Florida Governor Ron DeSantis Shows NY, NJ, CA How to Manage Covid Right

[BabyBoomer50s]

Testing and contact tracing weren’t widespread enough in April and May 2020 for there to be sufficient data. Why was that, exactly?

As I suspected, there’s no data to back the assertion. Since there’s no data, the assertion must be true. Lol.

We have plenty of data on cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita by state. We also have no shortage of economic data. The Covid data provided in the WSJ is widely available in many other places. Most of it comes from the CDC. It clearly shows that Florida’s Covid death toll per capita has been significantly lower than NY, NJ, CA and other severe lockdown states. At the same time, it’s schools and businesses have been more open and it’s residents have enjoyed more freedoms and suffered far less financial devastation. The good news is other states, even blue states, are following Florida’s example and opening back up.

 

[phrodeau]

Because the CDC told Trump, "We got this," then promptly stepped on its dick multiple times, producing only contaminated test kits. Seems the CDC was too busy worrying about bullying, trannies and guns to be bothered to keep their labs tidy for trifles like actual diseases.

Right, the days of Mike Pence’s Task Force.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Florida has prioritized the elderly and vulnerable that comprise 80% of Covid deaths. It’s absurd to move young, healthy teachers to the front of the line ahead of grocery store workers and other public facing workers.

I guess Desantis is absurd then.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Is that port-side-speak for "my, Bud, you were right all along"?

Ha! You dumb twat. You linked articles that predates COVID by almost 2 years. They were posted during 45's administration.

 

[phrodeau]

As I suspected, there’s no data to back the assertion. Since there’s no data, the assertion must be true. Lol.

We have plenty of data on cases, hospitalizations, and deaths per capita by state. We also have no shortage of economic data. The Covid data provided in the WSJ is widely available in many other places. Most of it comes from the CDC. It clearly shows that Florida’s Covid death toll per capita has been significantly lower than NY, NJ, CA and other severe lockdown states. At the same time, it’s schools and businesses have been more open and it’s residents have enjoyed more freedoms and suffered far less financial devastation. The good news is other states, even blue states, are following Florida’s example and opening back up.

The case data shows NY peaking in early April and January, while FL peaks were mid-July and January, and the peak intensities are nearly identical between the two states. FL death count is lower than NY because NY had the early surge before treatments were improved.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The case data shows NY peaking in early April and January, while FL peaks were mid-July and January, and the peak intensities are nearly identical between the two states. FL death count is lower than NY because NY had the early surge before treatments were improved.

The early surge created by Cuomo shipping Covid patients into nursing homes. No way to spin this although I admire your efforts. NY is a train wreck.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Data please?

Bad faith "sealioning" question aside, here's some data for you.

Trumps insistence on "no contact tracing" as part of his "magical thinking" mitigation not-plan precludes hard data that you seek (as you no doubt well know). Cell phone usage data from visitors to South Florida show a pretty clear picture that spring breakers seeded their own super spreader events.

No need to apologize, we recognize your need to deflect from the core issue.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Bad faith "sealioning" question aside, here's some data for you.

Trumps insistence on "no contact tracing" as part of his "magical thinking" mitigation not-plan precludes hard data that you seek (as you no doubt well know). Cell phone usage data from visitors to South Florida show a pretty clear picture that spring breakers seeded their own super spreader events.

No need to apologize, we recognize your need to deflect from the core issue.

So you’re saying that spring breakers are the reason that states like NY and NJ have suffered more than 1,000 deaths per million than Florida. That makes no sense. I guess those spring breakers are also the reason New York’s economy is performing so badly compared to Florida’s as well! Keep spinning amigo. Lol.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What a shit show this thread is.

Arguing about which Governor fucked up the least. You have a half million people dead, ALL your government fucked up.


At every level!!!

Arguing about the degree of each individual fuck ups, well that's pretty fucking stupid, but then again look who started the thread....

You want to see how it should have been done, look to Taiwan, or Australia, or New Zealand.

All the big countries fucked up, Canada, UK, France, Germany...., and of course the good old US of A leading the pack by leaps and bounds....

 

[Lazaran]

What a shit show this thread is.

Arguing about which Governor fucked up the least. You have a half million people dead, ALL your government fucked up.


At every level!!!

Arguing about the degree of each individual fuck ups, well that's pretty fucking stupid, but then again look who started the thread....

You want to see how it should have been done, look to Taiwan, or Australia, or New Zealand.

All the big countries fucked up, Canada, UK, France, Germany...., and of course the good old US of A leading the pack by leaps and bounds....

Vectors created by travel and commerce made the US and other 1st world countries particularly susceptible to Covid.

Trump and republicans dismantled the governmental apparati designed to provide early warning and communication related to infectious diseases, including the state department and the NSC pandemic unit. That, combined with Trump's lying about the serious nature of the virus, and his role as denier/propagandist in chief regarding how to effectively combat Covid, exacerbated the problems in the US.

Trump left the door open from Europe to New York, so I give Cuomo and other east coast transportation hubs a bit of a pass. They were put in a tough spot by Trumps's incompetence and pre-pandemic weakening of the countries defenses.

In short; I think it's fair to qualify who is primarily responsible for the Covid numbers in the US. I'm sure this applies to other 1st world countries as well. Boris Johnson didn't exactly cover himself in glory in his handling of the crisis. Although he did seem to take it more seriously after he contracted the virus himself.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Vectors created by travel and commerce made the US and other 1st world countries particularly susceptible to Covid.

Trump and republicans dismantled the governmental apparati designed to provide early warning and communication related to infectious diseases, including the state department and the NSC pandemic unit. That, combined with Trump's lying about the serious nature of the virus, and his role as denier/propagandist in chief regarding how to effectively combat Covid, exacerbated the problems in the US.

Trump left the door open from Europe to New York, so I give Cuomo and other east coast transportation hubs a bit of a pass. They were put in a tough spot by Trumps's incompetence and pre-pandemic weakening of the countries defenses.

In short; I think it's fair to qualify who is primarily responsible for the Covid numbers in the US. I'm sure this applies to other 1st world countries as well. Boris Johnson didn't exactly cover himself in glory in his handling of the crisis. Although he did seem to take it more seriously after he contracted the virus himself.

Trump, nor Boris, nor Trudeau, nor ( insert countries leader name here)....could not on their own be singularly responsible. They were backed up by other's, in all levels of government, from the Feds, to the State ( in the USA) to the municipal mayors.

All government had a role and responsibility in this, and they all fucked up to one degree or the other.

My point is: it is very stupid to argue who fucked up the least...or the most. 530,000+ people in the US are dead, people are arguing about my guy only killed 10,000. Seems like a pretty stupid debate.

 

[KeithD]

Nope, Trump and his demonstrated attitude and withholding of help controlled the fuckup.

Happily, Biden and company are getting this cleaned up. The unnecessary deaths are all on Trump's account.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Texts show Manatee COVID-19 vaccine site was set up to help DeSantis’ reelection

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

What a shit show this thread is.

Arguing about which Governor fucked up the least. You have a half million people dead, ALL your government fucked up.


At every level!!!

Arguing about the degree of each individual fuck ups, well that's pretty fucking stupid, but then again look who started the thread....

You want to see how it should have been done, look to Taiwan, or Australia, or New Zealand.

All the big countries fucked up, Canada, UK, France, Germany...., and of course the good old US of A leading the pack by leaps and bounds....

Unlike the 3 countries you mention, Americans will not allow the government to monitor their personal cell phone location data, set up roadblocks to enforce stay at home orders, or force people who test positive into government quarantine facilities. Solitary confinement and privacy intrusions are effective, but that’s not how we roll in the USA.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Unlike the 3 countries you mention, Americans will not allow the government to monitor their personal cell phone location data, set up roadblocks to enforce stay at home orders, or force people who test positive into government quarantine facilities. Solitary confinement and privacy intrusions are effective, but that’s not how we roll in the USA.

What type of deflection is that?

Fuck, I expect a bit better from you than a Bobo.

Go back to arguing about which of your Governors caused the least amount of "needless" deaths....

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Tale of 2 states.

Deaths per million
NY 2505
FL 1486

Unemployment
NY 8.7 (rank 48)
FL 5.2 (rank 19)

Open?
FL Yes
NY No

 

[spacekowboy]

Who gives a fuck? It's a state full of rednecks and retirees.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Tale of 2 states.

Deaths per million
NY 2505
FL 1486

Unemployment
NY 8.7 (rank 48)
FL 5.2 (rank 19)

Open?
FL Yes
NY No

Florida Infections 1.95 million
New York Infections 1.7 million

How is NY closed?

 

[spacekowboy]

Also, DeSantis is the modern version of W.J. Lepetomane.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Florida Infections 1.95 million
New York Infections 1.7 million

How is NY closed?

Do you understand the concept of per capita? And the difference between a positive PCR test and a death? Regarding current NY closures, I’ll refer you to the state website. If you go back over headlines over the past year, you’ll discover a dramatic difference between the restrictions in NY vs. Florida.

 

[Manny39]

Excellent piece in today’s Wall Street Journal comparing Florida’s handling of Covid-19 to failed states such as New York, New Jersey, and California. Some highlights:

- A year after the virus hit the U.S., Mr. Cuomo’s luster has faded, and Mr. DeSantis can claim vindication. The Sunshine State appears to have weathered the pandemic better than others like New York and California, which stayed locked down harder and longer.

- More than 80% of Covid deaths in the U.S. have occurred among seniors over 65. Based on demographics, Florida’s per-capita Covid death rate would be expected to be one of the highest in the country.

- Nope. Florida’s death rate is in the middle of the pack and only slightly higher than in California, which has a much younger population. Florida’s death rate among seniors is about 20% lower than California’s and 50% lower than New York’s, based on Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data.

- Mr. DeSantis took a smarter approach. His administration halted outside visitations to nursing homes and bolstered their stockpile of personal protective equipment. Florida’s government also set up 23 Covid-dedicated nursing centers for elderly patients discharged from hospitals. Nursing-home residents who tested positive and couldn’t be isolated in their facilities were sent to these Covid-only wards. Florida set up field hospitals to handle a surge in cases that models predicted in the spring, although it never materialized.

- Like most governors, Mr. DeSantis shut down most businesses when President Trump issued guidelines for a national lockdown on March 16. “We did the 15 days to slow the spread,” Mr. DeSantis says. The governor kept restrictions on “nonessential” businesses for several more weeks, but he let more places stay open than other states, including child-care facilities, construction sites, hotels and beaches. National media published photos of crowded Florida beaches. “DeSantis in Florida let everybody go crazy over spring break,” CNN’s Chris Cuomo, the New York governor’s brother, said in June. “He then exported all that virus back to wherever—wherever they wanted to go, OK?”

- But Florida’s infection rate during April stayed on par with California, where most beaches and residential construction were restricted.

- Florida began a phased reopening in early May, allowing restaurants, barbershops, nail salons, gyms and other retailers to operate initially at 50% capacity provided they follow social-distancing and sanitary protocols. Bars and pubs were later allowed to open at 50% capacity, and limits for other businesses were increased.
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- Mr. DeSantis also let theme parks—important Florida employers and tourist attractions—reopen at reduced capacity. SeaWorld Orlando and Universal Studios reopened in June. Disney World’s reopening soon followed. California’s government still hasn’t allowed the Disneyland or Universal Studios theme parks to reopen.
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- Florida’s cases started climbing in June as people socialized more, including at graduation parties, summer cookouts and on Father’s Day. Experts and the media castigated the governor for reopening too fast and too soon. “Despite the guidelines and the recommendations to open up carefully and prudently, some states skipped over those and just opened up too quickly,” the National Institutes of Health’s Anthony Fauci said in July. “Certainly Florida I know, you know, I think jumped over a couple of checkpoints.”

- But cases spiked across the Sun Belt, including in California, which maintained much stricter business restrictions. Still, political pressure intensified on Mr. DeSantis to shut down his state again. He refused. “I’m like, ‘No, we’re not going to lock down. It doesn’t work. It compounds problems,’*” he says. The virus is not “going to be governed by simply closing someone’s business, or not letting people go to work.

- In late July, cases in Florida and across the Sun Belt began to fall.

- In September Mr. DeSantis lifted capacity restrictions on restaurants and bars. He also overrode local jurisdictions that tried to keep them closed. “We said every business has the right to operate; you cannot close anything. Everyone has the right to work. You have to let people earn a living,” he says. Mr. DeSantis also required local school districts to offer in-person instruction five days a week in the fall, though parents could choose remote learning instead. “The union sued us, but we beat them in court.”

- Teachers unions in large school districts in California, meanwhile, have refused to return to classrooms. They claim schools are unsafe. But per capita Covid cases among children are about the same in Florida and California.

- When cases began to rise again in the fall, Democratic governors like Mr. Cuomo and California’s Gavin Newsom tightened business shutdowns and even sought to limit Thanksgiving gatherings to 10 people. Mr. Cuomo griped that police weren’t strictly enforcing his household limits.

- The fall and winter lockdowns don’t appear to have made any difference in the virus spread. Between Nov. 1 and Feb. 28, there were 5.8 new cases per 100 people in New York, 6.4 in California, and only 5 in Florida, where businesses could stay open at full capacity. But the economic impact of the lockdowns has been enormous.

- Employment declined by 4.6% in Florida in 2020, compared with 8% in California and 10.4% in New York. Leisure and hospitality jobs fell 15% in Florida, vs. 30% in California and 39% in New York.

- Florida’s freedom has drawn people and economic activity to the state. It ranked third among “U-Haul Migration Growth States” for one-way rentals. While travel is still lower than it was last year, several airlines including Southwest, Spirit and United have added direct flights to Florida this winter.

- According to Census Bureau data, Florida’s per capita business formation between April 2020 and January 2021 was twice as high as California’s and 75% higher than New York’s.

- Florida’s economy shrank only 3.7% in the third quarter of 2020 from the fourth quarter in 2019, according to data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, compared with 4.9% for California and 8% for New York. The latter states probably took even bigger economic hits in the fourth quarter when they shut down.

- Real estate across the state is booming. Home sales increased 20% in the last six months of 2020 year over year, while the median sales price rose 14.4%. Construction wages and salaries during the third quarter were 3.2% higher in Florida year over year but 4.8% lower in California and 9.3% lower in New York.

- The lesson of Florida’s Covid success story, according to the governor: “We’ve shown people that you can have a good time, you can be safe, and you can make the decision that’s best for you.” What has Andrew Cuomo learned?

Lol yeah right! We'll never know how many people died in Florida because they hid the statistics, fired the person who they hired to collect the statistics, tried to put her in jail for attempting to publish the data, then stopped collecting the data at all.

Nothing this state has done with COVID has been safe. What a snow job.

 

[Manny39]

Who gives a fuck? It's a state full of rednecks and retirees.

Got that right, I used to live there. Fortunately I got out 21 years ago and I've never looked back!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Lol yeah right! We'll never know how many people died in Florida because they hid the statistics, fired the person who they hired to collect the statistics, tried to put her in jail for attempting to publish the data, then stopped collecting the data at all.

Nothing this state has done with COVID has been safe. What a snow job.

Rebekah Jones?

 

[Manny39]

Rebekah Jones?

Yep, more integrity than all the Republic politicians in Florida.

Definitely more than DeSantis

 

[pecksniff]

I guess Desantis is absurd then.

He would baffle Tristan Tzara.