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[AsylumSeeker]

Wait a Sec...

Hmmm, thinking I'm missing the point here, thought it was about grammar...

 

[meg1]

You can not ask for a thread to be 'closed'. The most you can hope for is that people finally start ignoring it and the thread 'dies' (but it will always be out there for others to see if they want to browse).

Basically, if you are ashamed of what you've written, you shouldn't have written it in the first place. You always have the optioin of going back and deletiing what you've said and putting <edited> or **** in the place of words so that people know you've deleted your original message.

The fact of the matter is, you have not listened to a single person here. You've cut quotes and broken them down to make yourself look like a martyr and there is no one here who will buy that. But what we are saying is that we are just people, we do not control the writers here. You were the one who said that you believed in free speech. Why is it you think that we should somehow force writers to give us their stories?

Do you even read the threads in the forums that you 'hijack'? Do you realize that for every volunteer editor there are at least three writers looking for an editor? You are so high and mighty, but I've never seen you posting anything about offering to help others.

I wish they could close threads too, and I don't blame you for being ashamed of what you've written here. You are picking on people who want nothing more than to help others. We get no pay, yet we still devote hours and hours a week to helping the writers here put out the very best story they can.

AS: An 'editor' is someone hired by the site owners to help look over stories as they are submitted. It is not their job to correct any of those works, just simply to see if the stories are suitable for submission. A 'volunteer editor' is someone who volunteers their time to help authors make their stories as perfect as possible for submission.

I think it was SR that said he thought bots did some of the reading? I think you are right. I, of course, would have no way of knowing for fact. However, I can tell you that my first couple of submissions each took over a week to post and had something like 6 readers before posting. The last few submissions were posted without me ever seeing that a single reader saw them before hand.

 

[Fantasies_only]

You can not ask for a thread to be 'closed'. The most you can hope for is that people finally start ignoring it and the thread 'dies' (but it will always be out there for others to see if they want to browse).

Basically, if you are ashamed of what you've written, you shouldn't have written it in the first place. You always have the optioin of going back and deletiing what you've said and putting <edited> or **** in the place of words so that people know you've deleted your original message.

The fact of the matter is, you have not listened to a single person here. You've cut quotes and broken them down to make yourself look like a martyr and there is no one here who will buy that. But what we are saying is that we are just people, we do not control the writers here. You were the one who said that you believed in free speech. Why is it you think that we should somehow force writers to give us their stories?

Do you even read the threads in the forums that you 'hijack'? Do you realize that for every volunteer editor there are at least three writers looking for an editor? You are so high and mighty, but I've never seen you posting anything about offering to help others.

I wish they could close threads too, and I don't blame you for being ashamed of what you've written here. You are picking on people who want nothing more than to help others. We get no pay, yet we still devote hours and hours a week to helping the writers here put out the very best story they can.

AS: An 'editor' is someone hired by the site owners to help look over stories as they are submitted. It is not their job to correct any of those works, just simply to see if the stories are suitable for submission. A 'volunteer editor' is someone who volunteers their time to help authors make their stories as perfect as possible for submission.

I think it was SR that said he thought bots did some of the reading? I think you are right. I, of course, would have no way of knowing for fact. However, I can tell you that my first couple of submissions each took over a week to post and had something like 6 readers before posting. The last few submissions were posted without me ever seeing that a single reader saw them before hand.

If you don't get that I was being helpful, and don't get me, then the hell with you.
I am not ashamed of what I have written.
I have asked for this thead closed because it was getting out of control, and now it is out of control.
I cut quotes because either the rest of the post is not relivant to my response, or is just too damn long.
I am not the bully here, I am the victim, and should not have to appologize for something I haven't done.

This conversation is over!

 

[AsylumSeeker]

I was here this morning and was going to add to this thread then decided not to because I wasn't sure if I should share what I know. Laurel shared information with me and I didn't feel completely free in revealing it, but I don't think it's any secret as far as she is concerned. It won't stop the Iranians from seeking a nuclear bomb, won't prevent IEDs in Iraq, and won't even prevent the elevation of gas prices in the world. But it may enlighten a few at Lit.

In a candid conversation I had with Laurel recently, who is a wonderful person by the way, I discovered that Lit is a one-woman show. No prisoners on work-release chained to computers, no sexy, long-legged interns in short skirts, no half-naked men (not including Manu)... just Laurel. We didn't discuss her tools, but I'm sure she has some software "assistants".

I am very thankful for her, and for Manu, although I've never communicated with him. But here we have a couple that have provided a means for people to share their thoughts, their desires, their fantasies, in varying forms of completeness.

FO, accept the site for what it is. It's not about perfection despite what you may seek, it's not about anything except a small slice of opportunity for people to express themselves, and in my mind you can't put a price tag on that.

Happy independence day, a day late. I'm so grateful for the hard-won freedoms we enjoy this weekend. And many thanks to those who sacrifice all they do to man the walls I once manned.

FO, I don't know you. In all probability you're a nice guy who had something to vent, and I've done the same thing. And then the thread went in a direction you hadn't anticipated. Been there, done that. Meg is a really good person, but she gets very defensive when it comes to dissing VEs who do what they do for no pay, and I can't find any fault with her for that.

I guess what I'm saying is to just accept Lit for what it is, and be thankful you have the means to read the thoughts, desires, and fantasies of others, no matter the editorial condition in which they are presented.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

[sethp]

How did a gerund manage to traumatize you badly? They're such charming little words.

lol...anything grammatical traumatizes me! Editors are like super heros, in that they always come to save the day from the evil doings of morphology and syntax. Editors often fight the good fight against phonetics, phonology, semantics, and pragmatics.

Without the kind words of wisdom and the gentle advice and the near superhuman strength it seems to take to pull my stories up from the gutter, I would be a schmuck. Thank you oh wonderful volunteer editors and proofreaders of Lit! Thank you!

 

[Guest]

I was here this morning and was going to add to this thread then decided not to because I wasn't sure if I should share what I know. Laurel shared information with me and I didn't feel completely free in revealing it, but I don't think it's any secret as far as she is concerned. It won't stop the Iranians from seeking a nuclear bomb, won't prevent IEDs in Iraq, and won't even prevent the elevation of gas prices in the world. But it may enlighten a few at Lit.

In a candid conversation I had with Laurel recently, who is a wonderful person by the way, I discovered that Lit is a one-woman show. No prisoners on work-release chained to computers, no sexy, long-legged interns in short skirts, no half-naked men (not including Manu)... just Laurel. We didn't discuss her tools, but I'm sure she has some software "assistants".

I am very thankful for her, and for Manu, although I've never communicated with him. But here we have a couple that have provided a means for people to share their thoughts, their desires, their fantasies, in varying forms of completeness.

FO, accept the site for what it is. It's not about perfection despite what you may seek, it's not about anything except a small slice of opportunity for people to express themselves, and in my mind you can't put a price tag on that.

Happy independence day, a day late. I'm so grateful for the hard-won freedoms we enjoy this weekend. And many thanks to those who sacrifice all they do to man the walls I once manned.

FO, I don't know you. In all probability you're a nice guy who had something to vent, and I've done the same thing. And then the thread went in a direction you hadn't anticipated. Been there, done that. Meg is a really good person, but she gets very defensive when it comes to dissing VEs who do what they do for no pay, and I can't find any fault with her for that.

I guess what I'm saying is to just accept Lit for what it is, and be thankful you have the means to read the thoughts, desires, and fantasies of others, no matter the editorial condition in which they are presented.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Excellent post.

(Wow - this thread was such a clusterfuck!)

 

[freshface]

lol...anything grammatical traumatizes me! Editors are like super heros, in that they always come to save the day from the evil doings of morphology and syntax. Editors often fight the good fight against phonetics, phonology, semantics, and pragmatics.

Without the kind words of wisdom and the gentle advice and the near superhuman strength it seems to take to pull my stories up from the gutter, I would be a schmuck. Thank you oh wonderful volunteer editors and proofreaders of Lit! Thank you!

Unless you also have someone editing your posts, you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. You have a good vocabulary, decent grammar, and express yourself well. Agreed that a good editor can do a world of good for me too, but you seem to do fine for yourself.

I admit that I'm always nervous posting here. I have this vision of a room full of English teachers, all with their red pens out as they catalogue my sins...

 

[sethp]

Unless you also have someone editing your posts, you shouldn't be so hard on yourself. You have a good vocabulary, decent grammar, and express yourself well. Agreed that a good editor can do a world of good for me too, but you seem to do fine for yourself.

I admit that I'm always nervous posting here. I have this vision of a room full of English teachers, all with their red pens out as they catalogue my sins...

Exactly! lol I get roasted on my forum posts quite often, by said english teachers with red pens! It's the stories that I truly worry about though. I couldn't even spell the word editor when I submitted my first story here! Now I wouldn't think to submit a story without one.

Thanks for your reply!

 

[meg1]

lol....i doubt anyone is doing that....i stopped rereading my posts a long time ago....i'm lazy in the threads and generally just type as fast as i can....i feel like i'm going above and beyond by not typing "ur gr8" *shudders* *winks*

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Excellent post.

(Wow - this thread was such a clusterfuck!)

This thread took on a life of its own through, I'm guessing, misinterpretation of ideas.

Thanks for your thanks, and the pretty pixelated rose. I merely said what I thought needed to be said at a time that was most opportune.

There are bigger chickens to pluck out there.

 

[Torditundra]

Neophyte seeks advice

As a neophyte in this arena, I am putting forward a general question: Is there any way of correcting typos in submissions after they have been posted? I am so often irked by unnecessary typos in text I am reading supposedly for personal pleasure, such as all the "and"s instead of "an"; confusion between advice and advise; ensure vs insure vs assure; lose vs loose; to vs too; off vs of; ad infinitum. It all smacks of a lack of is nowadays referred to as "proofreading". When I was a boy, proofreading was comparing the galley proofs against the manuscript to ensure that the author's intention was religiously reflected.
I would be quite happy to pick them up, flag them for correction and throw them back at someone. Pity, someones are somewhat sparse on the ground.
I accept that North American English (Canadian and USA) differs from other accepted English dialects (Indian; Australian; current received UK; King's English; etc.), or the international English in which I have to work (UN-speak; thank goodness I have avoided EU-speak).
I am also thrown off-balance by the odd past participles that still exist in the USA, such as dove as the PP of to dive; fit instead of fitted; and various others.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Yes

As a neophyte in this arena, I am putting forward a general question: Is there any way of correcting typos in submissions after they have been posted? I am so often irked by unnecessary typos in text I am reading supposedly for personal pleasure, such as all the "and"s instead of "an"; confusion between advice and advise; ensure vs insure vs assure; lose vs loose; to vs too; off vs of; ad infinitum. It all smacks of a lack of is nowadays referred to as "proofreading". When I was a boy, proofreading was comparing the galley proofs against the manuscript to ensure that the author's intention was religiously reflected.
I would be quite happy to pick them up, flag them for correction and throw them back at someone. Pity, someones are somewhat sparse on the ground.
I accept that North American English (Canadian and USA) differs from other accepted English dialects (Indian; Australian; current received UK; King's English; etc.), or the international English in which I have to work (UN-speak; thank goodness I have avoided EU-speak).
I am also thrown off-balance by the odd past participles that still exist in the USA, such as dove as the PP of to dive; fit instead of fitted; and various others.

A story can be edited and resubmitted. All that is required is to resubmit with EDITED in the title area so Laurel knows your intentions.

Hope this helps.

And yes, I agree, I have edited stories from different parts of the world and have sometimes been conflicted in my suggestions as my perspective is American, yet the writer may be from Britain, etc. Have no answer there except to ask the writer how they prefer the story to be edited.

 

[Torditundra]

Resumission of stories

Who takes the decision to resubmit a story? I as a reader can hardly do so. Should my quibbles be addressed to the author?
What is the appropriate etiquette?

From a sunny Reykjavik

 

[meg1]

You, as a reader, have no decision in a story. All decisions concerning a story are made by the author of a story. If you are unsatisfied with a story you have read, at the end of the story, you have the option of giving private feedback to the author. You may email the author through Literotica and explain what you found unsatisfying with the story and how you recommend they fix it. You also have the option of leaving your own email address, so that if the author is interested, he or she may contact you back.

As a word of advice: do not be surprised if the author does not resubmit the story with any corrections. Some authors do that a lot. Some authors decide that once a story has posted, they are finished with it.

In addition, you might consider looking at when the story was posted and when that author's last story was posted. There are many authors who posted stories and have since moved on from Literotica. So, for example, if you are looking at a story that was posted in 2003 and that author has not posted anything since 2005, it is probably a futile exercise to try to contact that author.


One more word of advice: I do not want to offend you, but you should probably be prepared for the fact that not authors will be open or appreciative of your advice. Ettiquette would be more towards giving constructive critism (I liked this part because......; This part could have been better if....) rather than you just flat out saying that the author's story was so poor that they need to rewrite and resubmit it. I hope I've read your intentions correctly and you understand. Should you not, you can always contact me, or explain differently.

 

[sethp]

Some authors like me are taking it upon themselves to re edit and resubmit all of thier earlier work since it was written so poorly. I'ts not a valid representation of their writing any longer.

 

[meg1]

but you decided that on your own....if i sent you an email (and you didn't know me) and told you that your story was not up to my standards and you should rewrite it and then told you how you should fix it, what would you say to me?

I tend to pay more attention to other authors/editors here that I've come to know and respect. Snooper sent me an email about my first submission, and because I already knew him through here, I immediately went back and checked what he said. I will fix the mistakes, but I will wait a while and let myself leave the story behind, then come back and look at it w/ new eyes. He also pointed out exactly where the mistakes were and was very specifc (he also said something nice as well )

 

[Fantasies_only]

As a neophyte in this arena,

?

I am putting forward a general question: Is there any way of correcting typos in submissions after they have been posted? I am so often irked by unnecessary typos in text I am reading supposedly for personal pleasure, such as all the "and"s instead of "an"; confusion between advice and advise; ensure vs insure vs assure; lose vs loose; to vs too; off vs of; ad infinitum. It all smacks of a lack of is nowadays referred to as "proofreading". When I was a boy, proofreading was comparing the galley proofs against the manuscript to ensure that the author's intention was religiously reflected.
I would be quite happy to pick them up, flag them for correction and throw them back at someone. Pity, someones are somewhat sparse on the ground.

That's exactly what I was trying to say.

A story can be edited and resubmitted. All that is required is to resubmit with EDITED in the title area so Laurel knows your intentions.

Hope this helps.

And yes, I agree, I have edited stories from different parts of the world and have sometimes been conflicted in my suggestions as my perspective is American, yet the writer may be from Britain, etc. Have no answer there except to ask the writer how they prefer the story to be edited.

Someone here mentioned old fashioned colloquilalisms.
Surely they won't be counted as typos.
Huckleberry Finn notes someday he's gonna build a raft and sale accross the Mississippi.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Reinventing the Wheel

but you decided that on your own....if i sent you an email (and you didn't know me) and told you that your story was not up to my standards and you should rewrite it and then told you how you should fix it, what would you say to me?

I tend to pay more attention to other authors/editors here that I've come to know and respect. Snooper sent me an email about my first submission, and because I already knew him through here, I immediately went back and checked what he said. I will fix the mistakes, but I will wait a while and let myself leave the story behind, then come back and look at it w/ new eyes. He also pointed out exactly where the mistakes were and was very specifc (he also said something nice as well )

FO, we're closer to being the same as you can imagine. Over the time I've been here I've gotten under LadyC's skin with well-meaning suggestions that, of course, would be impossible to implement. One was random acts of editing. Editors randomly (or otherwise) finding stories that are poorly constructed, editing them, and then presenting the writer with the edited results. Sort of like a report card. Well, I was, predictably, shot down.

Like you I am an idealist. But reality has a way of interfering. I'm actually on your side and compassionate, but still see the stains of my blood that was spilled on the brick wall.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Reinventing the Wheel

but you decided that on your own....if i sent you an email (and you didn't know me) and told you that your story was not up to my standards and you should rewrite it and then told you how you should fix it, what would you say to me?

I tend to pay more attention to other authors/editors here that I've come to know and respect. Snooper sent me an email about my first submission, and because I already knew him through here, I immediately went back and checked what he said. I will fix the mistakes, but I will wait a while and let myself leave the story behind, then come back and look at it w/ new eyes. He also pointed out exactly where the mistakes were and was very specifc (he also said something nice as well )

FO, we're closer to being the same as you can imagine. Over the time I've been here I've gotten under LadyC's skin with well-meaning suggestions that, of course, would be impossible to implement. One was random acts of editing. Editors randomly (or otherwise) finding stories that are poorly constructed, editing them, and then presenting the writer with the edited results. Sort of like a report card. Well, I was, predictably, shot down.

Like you I am an idealist. But reality has a way of interfering. I'm actually on your side and compassionate, but still see the stains of my blood that was spilled on the brick wall.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

I knew my eyesight was bad, but double vision ??

 

[meg1]

I knew my eyesight was bad, but double vision ??

it was just so good, it deserved to be restated

 

[AsylumSeeker]

it was just so good, it deserved to be restated

One can always count on Meg's wonderful insight.

 

[sethp]

One can always count on Meg's wonderful insight.

she is wonderful isn't she! mmmm mmmmm

 

[meg1]

One can always count on Meg's wonderful insight.

she is wonderful isn't she! mmmm mmmmm

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Can't tell she's sucking it up, lol.