Feedback requested for 8letters' "Comforting My Little Sister"

Twice, someone has wanted to discuss this story in another feedback thread, so I decided to create a thread of its own.

Story: Here

Length: 8 LitE pages (almost 29k words)

Category: Incest

Extended Author's Notes: Here

In my next post, I'm going to list some things that I'd like your thoughts on. But please read the story first before reading that.

Also, don't worry about being too critical. I much more interested in what you think I should do better in the next story than what you think I did right.

I read it and found much of the same as comment board posters did, although I read those after I read the story.

Sometimes I comment generally and sometimes I give author's examples with my comments. I've mixed the above two approaches to follow. But first, the general assessment.

On the whole, you have a LOT more positives weighing in your favor than negatives: it appears your character development is good; timing and progression seem to fit the story--and the story isn't too short nor too long; you show the maturing process for all the characters primarily involved--Jared, Michelle & Chris--to the point when Chris and Jared meet toward the end, they're changing their minds and acting on that. Humor seemed appropriate and your funniest part was Chris antagonizing the telemarketer sexually. When we end the story, we aren't thinking Chris was a wham-bam guy and Michelle was a child that couldn't decide what she wanted.

Biggest things to improve upon: eliminate redundancies and move some expository paragraphs to where they fit. I felt the flow improved dramatically from pages 6-8 while certainly 1-3 dragged and I explain that because repeating certain words and having the "backstory" split forced my brain to assemble the distant and disparate pieces. It may be that feeling that sticks with readers (as it stuck with me) because several commented on the same repetition/redundancy issue that hindered the natural flow. Even how the story began felt puerile and certainly unpolished. So now, I'll list the specifics for whatever way they can assist you in polishing this.

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“Comforting My Little Sister”

I knew Michelle was upset by the way she had addressed me. Normally, she used my full first name Christopher and said it in a way that mocked the pretentiousness of using such a long first name. It was a little joke between us. When I had been old enough to understand what pretentiousness was, I had switched to using Chris. Only family called me Christopher.

--Immediately replace “pretentiousness” with a pronoun, thus “When I had been old enough to understand what *it* was…

From the way Michelle had asked, she had sounded in pain. Taking her to work would be a hassle, but I felt I couldn't tell her no.

--You established she’s in pain, so eliminate or restate if you think it’s absolutely needed.

After a while, Michelle said, "The back strokes feel so good. Can I borrow a pillow?"

--She already said, “that feels nice,” so eliminate. These may be indicative samples of what another poster called “redundancy.”

"He slapped me."

"Holy shit, Michelle. He slapped you? What an asshole! Do you want me to teach him a lesson?"

"Calm down. All I want you to do is listen."

"You could press charges..."

This confused me; it’s a leap for a character to want to “teach him a lesson” for one slap, then she tells him to listen and he continues to now want to turn him in to the police? My mind asked “why did he slap you?” or “what precipitated the slap?” You do explain this later, however and so I would move up the explanation about Jared’s abuse under that, then that prefaces her brother’s reaction to want to “hunt Jared down” or “press charges.”

When Michelle says, “Support me in dealing with him in the way I think is best” by wanting to talk to Jared--established as a harasser and abusive/controlling, that’s going to alarm many readers.

Consolidate Jared’s description when we first learn of him being a bouncer, as seeing it later makes us wonder why we weren’t already told.

When we got to the library, Michelle said, "Don't do anything stupid. Don't get in a fight with him. Don't even call him a name."

--Michelle’s annoying now.

He yelled back from the family room, "I'm doing nothing wrong."

Jared entering without permission would likely still be considered B&E many places. Have him dial immediately after the first warning, because it makes him appear very weak.

--Now Chris convincing Michelle she’s pretty and getting instant validation the next day is a nice and plausible touch; the fact she recognizes the abuse and leaves raises the estimation of her character, too.

"Okay. I decided to check Facebook for the first time in a while. I was curious to see how Jared's friends were reacting to our breaking up. They were all supportive of Jared, telling him it was great that he had finally dumped the stupid bitch.

--Very typical and realistic: good idea to use what is very real-life example--especially to show Jared’s friends as abusers too. This also builds sympathy.

"Tits aren't everything." I shook my head. "If I had a magic wand and could give Gina your body, I would."

--Must be one of your bits of humor. It did make me laugh, because I immediately pictured Gina murdering him if she discovered he did it!

"Well, I did talk to my manager on Wednesday like you suggested and we did come up with a plan.”

--Reasonably done and it concluded with some humor. Nice touch.

“Then Gina dumped me.”

--Gina’s reason appears thin; just because she has a better time talking to a guy she dumps him? I would have said include something about the way he kissed and him being much better in bed and include some description but it wouldn’t have to go overboard.

--You provide a reasonable time period for Chris and Michelle to grow closer and several of the events you include add to this.

“I didn't go to Gina's work after closing up.”

--He already broke up with her, so mentioning this can become a head-scratcher.

“Why did Michelle want me to feel her up?”

--She already explained why but what confuses me is Chris said he did/said those things to help her feel better. It’s a plus he’s examining his attraction to her and why, expressing the reluctance of moving ahead...so move on and develop the relationship more without overanalyzing.

"How much does Michelle miss me?"

"Miss you?" Time for some revenge on the asshole. "She doesn't miss you at all. I can't think of the last time she mentioned you."

That pissed him off.

--You used short sentences well here to increase the emotive impact. Great!

--Now, if Chris really wanted to exact revenge on Jared, he could have taken the 74 pics to the police as harassment. Why? You state Chris wanted revenge and did so by poking Jared verbally. Why not really lower the boom on him with this proof? He didn’t solicit the pics and had a history of harassing Michelle, so why not nail him? This contradicts the character’s position.

In the morning when we woke up, I checked in with Michelle. "You still feeling okay about what I did last night? I didn't push things too far?"

--Good “recrimination” check. Feels natural in this progression.

"I'd like...I'd like to do another frigid check."

--I like she gives him permission, as Chris seems quite clueless with her. At the same time, some may think he should know what pleases her and not ask permission for everything he’s certain about because it’s established she likes all the things he’s done so far.

"That Jared would send them to some website to publish. That guys all around the world would then jack off to pictures of me.”

--Very reasonable and we understand why she exploded with Chris.

--Michelle grows as a character because she’s comfortable enough with Chris to explain each picture. That’s normally VERY private and generally only a very self-assured person would do this.

--I did find Chris speaking sexually to the telemarketer funny!

“We need to get back to making you cum."

--Michelle thinking of his release proves touching. When explained about Jared and the “love trials,” how you placed that explanation fit well in the story and with her and Chris’s relationship.

--Chris bargaining with Jared on the videos portray Chris as suddenly savvy. The haggling appears plausible and you provide Michelle closure. Good execution and nice touch with Chris helping Jared afterwards.

--She communicates well with Chris about what she likes during sex. Good idea.
 
What I find odd is incest stories where the main characters constantly call each other "Big Bro", "Big Sis", "Little Bro" and "Little Sis". If Jane is John's little sister, then saying "Jane" implies "Little Sis".


A variant on the pet name thing, maybe; or the writer reinforcing the sibling relationship? Or a brother in between two sisters? Or a sister close to her brother. My son, for example, always greets his sister, "hey sis"; she always greets him with his family pet name (which she gave him when she was two and couldn't pronounce his real name).

You're applying a very strict logic that "little sister = Jane" means you only need to use the name. I'm saying siblings, in my experience (being one, and observing other families), tend to use pet names or nick names when talking directly to their brothers and sisters; their real names when talking about them to others, or when introductions are being made:

"Joe, meet my little sis, Mary. Mabs, met Joe, who I mentioned the other day."

"Oh, you mean Jimmy Joe?"

"Yep, that's the one."

Siblings are generally more informal than formal, I find.
 
Comentarista82, thanks for the very detailed feedback. I will respond. I can't right now because I'm in the middle of some writing I want to get done first.
 
Comentarista82, thanks again for the detailed feedback. You gave me lots to respond to. If I don't respond to one of your points, it's because I agree with it.

I knew Michelle was upset by the way she had addressed me. Normally, she used my full first name Christopher and said it in a way that mocked the pretentiousness of using such a long first name. It was a little joke between us. When I had been old enough to understand what pretentiousness was, I had switched to using Chris. Only family called me Christopher.

--Immediately replace “pretentiousness” with a pronoun, thus “When I had been old enough to understand what *it* was…
I tried replacing "pretentiousness" with a pronoun and couldn't figure out how to make it work. In your suggestion, "it" could refer to anything.

This confused me; it’s a leap for a character to want to “teach him a lesson” for one slap, then she tells him to listen and he continues to now want to turn him in to the police? My mind asked “why did he slap you?” or “what precipitated the slap?” You do explain this later, however and so I would move up the explanation about Jared’s abuse under that, then that prefaces her brother’s reaction to want to “hunt Jared down” or “press charges.”
When Christopher hears his sister's been slapped, his first thought is to do something, to right the wrong. Why she was slapped is immaterial to him. There's nothing that would justify Jared slapping her.

He yelled back from the family room, "I'm doing nothing wrong."

Jared entering without permission would likely still be considered B&E many places. Have him dial immediately after the first warning, because it makes him appear very weak.
The threat of calling the police to me is a hollow one. My impression is that police HATE being involved in anything they consider a domestic/family quarrel. There's no evidence that Jared broke into the house. It's Jared's word vs Christopher's. When the cops show up, they're going to try to convince Christopher to not file anything.

“Then Gina dumped me.”

--Gina’s reason appears thin; just because she has a better time talking to a guy she dumps him? I would have said include something about the way he kissed and him being much better in bed and include some description but it wouldn’t have to go overboard.
As one commenter said, Gina might as well be a piece of furniture. She's not important to the story so I didn't spend a lot of time on her. Should I have written more? Would having a more detailed reason for the break improve the story? Probably. However, she wasn't a character I was interested in spending time thinking about.

--Now, if Chris really wanted to exact revenge on Jared, he could have taken the 74 pics to the police as harassment. Why? You state Chris wanted revenge and did so by poking Jared verbally. Why not really lower the boom on him with this proof? He didn’t solicit the pics and had a history of harassing Michelle, so why not nail him? This contradicts the character’s position.
Chris can't go to the police, only Michelle can. Michelle has no interest in doing so. She just wants to move on.

--I did find Chris speaking sexually to the telemarketer funny!
Glad to hear it.

Biggest things to improve upon: eliminate redundancies and move some expository paragraphs to where they fit. I felt the flow improved dramatically from pages 6-8 while certainly 1-3 dragged and I explain that because repeating certain words and having the "backstory" split forced my brain to assemble the distant and disparate pieces. It may be that feeling that sticks with readers (as it stuck with me) because several commented on the same repetition/redundancy issue that hindered the natural flow. Even how the story began felt puerile and certainly unpolished.
Good summary of the issues. I think the way the story was structured made it more vulnerable to the problem of redundancy. But I'll keep an eye out for that issue in my next story.
 
electricblue66 said:
The hands down sexiest women I have ever known, thinking about it, have all, without exception, been tall, slim, with virtually no breasts. I find them to be way hotter than big boobed girls. My own personal taste seems to be shorter slim women 5'4" - 5'6", if my history is anything to go by (which i assume it is!)
Thinking more on this, your history isn't a good one to go by. The most common bra cup size in porn is B, followed by C, D and DD (link). The website Boobpedia starts at C cup.
 
I think EB's point was that he thought Michelle, as a flat-chested girl, was sexy. Or maybe that her status as a flat chested girl did not preclude her from being sexy. Unless I completely missed something.
 
8letters wrote:
> What I find odd is incest stories where the main characters constantly call each other
> "Big Bro", "Big Sis", "Little Bro" and "Little Sis". If Jane is John's little sister, then
> saying "Jane" implies "Little Sis".

I always assumed that was to trigger the 'kink' factor in readers.
The time to embrace the kink is when the couple is having sex. Have them embrace the kink for some hot dirty talk.

You like sucking on your big sister's tits? Haven't you always wanted to suck on them? Are you ready to fuck your big sis?

Doing it during normal conversation IMHO makes the story seem more implausible as I don't know anyone (and I live in the US and not Australia) that refers to their sibling as "sis" or "bro".
 
The time to embrace the kink is when the couple is having sex. Have them embrace the kink for some hot dirty talk.

You like sucking on your big sister's tits? Haven't you always wanted to suck on them? Are you ready to fuck your big sis?

Fully, fully agreed.

Technically, my siblings and I do call each other sister and brother, but only because we are quoting Arrested Development ("Hey Brother!"). It's a joke, and not one that would contribute to anything raunchy.
 
Comentarista82, thanks again for the detailed feedback. You gave me lots to respond to. If I don't respond to one of your points, it's because I agree with it.


I tried replacing "pretentiousness" with a pronoun and couldn't figure out how to make it work. In your suggestion, "it" could refer to anything.

Then for this one point, restructure the paragraph and link the two sentences with a semicolon and that way your antecedent (pretentiousness and set off with quotes) is immediately before so the reader would easily understand. I could have thought of a better way to do it, too--you're right since "it" could refer to anything. "Oy vey" on me. :rolleyes:

So perhaps with

I knew Michelle was upset by the way she had addressed me. Normally, she used my full first name Christopher and said it in a way that mocked the pretentiousness of using such a long first name. It was a little joke between us. When I had been old enough to understand what pretentiousness was, I had switched to using Chris. Only family called me Christopher.

--Normally, she used my full first name Christopher and said it in a way that mocked the "pretentiousness" of using such a long name; when I had been old enough to understand what that word was, I had switched to using Chris. It was a joke between us: only family called me Christopher.

Perhaps that would work better.

Regarding Chris warning Jared, it's not a hollow threat in TX; in fact if you're in the country, and you tell someone to get off your property, you can be shot and the police won't charge the property owner. Now as for what the statutes may be in the city I'm not sure...but if someone's on your property without your permission, you tell them to leave and they don't...don't be surprised if a Texan doesn't fill a guy's rump with buckshot. :eek: Now I don't recall if a state was mentioned where the story took place, but in TX during the day someone's in your house or on your property without your permission, they can be shot and wounded for sure once you tell them to leave and they don't.

Hey, anything that you can use and found helpful, great. :D
 
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Thinking more on this, your history isn't a good one to go by. The most common bra cup size in porn is B, followed by C, D and DD (link). The website Boobpedia starts at C cup.

Who is interested in any "norm" for women being established by porn? Your comment explains why you thought the flat chested Michelle was so "noteworthy", if your idea of "hot" is porn star tits.

Give me a real woman, for chrissake, not some silicon plastic barby doll construction. For me, the porn cliche is the least sexy woman imaginable. Why on earth is bra and cup size so important? I just don't get it.
 
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