Castration arrests in U.S.

[O'Mac]

I have an issue with this whole subject...

Now most people would probably agree that I have a fairly liberal point of view when it comes to what people should be allowed to do to themselves. As pointed out in the initial post, the participants in this case all took part in the procedure willingly and without any sort of coercion as far as I can tell. Now, I wouldn't have so much of a problem if we were talking about a few tattoos or piercings. After all, a little body modification can do a person good in many ways emotionally or mentally. However, in this case, I think it must be brought into question the mental capacity of those involved and whether or not they were of an adequete capability to allow such a thing to occur.

I'm not generalising anyone who would do this as insane, but let's look at the facts. In Canada I've been told if a person goes to a doctor for any form of extensive plastic surgery, they must first be sent for a psychiatric evaluation to ensure that the patient is not suffering from any harmful psychosis or disorder. Surely that could very well be the case in this instance? I mean with the sort of medical risks they were running, is it not plausible to suggest their mental state was tenious to begin with?

 

[Etoile]

Hmmm...I wonder if testosterone replacement therapy is beneficial to someone who has been involuntarily castrated. If so, I wonder if sexual predators who have been ordered to be castrated are not allowed to obtain it.

 

[John Doe]

Hmmm...I wonder if testosterone replacement therapy is beneficial to someone who has been involuntarily castrated. If so, I wonder if sexual predators who have been ordered to be castrated are not allowed to obtain it.

Castration would only work if the offences were sexually motivated. Things like pedophilia and rape are not sexually motivated, so castration does nothing to 'cure' such sex offenders.

Although castration probably wouldn't curb recidivism of public urination either, but for different reasons.

 

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bump...

 

[DVS]

I know rape isn't sexually motivated, but isn't pedophillia? In a rape, the victim can actually be beaten, or even killed. It's a power thing, in rape. You don't hear any of that sort of thing with pedophillia. I thought they just have a strange sexual nature that causes them to be attracted to young boys and girls. Maybe it's their imature mental minds, or something.

I've added a link. . Maybe this helps explain.

 

[FurryFury]

I think nearly everything is sexually motivated to a point. I mean I think that is one of the major drives of most human beings. I believe it comes out in an incredible number of ways.

However, having been sexually, mentally and physically abused as a child and again as an adult, I will say that to me it seems to be about pseudo power for the perpetrator as well. These people are almost always extremely insecure though they may not project such a demeanor. One of the ways they can feel powerful is to attempt to control another.

Pedophilia is by definition, rape. I consider rape and pedophilia, both, to be motivated by sexual desire and the desire for power over another.

Of course only if another truly consents to it can they be wholly controlled IMO. Otherwise, it's a just wait and see, don't turn your back kind of thing.

In the news today, I saw that some states are looking at using the death penalty for some convicted child molester cases now. I read that today on AOL.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/wider-death-penalty-sought/20070207094209990001?cid=2359

I haven't gotten around to reading the newspapers the past couple of days. I've been too busy.

The idea is that the death penalty will be a deterrent and cost effective. Sadly, the way we do the death penalty in the states it is not either of those things.

Fury

 

[lil_slave_rose]

I know rape isn't sexually motivated, but isn't pedophillia? In a rape, the victim can actually be beaten, or even killed. It's a power thing, in rape. You don't hear any of that sort of thing with pedophillia. I thought they just have a strange sexual nature that causes them to be attracted to young boys and girls. Maybe it's their imature mental minds, or something.

I've added a link. . Maybe this helps explain.

pedophilia IS sexually motivated, and it's considered a mental condition in alot of places. there are places for these people to get help, and once gotten help the recidivism rate goes way down. i'm not standing up for child molesters i just happen to have alot of facts about them because when my daughter was molested by my boyfriend (at the time he was my boyfriend) i educated myself on pedophiles and child molesters, and yes, there is a difference between those two...anyway...all i was posting to say was that it IS sexually motivated and that MOST of the time, the perpetrators actually CARE about the victim, as sick and strange as that may sound. *shrugs* don't flame me for my post because you'll get no answer in return...all that i've said can be verified by websites and such ......

 

[lil_slave_rose]

I think nearly everything is sexually motivated to a point. I mean I think that is one of the major drives of most human beings. I believe it comes out in an incredible number of ways.

However, having been sexually, mentally and physically abused as a child and again as an adult, I will say that to me it seems to be about pseudo power for the perpetrator as well. These people are almost always extremely insecure though they may not project such a demeanor. One of the ways they can feel powerful is to attempt to control another.

Pedophilia is by definition, rape. I consider rape and pedophilia, both, to be motivated by sexual desire and the desire for power over another.

Of course only if another truly consents to it can they be wholly controlled IMO. Otherwise, it's a just wait and see, don't turn your back kind of thing.

In the news today, I saw that some states are looking at using the death penalty for some convicted child molester cases now. I read that today on AOL.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/wider-death-penalty-sought/20070207094209990001?cid=2359

I haven't gotten around to reading the newspapers the past couple of days. I've been too busy.

The idea is that the death penalty will be a deterrent and cost effective. Sadly, the way we do the death penalty in the states it is not either of those things.

Fury

the death penalty for these kinds of cases seems entirely too extreme for me. but i'm not a big fan of the death penalty anyway. i think instead of killing them, or letting them serve their time and then letting them go out and then wondering why they do it again when they get NO help, we should have more 'sex offender programs' they have a great one in Minnesota. and it's a live in kind of program for 2 years, you live in the facility, have counsling and the sort, then after 2 years if they feel you've progressed you then go to live in housing that is still IN the facility BUT it is your own house, apartment, etc.. where you live with a 'roommate' get a job outside of the facility and such. after 3 years of that then you are released with supervision into the big world where you hopefully do not repeat the offense. and amazingly those who have gone through the program 85% of them never re-offended. why? because they were given help and ways to deal with their urges..that's why. this to me is a better solution than just throwing them back out into the public and then whining when they do it all over again. they are offered no help, no hope, nothing and then we wonder why it happens over again. prison is kinder to them. and again, i will not respond to anyone flaming me for the way i feel, and before anyone says 'well you've obviously never been molested or had someone you loved be molested' yes i was molested and yes i have had someone i love be molested, but instead of holding a grudge and hating the perpetrators i educated myself on the 'why' and 'how to "fix" the problem' negativity has no place in my life and resentment and grudge just cause my life to be unhappy...*shrugs*

 

[FurryFury]

the death penalty for these kinds of cases seems entirely too extreme for me. but i'm not a big fan of the death penalty anyway. i think instead of killing them, or letting them serve their time and then letting them go out and then wondering why they do it again when they get NO help, we should have more 'sex offender programs' they have a great one in Minnesota. and it's a live in kind of program for 2 years, you live in the facility, have counsling and the sort, then after 2 years if they feel you've progressed you then go to live in housing that is still IN the facility BUT it is your own house, apartment, etc.. where you live with a 'roommate' get a job outside of the facility and such. after 3 years of that then you are released with supervision into the big world where you hopefully do not repeat the offense. and amazingly those who have gone through the program 85% of them never re-offended. why? because they were given help and ways to deal with their urges..that's why. this to me is a better solution than just throwing them back out into the public and then whining when they do it all over again. they are offered no help, no hope, nothing and then we wonder why it happens over again. prison is kinder to them. and again, i will not respond to anyone flaming me for the way i feel, and before anyone says 'well you've obviously never been molested or had someone you loved be molested' yes i was molested and yes i have had someone i love be molested, but instead of holding a grudge and hating the perpetrators i educated myself on the 'why' and 'how to "fix" the problem' negativity has no place in my life and resentment and grudge just cause my life to be unhappy...*shrugs*

I wasn't aware there were any treatments or programs that had success rates at all. This is interesting.

Fury

 

[Netzach]

I do have to say on revisiting this it's interesting that a man or a woman can go into a doctor's office, ask for their nose to be sliced up the septum, bulk and cartilege removed from it and have it stiched down again. A person can get the fat suctioned out of her ass and a handful will die from complications over this.

But a guy chopping a winkie is unthinkable.

I still don't find it especially OK or SM relevant when done unsafely at home, but it's interesting.

 

[FurryFury]

I do have to say on revisiting this it's interesting that a man or a woman can go into a doctor's office, ask for their nose to be sliced up the septum, bulk and cartilege removed from it and have it stiched down again. A person can get the fat suctioned out of her ass and a handful will die from complications over this.

But a guy chopping a winkie is unthinkable.

I still don't find it especially OK or SM relevant when done unsafely at home, but it's interesting.

I agree with you there.

Fury