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LOL I have that one too...
Hmmmmm Try here...
http://phillips.personal.nccu.edu.tw/seet/etarot.html
It has some good links if I remember correctly
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LOL I have that one too...
Hmmmmm Try here...
http://phillips.personal.nccu.edu.tw/seet/etarot.html
It has some good links if I remember correctly
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EKVITKAR said:
Thank you EKVITKAR the Shakespeare Eclectic Erotic Tarot was very appealing, much stonger color and definition of line. Not sure if I was doing it right but I didn't seem to get past those. I did note however the Author asking for links specificly to Erotic Tarot resources. Sounds like perhaps you might be perfect to help out in that Department .......smiles.
I have only ever had one sincere Tarot reading done and I went with an open mind and by reference . It was a crock of ..........laughs. I left on the day quite solemn and 'newly aware' . It was the in 'hindsight' part that it seemed a frivilous waste of money to have paid for. I can't say that of the notion of time however I enjoyed the ritual, concentration and I'll admit it, the one to one attention.
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Hmmm .....Divulging a bit more of my checkered and eclectic past....
I have over the years..Had a variety of readings done... Via a variety of methods and persons... SOme of which, I was pretty sure couldn't find their ass with both hands in the present... Much less anything.... Oh I suppose transcendant is a good word... Others of which have been downright scary.
I have never paid for one though..
*shrug*
Which is all a lead in to...
Having a modicum of experience on both sides of the cards... I periodicly entertain the notion of constructing my own deck.
However, it always struck me that a deck that is exclusively erotic in focus pretty much defeats the purpose...
Though it's a lot of fun.
In the end .......Symbols have the meaning you give them.
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I talked to one who was into it on the internet. He's now in jail for kidnapping, torture, attempted cannibalism, murder and the sort for his 10 year old victim.
Of course, his victim was not consensual. I have also came across one who told of how "when it came time for his sub to go" about how it would be done. This person I would assume to be more rational with his sub. The "time to go" referenced in his post would be when she would be diagnosed with a terminal cancer or some other disease that was incurable and terminal. He also reported to have written down how it was done but promptly got rid of it.
This stuff is extreme but very dangerous with the law.
Of course, his victim was not consensual. I have also came across one who told of how "when it came time for his sub to go" about how it would be done. This person I would assume to be more rational with his sub. The "time to go" referenced in his post would be when she would be diagnosed with a terminal cancer or some other disease that was incurable and terminal. He also reported to have written down how it was done but promptly got rid of it.
This stuff is extreme but very dangerous with the law.
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I love Dolcett, and have openly confessed to it for years. What bothers me is the assumption that anyone who is a fan must be sick in the head, thus why so many are probably reluctant to come forward when ever the topic is approached.catalina_francisco said:Is anyone into Dolcett girls, or identify as one? It seems it is not as rare as it once was, and we have come across one or two online who profess to be very committed to the most extreme ends of it. Not sure I would be willing to go that far, lol pretty sure I wouldn't actually, but the genre which has evolved from Dolcett art and grown to include some other artists is both intriguing and an aphrodesiac when in the right mindset and mood to enjoy it. I imagine it is not favourably viewed by everyone, but there does seem to be a huge following within the BDSM community, though many will not openly admit it. Does it repulse or turn you on, or is it something that does neither? Is there more to consider than it being a subculture within the lifestyle? Would you date someone who was a fan?
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One thing I have found quite interesting is that several who object to his work will happily admit that they have asphyxiation, incest, and/or rape fantasies in another breath.
They are often the same ones who will argue how horrible those comics are because they encourage people to actually go out and do that stuff, yet if this is the logic we follow then couldn't we also assert that every single woman who has gotten moist from the thought of being voilently forced to spread their legs must really intend to put themselves in that situation? Or that every single man who gets an erection from reading or writing rape stories is just so twisted that they will not be able to physically or mentally prevent themselves from indulging? Will everyone who has a wet dream about their sister or brother go out and fuck them?
I can't say I forsee myself requesting a mate to skewer me anytime soon, but I do and probably always will enjoy Dolcett's work. If anyone was to not date me based on what art and literature prefer, then audieus to them.
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Xelebes said:
Xelebes .....the 'one' you are refering to .......Is that the Sam Manzies Case, the teenager who murdered Eddie Werner ?
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sincerely_helene said:
I wouldn't 'judge' someone as being 'sick in the head' just because they found Dolcett's work appealing. Takes a huge leap from admiring his genre to being a psychopath Helena in my eyes.
Have you really had people with an aversion to knowing/dating you because they were aware you like Dolcetts's work ?
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EKVITKAR said:
Left off commenting on your post EKVITKAR because I was doing a bit of a trip down memory lane. I had a Master once who was a believer in aspects of Wiccan philosophy, something I knew virtually nothing of. He never insisted I hold the same beliefs as him but confessed he would be pleased if I would learn about it.
Having a mutual friend who is a long term practioner of Wicca ( I hadn't know that originally, something she kept very private ) and also a submissive helped as there was someone I already trusted to give me some insight. I really quite liked doing candle circles etc on the rare occasion but my hands on experience really stopped there. I wasn't expecting to conjur great changes for my Master but a form of centred meditation on him in a pleasant and planned environment was both focusing and calming for me. Can't imagine to much wrong with that. I must laugh remembering going into different stores and asking the sales reps whether they had certain colored candles. It just didn't sound 'right'....lol . These were not new age stores more 'home decorator'......."ermm I need one black candle, a pink a light blue "....... your picturing this ? I have gone the full circle here.....alluding back to your comments "modicum of experience on both sides of the cards, I guess I try and keep an open mind about alternate 'cultures/traditions ' but if it doesn't speak to my 'instincts' I seem to quietly let it go. The only exception being runes I have had for years and I swear I really only like them because the stones are tactile ( soft , smooth and cold at first ) and have been with me a long time.
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sincerely_helene said:
Such is the fickleness and duality of humans. For some, I think fantasising is one thing....it is closed away, out of sight of prying eyes, can be denied. Seeing the same thing in tangible form such as a comic etc., appears to be more confronting and something which makes denial difficult to conjure up convincingly so better to get rid of it, condemn it, than take the chance and be thought of as a freak or unsavoury character. IMHO it comes back to fear, similar to gays who put down being gay and gay culture, African Americans who through history informed on their own, Jews who helped lead the Nazis to other Jews in hiding...there seems to be a need to try and remove oneself from what one is while knowing it is impossible.
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Not at all! I was just answering Catalina's question. There are plenty other more legit reasons not to date me without that being a factor.@}-}rebecca---- said:
I can't say anyone has intentionally put me down based on my preferences, but I have occasionally experienced bad talk from those unaware I'm one of those "freaks" of whom they speak. I don't think there is anything wrong with voicing an opinion, but sometimes it is taken to such an insulting degree that it is hard to not take it personally even if it is not purposely directed at you.
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Indeed.catalina_francisco said:Such is the fickleness and duality of humans. For some, I think fantasising is one thing....it is closed away, out of sight of prying eyes, can be denied. Seeing the same thing in tangible form such as a comic etc., appears to be more confronting and something which makes denial difficult to conjure up convincingly so better to get rid of it, condemn it, than take the chance and be thought of as a freak or unsavoury character. IMHO it comes back to fear, similar to gays who put down being gay and gay culture, African Americans who through history informed on their own, Jews who helped lead the Nazis to other Jews in hiding...there seems to be a need to try and remove oneself from what one is while knowing it is impossible.
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I think I have every picture Dolcett ever published--although most of them are of poor quality. I've enjoyed his work for years, as fantasy fodder, snuff is hot to me, but no I'd never go there in real life. Far too much excruciating pain involved. I'm running into more and more women online who claim they want to be barbecued for real (one of the main forms of snuff/torture Dolcett depicted--and for years you'd only see sub men claim to want this), but I believe that for the most part these are people intensely in love with a thrilling fantasy--I dobut they'd go through with it. I frequently run into Dolcett-style sadists online--they've always been around. Again, I don't know how much of what they say is real or not, but I expect most of it is bark, not bite. But it's not something I'd care to test empirically, if you know what I mean. 
Part of his art does have a strong comedic aspect: the whole thing of we're just a totally normal middle-class suburban Americans who do all the regular stuff except that we will barebecue our wives live at the drop of a hat and they'll quite willing and happily go through with it. His torturers and victims are totally normal ,friendly, decent people, who say extremely banal things and act in very socially accepted ways--except for this one tiny little deviation.
My favorite cartoon by Dolcett was the one where a woman comes to some sort of Lion's club luncheon to drop off something for an organizer, and, because the scheduled entertainer didn't show up for some reason, she is very nicely talked into being the volunteer who will be electrocted slowly in a chair, naked. She doesn't really want this, but her protests are pretty mild, as Dolcett women never fight back much against their terrible fates. She does call her husband to make sure it's OK with him and he's totally fine about it, glad to help out the community and contribute to the fund-raising effort, they discuss some banal "Don't forget to pick up the kids from school, dear" stuff, and then the rest of the cartoon is devoted to her rather slow and very gruesome, but still, strangely exciting death.
I don't see any Dolcett images in this thread, and I'm not exactly surprised as most are quite extreme, but here's a link to probably the best-known online archives of his work, with one of his most famous drawings animated on the front page:
http://www.necrobabes.org/dolcett/main.htm
Part of his art does have a strong comedic aspect: the whole thing of we're just a totally normal middle-class suburban Americans who do all the regular stuff except that we will barebecue our wives live at the drop of a hat and they'll quite willing and happily go through with it. His torturers and victims are totally normal ,friendly, decent people, who say extremely banal things and act in very socially accepted ways--except for this one tiny little deviation.
My favorite cartoon by Dolcett was the one where a woman comes to some sort of Lion's club luncheon to drop off something for an organizer, and, because the scheduled entertainer didn't show up for some reason, she is very nicely talked into being the volunteer who will be electrocted slowly in a chair, naked. She doesn't really want this, but her protests are pretty mild, as Dolcett women never fight back much against their terrible fates. She does call her husband to make sure it's OK with him and he's totally fine about it, glad to help out the community and contribute to the fund-raising effort, they discuss some banal "Don't forget to pick up the kids from school, dear" stuff, and then the rest of the cartoon is devoted to her rather slow and very gruesome, but still, strangely exciting death.
I don't see any Dolcett images in this thread, and I'm not exactly surprised as most are quite extreme, but here's a link to probably the best-known online archives of his work, with one of his most famous drawings animated on the front page:
http://www.necrobabes.org/dolcett/main.htm
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Reality Check............
NON BDSM or D/s related site incorporating reality of potential death and pornography
click here
Stumbled across this yesterday in fact , disturbing and quite real...............
Included it because it has two common factors with the above to me , that is its pornographic and it shows woman on the 'fast track' to death.
NON BDSM or D/s related site incorporating reality of potential death and pornography
click here
Stumbled across this yesterday in fact , disturbing and quite real...............
Included it because it has two common factors with the above to me , that is its pornographic and it shows woman on the 'fast track' to death.
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Bump...?
I am new here but if I may? I liked some of Dolcet's early work but not the snuff or impossible tortures. Others think differently, I know.
We very much like Farrell's humilation drawings in which clothed women look on. Often, these onlooking women have bare tits with nipples up or have an hand at their cunts.
We very much like Farrell's humilation drawings in which clothed women look on. Often, these onlooking women have bare tits with nipples up or have an hand at their cunts.
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The (few) people who like Dolcett, like it because it's not real. All of the women depicted are healthy, and retain their natural shapes and figures in the drawings. People are shocked at the idea of eating someone (gynecophagia) -but all that's in the drawings is the idea, not reality.
The reality of cooking someone would make just anyone sick. I've had the unfortunate experience of being around people in different states of "dead", and trust me, there is nothing at all in Dolcett's drawings remotely like what real death is. The people who are turned on by them are affected by the "extreme" part of the notion -not by the actual death/eating part.
A lot of the pictures show a girl being "hanged", but she's drawn like a normal, healthy person. What really happens is the neck typically telescopes and estra four to six inches. Rather disgusting, but you'd probably be more disgusted by the tongue which bloats to about three times it's normal size, and protrudes from the mouth. Typically people froth at the mouth as well. Their face blows up like a balloon, and turns purple, then a sickly grayish blue. Their eyes roll into their head, and they bleed from the sockets. They don't look human. Most people's reaction to a real hanging is to vomit. If Dolcett drew like that, no one would be interested.
It's like playing a "rape" scene in "normal" BDSM. It's not a real rape; it's a game. Dolcett is exciting for those who like it, because they like the excitement, the anticipation, the horror, and most certainly the taboo of the subject. It's a more elaborate and sexy version of a horror film.
The reality of cooking someone would make just anyone sick. I've had the unfortunate experience of being around people in different states of "dead", and trust me, there is nothing at all in Dolcett's drawings remotely like what real death is. The people who are turned on by them are affected by the "extreme" part of the notion -not by the actual death/eating part.
A lot of the pictures show a girl being "hanged", but she's drawn like a normal, healthy person. What really happens is the neck typically telescopes and estra four to six inches. Rather disgusting, but you'd probably be more disgusted by the tongue which bloats to about three times it's normal size, and protrudes from the mouth. Typically people froth at the mouth as well. Their face blows up like a balloon, and turns purple, then a sickly grayish blue. Their eyes roll into their head, and they bleed from the sockets. They don't look human. Most people's reaction to a real hanging is to vomit. If Dolcett drew like that, no one would be interested.
It's like playing a "rape" scene in "normal" BDSM. It's not a real rape; it's a game. Dolcett is exciting for those who like it, because they like the excitement, the anticipation, the horror, and most certainly the taboo of the subject. It's a more elaborate and sexy version of a horror film.
