures taken of that which cut out the fact and highlight only a portion of the body - that to me, is eloquent.

 

[Netzach]

*chuckle* well you know, it's not easy to find anyone who cares about high art. We're often elitists preaching to our own choir, and that's ok, I just rarely get to talk my talk and be direct and out as...a pervert.

I'm a fan of Doris Kloster's photography because every thing in them is intentional, pointedly there. There's nothing more amateurish and bad, nothing that dries me up, as it were, as quickly as the bad edges of unintentional "real life" showing, as though we don't see the blender on the counter because the person taking the photo doesn't think it's the subject.

It's not that real life shouldn't happen in any photo that is sexy...Nan Goldin can be as sexy as she is heartrending, it's that fetish, by definition should be *arranged* and *meant*

So what I love about Doris Kloster is her sense of narrative. Pictures that tell stories are the only kinds that get me wet.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm glad we have an excited pervert on our hands.

Tell us about your art ideas and the things you love and get this discussion back up and running full blast again.

i love the impressions of ropes on skin left after bondage. Pictures taken of that which cut out the fact and highlight only a portion of the body - that to me, is eloquent.

Is beautiful. I also love pics which are low lit and accentuate the pressure on the skin of a knife, needle, or wheel just about to pierce the skin, but not quite....and also those ones that show the first drop of blood as it breaks into the light of day. Not easy to find but worth it when they are.

Another photographer I found I liked the other night was Calvato. Raw, but creatively beautiful nudes incorporating the beauty and the dirt, and a little chained vulnerability as well in some. Nice work evoking a delicious feeling.

Catalina

 

[Krinaia]

I'm afraid I don't recognize most these names. I'll have to do some searches when I get the time.


Photography is a beautiful art - its just a shame so many amatuers are allowed to walk around, camera in hand I used to be one of them. While I'm no artist, at least I now know how to take a photograph well, with good lighting, and that will create a good composition. And if I still screw up, I'm a master at photoshop.


It would be nice if this thread could come to hold a library of sorts for people looking for bdsm photography, sculpture, and or other splatterings of charcoal and paint which is ACTUALLY art.

I've taken interest in a few of the comic artists... such as Erick von Gotha and Milo Manara. I enjoy their stuff. And Soyarama? well I see people with AVS taken from his work all the time.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It would be nice if this thread could come to hold a library of sorts for people looking for bdsm photography, sculpture, and or other splatterings of charcoal and paint which is ACTUALLY art.

I've taken interest in a few of the comic artists... such as Erick von Gotha and Milo Manara. I enjoy their stuff. And Soyarama? well I see people with AVS taken from his work all the time.

One of my faves would have to be Luis Royo. I love his work in all it's mediums, his sensuality, and his portrayal of lifestyle type scenarios. Would one day love to be of that standard though fear I am far from it. On the positive side, apart from the encouragement I have been getting here from a professional to begin exhibiting and aiming toward selling my work, I sent some of my drawings to another artist last week in an exchange of sorts as I admired his work and received an email back declaring he thought my work better than his (don't agree, but hey) and also telling me I should be looking to exhibiting and selling, and giving me some valueable tips on how to go about it and where. This will be a new avenue for me in commercial ventures as I have only sold my photography in the past, mainly without trying, but alas it was not BDSM flavoured at that time, and I eventually gave up taking in appointments to do specific shoots as it was not profitable without the resources to develop my own work. Now it is just up to maintaining the right drawing mood days, and time. ...oh and persuading Master to part with them as each one I do, he wants to keep despite who it is intended for. LOL.

Catalina

 

[Krinaia]

I look forward to the day I can take up my painting again. I'm glad you mentioned Luis Royo - I enjoy his work too. Particularly the Prohibited series.

Drwg didn't used to be my forte, I still don't think it is but it's the medium I'm most often forced into. I should change my AV to something I designed. I think I will. I should make note of my talents in the "toot my own horn" thread as should you catalina


SO far: Cool artist list:

Luis Royo
Milo Manara
Erick von Gotha
Hajime Sorayama


and I'm going to add:

Loic Dubigeon

 

[catalina_francisco]

Another to add is Boris Vallejo. Though his work is not predominantly lifestyle oriented, there is an element that can be interpreted that way. I have a couple of his fantasy calendars, and his photography book 'Hindsight' which is a beautiful study of butts. I did a drawing a long time ago based on one of his photographs. I think I have improved in my style since then so perhaps I should try it again.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

In a more political, direct, less glossily sexy but aggressively joyous vein, Catherine Opie's early work rocks my leatherdyke world.

Jeanne Dunning is a Chicago area photographer that deals with the body in a fetishistic, eerie transformative way. A thumb becomes a cock in her lens, a curled fist becomes an uncomfortable close up of a sphincter.

And how BOUT that mapplethorpe as the devil with protruding bullwhip tail?

 

[Peter2002]

Nan Goldin et al

Goldin's photos have soul. They are deep. Newton to me is surface. Both have their appeal and beauty. Goldin makes me care, Newton makes me lust -- or covet. I don't think there is a hierachy or response here. Mapplethorp is the master of objectification. The photo as sculpture. Behind his provocative facade lies a classical sensibility.

 

[Netzach]

The provocation of Mapplethorpe kind of grew up around the photos.

I may remember this incorrectly, but many of the photos in the X portfolio were'nt slated for exhibit, were basically personal photos.

Mapplethorpe assumed he was speaking to his own community when he made them.

He died, and then he no longer was, but he was speaking to the mainstream instead.

 

[Peter2002]

B&W thread

Anyone who finds this thread interesting, should check out the B&W thread -- you already haven't. Some great photos posted by many regular posters.

 

[Guest]

Just for grins

Just for grins - and the fact that I am enjoying lurking through this conversation--------

http://www.fantasya.net/section_erotic-art_2.htm

This can sometimes hold some rather interesting pieces - mainly just due to the huge variety available.