But Eb, don't you think Dommes have it a little too easy?
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I believe Writer Dom has a good point: The economics of the situation vastly favor a domme, esp. in relation to male subs. A domme of average looks and gifts can easily attract quite a selection, based indeed on just a hint--but not delivery--of sex. Few males, except for the Sean Connery's and Brad Pitt's ever have such choices, including male doms; the 'choice' one of ten that Eb can practice is not in the cards, in my opinion, for almost all non-famous doms. IF a domme wishes to, it's my opinion, she can more easily than a dom, support herself through contributions or tithes on the subs.
Eb's rejoinder shows her usual flare and intelligence. I gather the gist is that the sorting is laborious. Yes. It's hell, too, being Tyra Banks, and having the 100s after you. All those tiring choices. Right. But most, esp. males, don't have such a sorting problem. Eb's obvious gifts and panache, indeed, in my opinion give her the ability to have a sub 'jump through a hoop' of her choosing, say, clean her bathroom floor daily with a toothbrush.
This is not to say, she in fact, does ask mindless things, or flaunt power egotistically; but her position, in my opionion, allows such.
Hecate's posting is hard to fathom. I'd like to hear her directly state a couple clear points. The gist seems to be--so far as I can tell-- that she doesn't carelessly discard subs, as WD suggests a domme could. Again, not knowing her practice, just her fine writings, one may well think she's very conscientious and careful of her subs. I suppose she cherishes some. But the point was that she needn't.
Eb's rejoinder shows her usual flare and intelligence. I gather the gist is that the sorting is laborious. Yes. It's hell, too, being Tyra Banks, and having the 100s after you. All those tiring choices. Right. But most, esp. males, don't have such a sorting problem. Eb's obvious gifts and panache, indeed, in my opinion give her the ability to have a sub 'jump through a hoop' of her choosing, say, clean her bathroom floor daily with a toothbrush.
This is not to say, she in fact, does ask mindless things, or flaunt power egotistically; but her position, in my opionion, allows such.
Hecate's posting is hard to fathom. I'd like to hear her directly state a couple clear points. The gist seems to be--so far as I can tell-- that she doesn't carelessly discard subs, as WD suggests a domme could. Again, not knowing her practice, just her fine writings, one may well think she's very conscientious and careful of her subs. I suppose she cherishes some. But the point was that she needn't.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: But Eb, don't you think Dommes have it a little too easy?
Would it not, in some ways, be harder for those who train, or have a relationship with, a male submissive? Men are taught and/or conditioned to not display emotion or weakenss (in many ways) from early on. So, for a man to ask/be allowed to submit, goes against what some of society would consider the "norm". It's a potential added road-block. Making the dom/me's role in any such relationship that much more demanding. (?)
Women are allowed/expected to show feelings, weaknessess, needs, etc. much more freely, and society does not "frown" so much on this. We are somewhat conditioned to this by the world we live in.
An example of what I am trying to say. When my parents died, I thought nothing of expressing my emotion and grief at the funeral in public. Yet, why my SO's mother died, he did not express any outword grief in public, even tho I knew he was incredibly hurt. His (the male) emotions were for expressing in private with me, away from the society that sees the emotion shown by a man as a weakness or perhaps not the "norm"
I am just wondering? (and, also sincerly hope how I tried to express my thoughts does not give offence to anyone)
Ebonyfire said:
Would it not, in some ways, be harder for those who train, or have a relationship with, a male submissive? Men are taught and/or conditioned to not display emotion or weakenss (in many ways) from early on. So, for a man to ask/be allowed to submit, goes against what some of society would consider the "norm". It's a potential added road-block. Making the dom/me's role in any such relationship that much more demanding. (?)
Women are allowed/expected to show feelings, weaknessess, needs, etc. much more freely, and society does not "frown" so much on this. We are somewhat conditioned to this by the world we live in.
An example of what I am trying to say. When my parents died, I thought nothing of expressing my emotion and grief at the funeral in public. Yet, why my SO's mother died, he did not express any outword grief in public, even tho I knew he was incredibly hurt. His (the male) emotions were for expressing in private with me, away from the society that sees the emotion shown by a man as a weakness or perhaps not the "norm"
I am just wondering? (and, also sincerly hope how I tried to express my thoughts does not give offence to anyone)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: But Eb, don't you think Dommes have it a little too easy?
Well, I don't train or play with women subs so it is a moot point with me.
However I hate to get into these "my kink is better, harder, or more meaningful than yours" arguments.
It think it is hard to dominate any person male or female. It takes a lot of time, preparation, and energy to control an adult human being.
Ebony
lady-kat said:
Well, I don't train or play with women subs so it is a moot point with me.
However I hate to get into these "my kink is better, harder, or more meaningful than yours" arguments.
It think it is hard to dominate any person male or female. It takes a lot of time, preparation, and energy to control an adult human being.
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Originally posted by Pure
A domme of average looks and gifts can easily attract quite a selection, based indeed on just a hint--but not delivery--of sex.
I have to disagree here. Mainly because how a Domme looks most of the time has no impact on getting a male sub.
Most male subs are more concerned with how skillful the Domme is, not how she looks naked. A butt ugly Domme who is skilled will have many more subs than a cute little domme who cannot even wield a flogger.
Male subs often can and do have vanilla girlfriends, that means they are seldom fuck deficient.
Eb's rejoinder shows her usual flare and intelligence. I gather the gist is that the sorting is laborious. Yes. It's hell, too, being Tyra Banks, and having the 100s after you. All those tiring choices. Right. But most, esp. males, don't have such a sorting problem.
I believe you are being sarcastic, Pure.
I spend a lot of time interviewing and picking those who swerve me so that I do not have the problems that the male Doms have. If I am successful it is because I work damn hard at it. I will not bore anyone with why I pick the type of subs I do, but I have very good reasons for my methods.
It is a lot of hard work, before and after the choice is made.
As for economics, what does that have to do with anything? I have a successful career, so my subs should be successful too. Submissive men just happen to be very successful men for the most part. That is icing on the cake.
Eb
A domme of average looks and gifts can easily attract quite a selection, based indeed on just a hint--but not delivery--of sex.
I have to disagree here. Mainly because how a Domme looks most of the time has no impact on getting a male sub.
Most male subs are more concerned with how skillful the Domme is, not how she looks naked. A butt ugly Domme who is skilled will have many more subs than a cute little domme who cannot even wield a flogger.
Male subs often can and do have vanilla girlfriends, that means they are seldom fuck deficient.
Eb's rejoinder shows her usual flare and intelligence. I gather the gist is that the sorting is laborious. Yes. It's hell, too, being Tyra Banks, and having the 100s after you. All those tiring choices. Right. But most, esp. males, don't have such a sorting problem.
I believe you are being sarcastic, Pure.
I spend a lot of time interviewing and picking those who swerve me so that I do not have the problems that the male Doms have. If I am successful it is because I work damn hard at it. I will not bore anyone with why I pick the type of subs I do, but I have very good reasons for my methods.
It is a lot of hard work, before and after the choice is made.
As for economics, what does that have to do with anything? I have a successful career, so my subs should be successful too. Submissive men just happen to be very successful men for the most part. That is icing on the cake.
Eb
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Ebonyfire said:
well, hmmm, that might be true about the kinds of submissive men you are interested in. And we can call them "true submissives" But a Domme who looks like " fill in the blank, major actress or model" would have millions of subs. I mean fucking millions in the USA. Worldwide we are talking billions.
((in response to the post before last))
Tosses in a comment here, even though his opinon probably doesnt matter that much, bc. of my lack of experience in the matter. I only know my own emotions.
If I were to chose between a madly beautiful domme, who didnt know what a bull whip is, or thinks a cock ring are those neat rings that guys wear from high school, and a domme who wasnt beautiful, but knew the ropes, (pun intended), I would chose the domme who knew the ropes.. a situation with the beautiful domme who knew nothing would be less satisfying then regular a regular situation, with no BDSM involved, because I would expect her to know her stuff, and when she didnt, I would be dissapointed... but with the experienced domme, I would enjoy serving Her, because she was able to itch that scratch that just cant be itched by anything else. Just my opinion,
from the newbie guy 
Tosses in a comment here, even though his opinon probably doesnt matter that much, bc. of my lack of experience in the matter. I only know my own emotions.
If I were to chose between a madly beautiful domme, who didnt know what a bull whip is, or thinks a cock ring are those neat rings that guys wear from high school, and a domme who wasnt beautiful, but knew the ropes, (pun intended), I would chose the domme who knew the ropes.. a situation with the beautiful domme who knew nothing would be less satisfying then regular a regular situation, with no BDSM involved, because I would expect her to know her stuff, and when she didnt, I would be dissapointed... but with the experienced domme, I would enjoy serving Her, because she was able to itch that scratch that just cant be itched by anything else. Just my opinion,
from the newbie guy
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WriterDom said:
I always want to bring race into it. I am not a white girl WD. There are differences, you know.
Not everyone is into skinny, white girls.
I have unique talents. I cannot play tennis, and I am confident Venus cannot whip a slave into shape.
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Hi Eb,
Eb said
As for economics, what does that have to do with anything? I have a successful career, so my subs should be successful too. Submissive men just happen to be very successful men for the most part. That is icing on the cake.
I wasn't very clear. It wasn't just money I was talking about, though I do believe a reasonably good domme would more easily be able to support herself exclusively through her subs; indeed, you said your males were reasonably well off.
What I meant is to refer to an 'economy', the supply and demand for dommes, in particular. That vastly favors the domme, even the stupid or the butt ugly, in my opinion. A person with gifts such as yours is even more rare. Surely you could get a 100 applicants overnight?
The supply and demand of female subs for males doms, is, I think a different picture; outside of a few celebs, I just don't think most doms can sort through 30 to get 3, as you say you do. Further, as evidenced in these boards, many female subs are insistent on true love and monogamy; some male doms may not offer this, and would pay a price (loss of subs) that no domme would in the analogous situation. [To put it more clearly, I submit that the dom who gets over eager for a harem, i.e., plays around, is more likely to end up with NO sub(s)--or lots of headaches-- than is a domme who's building a stable of her subs.] Such is my impression. I'd like to hear yours.
Best,
J
Eb said
As for economics, what does that have to do with anything? I have a successful career, so my subs should be successful too. Submissive men just happen to be very successful men for the most part. That is icing on the cake.
I wasn't very clear. It wasn't just money I was talking about, though I do believe a reasonably good domme would more easily be able to support herself exclusively through her subs; indeed, you said your males were reasonably well off.
What I meant is to refer to an 'economy', the supply and demand for dommes, in particular. That vastly favors the domme, even the stupid or the butt ugly, in my opinion. A person with gifts such as yours is even more rare. Surely you could get a 100 applicants overnight?
The supply and demand of female subs for males doms, is, I think a different picture; outside of a few celebs, I just don't think most doms can sort through 30 to get 3, as you say you do. Further, as evidenced in these boards, many female subs are insistent on true love and monogamy; some male doms may not offer this, and would pay a price (loss of subs) that no domme would in the analogous situation. [To put it more clearly, I submit that the dom who gets over eager for a harem, i.e., plays around, is more likely to end up with NO sub(s)--or lots of headaches-- than is a domme who's building a stable of her subs.] Such is my impression. I'd like to hear yours.
Best,
J
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Ebonyfire said:
lol...that I believe.
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Ebonyfire said:
lol... you can keep trying.
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P. B. Walker said:lol... you can keep trying.
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