Drugs in SSC

[catalina_francisco]

I find it interesting that there's much less resistance to alcohol in a sexual context than to drugs. Alcohol is equally addictive, it's just as damaging to your sanity, etc. Why is it okay for people to have drunk sex but not high sex?

Not for me...I find them equally unOK.

Catalina

 

[graceanne]

I find it interesting that there's much less resistance to alcohol in a sexual context than to drugs. Alcohol is equally addictive, it's just as damaging to your sanity, etc. Why is it okay for people to have drunk sex but not high sex?

I've had nothing to say to this thread, then I was scanning down, looking at the threads that had been recently posted on, and thought 'what about alcohol'. LOL Great minds and all that.

Alcohol is, technically, a drug. Just because it's legal doesn't make it NOT a drug. Alcohol, like drugs, is addictive for some and not for others. It impairs your reactions, your thinking, and your inhibitions. Eventually, if used in large quantity for long periods of time, it will kill your health, too.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I actually have problems with smoking as well as not only is it addictive, (and gives me severe alergic reactions most days) but it does create chemical reactions within the body which are also mind altering....but that one is usually acceptable to most.

Catalina

 

[graceanne]

I actually have problems with smoking as well as not only is it addictive, (and gives me severe alergic reactions most days) but it does create chemical reactions within the body which are also mind altering....but that one is usually acceptable to most.

Catalina

Well, I don't smoke. I don't need problems like that. K smokes, and has for 25 years. I want him to quit, but I don't want to have child services involved in our lives more. He's getting a new med at the beginning of the year that's supposed to help him quit and keep him MARRIED.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Well, I don't smoke. I don't need problems like that. K smokes, and has for 25 years. I want him to quit, but I don't want to have child services involved in our lives more. He's getting a new med at the beginning of the year that's supposed to help him quit and keep him MARRIED.

Yep, I don't smoke either and F has fallen into it once again and isn't ready to quit as yet so I try and live with it. Fortunately he goes outside to smoke, but if he comes near me within 30 minutes of smoking I can become totally incapacitated depending on how heavily he has been smoking. It is becoming a very real issue for me when I go outside anywhere. Did a 3 hour walking and photo trek last week without a problem until I passed a smoker on the corner of our street and by the time I got to our door I didn't have the strength to open it and my chest was in so much pain it felt it was going to explode...same thing happened yesterday when we took a quick trip to the electronics outlet and people we passed were smoking...I ended up having to dive into an empty garage and doubled over leaning on a post until I could go on but not free of the pain of difficulty with breathing.

Catalina

 

[Homburg]

I find it interesting that there's much less resistance to alcohol in a sexual context than to drugs. Alcohol is equally addictive, it's just as damaging to your sanity, etc. Why is it okay for people to have drunk sex but not high sex?

Well, noting my own words on that, I don't personally do drunk sex, nor will I play with anyone that I consider to be drunk.

That said, I would state a difference between drunk/high sex and drunk/high play. Drunk/high sex is no big deal. Drunk/high play is a no-go. I don't personally see all that much difference between incompetent because of drug consumption and incompetent because of alcohol consumption. Either can make a top or bottom too dangerous to play with. No thanks.

 

[Xantu]

fantasy best kept as fantasy

Unless you seriously seek pure self destruction, this is the stuff of dreams and bubble baths. Chemical addiction is exchanging your submission to a person for submission to a drug. Your primary relationship would be to a molecular compound and what it does to your neuron receptors. Somehow that does not appeal.

One time I shared a 'funny' cigarette with a nice guy at a Frank Zappa concert. Nothing "bad" happened but I have absolutely no memory of seeing Frank Zappa and now he's dead. For me its about what you have to lose.

Have fun in that bubble bath girl.

Xantu

 

[Etoile]

Unless you seriously seek pure self destruction, this is the stuff of dreams and bubble baths. Chemical addiction is exchanging your submission to a person for submission to a drug. Your primary relationship would be to a molecular compound and what it does to your neuron receptors. Somehow that does not appeal.

One time I shared a 'funny' cigarette with a nice guy at a Frank Zappa concert. Nothing "bad" happened but I have absolutely no memory of seeing Frank Zappa and now he's dead. For me its about what you have to lose.

Have fun in that bubble bath girl.

Xantu

I just want to chime in again to say that I don't think doing recreational drugs is a bad thing. I have dozens of pothead friends, I've done it more than a couple of times myself. Their "primary relationship" is not with the drug, it's with their family and friends. The hardest I've done is LSD a handful of times, and I'm far from addicted to it or ruined by it.

I don't want this thread to tread into the realm of "drugs are bad, period" - it's about drugs and kink play, not drugs and life.

 

[Homburg]

I just want to chime in again to say that I don't think doing recreational drugs is a bad thing. I have dozens of pothead friends, I've done it more than a couple of times myself. Their "primary relationship" is not with the drug, it's with their family and friends. The hardest I've done is LSD a handful of times, and I'm far from addicted to it or ruined by it.

I don't want this thread to tread into the realm of "drugs are bad, period" - it's about drugs and kink play, not drugs and life.

Not that I'm a "drugs are bad" guy regardless of how much I personally eschew them, but, um, this thread is about fantasies involving the ugly, destructive side of drug abuse, not just drug use itself.

Hypos, shaved heads, and dissolution is not potheads and LSD, and nothing is friendly and not-bad about slipping someone a mickey.

 

[Incompleteidea]

Really? It’s the taboo of it all is my guess. I can’t speak for the person that posted but I know the excitement in the idea lies almost souly in its forbiddances. Its how much one has to loose that is -in a perverse way- the turn on. Yes alcohol and smoking are just as addictive, just as harmful and if anything more dangerous to the common society than some of the drugs mentioned in this thread. But when one thinks of the image of a drunk (though most are all too aware this isn’t correct) one thinks of the ‘fat bald guy on a bar stool that hasn’t shaved in a week’. While, when one thinks of a drug addict, it can bring up images of coked out models in their high stupor or dirty whores in their nod. Our society has made drug addiction the quintessential sexy taboo.

I’m not for play times while impaired. Personally the only two nights a year I get fashinkered is Passover, and I haven’t touched an illegal substance sense college. But I can see the allure to the fantasy. I mean being made in to a dirty whore in every sense of the word feeds in to soo many of my kinks. Doing something so naughty and dangerous as to risk it all (even incarceration). The bad girl I’ve suppressed for years quivers in anticipation, while the good girl hopes for a spanking i'ed recieve by getting caught.

Yes we’re all talking about VERY scary hurtful ideas here. (And I am in NO means suggesting mickys) But (and here’s a question only formed out of curiosity –and maybe a bit of controversy) how is wanting to let go this much so disgusting? How is it any different from vanilla suburban moms -who’s never thought about being tied up and led on leash- thinking about being spanked by her all too submissive husbands for the first time? I mean to say… We try to so hard to keep our selves safe in this lifestyle thou those out side it see it as dangerous and taboo. Why is it so wrong for us to think of something that would stretch our boundaries into a land we deem as unsafe? We are talking about fantasies here.

Instead of being hung up on the drugs are bad feeling why not ask why this person feels the need to be drugged. It seems to me this fantasy is has so much more to do about the taboo side effects then the drugs themselves… and by all means I do support someone in finding SAFE non illegal ways to satisfy those needs. Just as I would suggest the nilla wife get a good spanking to satisfy hers.

 

[catalina_francisco]

If we are going to take it into reality realms, being rational the truth is if you were taken to the point of addiction etc., I daresay you wouldn't be in a state capable of deriving any shivers of pleasure from what had been done to you. More than likely all you would be thinking of was your next fix, where and when, and how, and pleasure would be a thing of the distant past. Even in the realms of humiliation, degradation and objectification I can't see it having any impact or working, so no, taking such a fantasy to reality I would think would not only be foolish but a complete waste of time if getting your thrills fed was the ultimate goal. I won't even go into the long term damage and struggle to get clean and stay drug free if it ever happened you survived long enough to consider that an option.

Catalina

 

[Primalex]

The hardest I've done is LSD a handful of times, and I'm far from addicted to it or ruined by it.

I don't want this thread to tread into the realm of "drugs are bad, period" - it's about drugs and kink play, not drugs and life.

Unfortunately, what is true for life, is also true for play - play is _life_. The chance for permanent damage with the first intake of LSD is 3/1000. If you advocate LSD, then you shouldn't mind unprotected sex with strangers either. Despite this, I think it's much worse to mess with the mind than it is with the body - even with HIV I would still be the person I am, but what purpose has my body, my whole life, when I turned into a driveling idiot?

 

[Primalex]

I wonder how this would translate into a safe, sane, and consensual relationship. Probably the date rape drug would be the most reasonable -- no permanent chemical dependency. But what about real addiction? Is it too scary? A line we shouldn't cross?

I would like to add another option:

Your body is already addicted to several mundane things, for example water/fluids or food. If your dom completely controls and restricts these resources, you will sooner or later do everything for a "fix".

 

[Netzach]

I find it interesting that there's much less resistance to alcohol in a sexual context than to drugs. Alcohol is equally addictive, it's just as damaging to your sanity, etc. Why is it okay for people to have drunk sex but not high sex?

Oh this one is popular. Just look up "forced intox"

how many of these people develop a serious alcohol problem from doing a scene based around it? Few, I'm sure.

How many HAVE a serious problem and want to sexualize it? Again a good handful, I'm sure. I think that's an inalienable right pesonally, to do what you want with your issues.

How many people find the idea of being turned into a drooling incapacitated passed out drunk while a (beautiful woman, gang of men, hot four titted alien take your pick) has its way with you and does whatever it wants with you....

a lot.

 

[Homburg]

How many people find the idea of being turned into a drooling incapacitated passed out drunk while a (beautiful woman, gang of men, hot four titted alien take your pick) has its way with you and does whatever it wants with you....

a lot.

Can I just sign on to watch the hot four-titted alien action?

 

[Netzach]

Can I just sign on to watch the hot four-titted alien action?

Hardcore geek.

 

[Etoile]

Unfortunately, what is true for life, is also true for play - play is _life_. The chance for permanent damage with the first intake of LSD is 3/1000. If you advocate LSD, then you shouldn't mind unprotected sex with strangers either. Despite this, I think it's much worse to mess with the mind than it is with the body - even with HIV I would still be the person I am, but what purpose has my body, my whole life, when I turned into a driveling idiot?

You're missing my point, unfortunately. My point is that using drugs recreationally does not guarantee you will be turned into a driveling idiot. That's what I saw presented from the post I was responding to, and - once again - I know a number of friends who are into various substances, and none of them are driveling idiots.

My point is that this isn't a Nancy Reagan "War on Drugs" thread. If my view that there is a place in some lives for certain illegal drugs is unwelcome, I am fine with removing myself, but that's not what I thought the thread was about.

 

[Netzach]

You're missing my point, unfortunately. My point is that using drugs recreationally does not guarantee you will be turned into a driveling idiot. That's what I saw presented from the post I was responding to, and - once again - I know a number of friends who are into various substances, and none of them are driveling idiots.

My point is that this isn't a Nancy Reagan "War on Drugs" thread. If my view that there is a place in some lives for certain illegal drugs is unwelcome, I am fine with removing myself, but that's not what I thought the thread was about.

I agree it's not about that. However it's not about the casual use of substances and a given scene, it's about the subject matter of addiction and destruction in one's (fantasy) life and the context of a scene/ power dynamic.

I still come down on the side of it's your body, it's your bliss. Jumping out of planes for fun, petting siberian tigers, driving 120, people do a lot of things that are far WORSE ideas than doing some shrooms on the beach.

But again, it's not about let's do shrooms on the beach, the real heart of the question to me seems to be about the seductive appeal of giving yourself over to someone's power so enormously that you're entertaining what happens when your best interest is NOT the driving force. In a really obvious and clear way.

I've played in this pool, the fantasy and the setup of "forced" intoxication. The force aspect is minimal. I will not play with people who are drunk or high, but if you want to have a scene purely around the concept of drunk or high that's another issue in a way - then it becomes a kind of sensory dep. "I'm going to get drunk and you can beat me" is not interesting to me. "I'm going to get drunk and then I know you're going to fuck with my head" is another matter, and one where I may make the exception if the scenario pushes my buttons right.

Like I said, I support people doing what THEY want with their problems and hang ups - sometimes it's the way people work through their own shit. I'm very above board about the fact that your best interest is not perpetually of interest to me, and you ARE taking risks if you want to enter this territory with me and that it is your idea, not mine. I draw a large screaming yellow cross at your own risk line. Some people step over it and some don't.

I've enjoyed the resulting scenes. Because I am a sadist.

 

[graceanne]

I would like to add another option:

Your body is already addicted to several mundane things, for example water/fluids or food. If your dom completely controls and restricts these resources, you will sooner or later do everything for a "fix".

Ok, I know I'm being argumentative, but the human body quickly can get used to not eating. Give it a week with no food and you will stop feeling hunger pains. *shrugs*

 

[Homburg]

Hardcore geek.

I resemble that remark.


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My point is that this isn't a Nancy Reagan "War on Drugs" thread. If my view that there is a place in some lives for certain illegal drugs is unwelcome, I am fine with removing myself, but that's not what I thought the thread was about.

I was driving along today thinking about Nancy Reagan, D/g relationships, and what Ronnie used to call old Nancy....

I'm one of those "Legalise drugs" freaks. I despise the assault on civil liberties that is the War on Drugs. I'd rather deal with the societal fallout than see my grandparents almost lose their farm because their neighbour's pot farm crept across the property line. Weeds respect property rights, after all.

 

[graceanne]

[rant and a hijack]The whole drug thing is one of the reasons I'm seriously considering re-registering as 'independent'. Both Republicans and Democrats CLAIM that they just want the govt to stay out of our business, but in truth they just want differ in where they want the governmental control. For instance Democrats want gun control, republicans want stronger drug laws. It's bullshit. [/rant and hijack]