Free Speech, Censorship, and the Threat of Totalitarianism

[BrightShinyGirl]

Thanks for participating in the censorship thread. Are these examples of topics you have personally been censored on? If so, please elaborate.

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

These are all topics I have openly debated on this board. You’re not being censored, Newbie, You’re just losing.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So you only want to comment and discuss censorship that might affect you or the Country in which you live?
Fair enough
Thanks

Actually if that's what you garnered from my comment you're incorrect in understanding it. You wrote:

So in your opinion it’s ok to censor debate on Covid 19 based on pubic safety?

Then added in :

What about the other half of the cnn article about censoring Hunter Biden’s laptop. Where do you stand on censoring that?

I answered:

I don't care, its an American thing. COVID on the other hand knows no borders.

My answer doesn't mean I only care about censorship when it affects myself, or my country.

What I said was, "I don't care". The end. You guys wish to debate the laptop, or who wrote or censored what about it, fine. It will never cause me harm, nor my country, nor most of the other 7.65 Billion people on earth. I don't even know if there was censorship about it, but I do know there was false,misleading and harmful information posted about COVID, and I agreed it should be censored.

Maybe you're one of those people who think standing up and yelling "fire" in a crowed theatre is free speech. The courts say otherwise, and not being able to yell that, isn't an infringement upon free speech or censorship.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Private businesses (such as social media apps) sometimes ban users who break rules. That isn’t censorship. The premise of this thread is flawed.

Are MAGAs calling for increased government intrusion into private businesses? That’s the real question.

 

[UltraChad]

Private businesses (such as social media apps) sometimes ban users who break rules. That isn’t censorship.

Yes it is.

Censorship doesn't stop being censorship just because a private corporation does it.

The premise of this thread is flawed.

No your understanding of free speech is flawed.

Are MAGAs calling for increased government intrusion into private businesses? That’s the real question.

Not anymore than there already is with Sec230. I think most just want sec. 230 updated to catch up with the all new invention of social media.

Something with bipartisan support and overwhelming popular support for going on a solid 12+ years now but for some odd reason just NEVER seems to actually happen.

 

[UltraChad]

Thanks for participating in the censorship thread. Are these examples of topics you have personally been censored on? If so, please elaborate.

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

She's Stalinista level "progressive" Karen from LA.

If she were Top Comrade of America anyone who had ever been recorded so much as even QUESTIONING progressive lefty ideology or narratives would be ended by hammer and sickle in the streets or dragged off to Gulag TOMORROW and slaved to death in short order.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Yes it is.

No it isn’t. Banning people who break a business’ rules is not censorship. It’s simple enforcement of rules. People who want to utilize services provided by the business have to follow the rules.

Do fake libertarians think the government should intrude on the operations of private businesses?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes it is.

Awww look who doth protest....an often banned person. poor bobo...*chuckles*

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

Science determines the best evidence of what works and doesn't in the case of COVID.

What if other scientists have opposing opinions on a particular fact dealing with something like Covid?
Should those determined false be censored in your opinion ? Who determines?

What undisputed scientific facts did you learn about Covid early on that you consider true today?
Thanks

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What if other scientists have opposing opinions on a particular fact dealing with something like Covid?

The "facts" around Science are always tested, and changing. That is the best way to keep understanding.

The disinformation around COVID for the most part had no validity to it. Like it or not, believe it not. I was then, and am now in favour of censorship of known false information.

I'll leave the rest of your sealioning to yourself.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What if other scientists have opposing opinions on a particular fact dealing with something like Covid?
Should those determined false be censored in your opinion ?

What undisputed scientific facts did you learn about Covid early on that you consider true today?
Thanks

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

If there's a disagreement between scientists they should battle it out in the relevant journals. Posting contradictory information to the general public only confuses the scientifically illiterate.

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

The "facts" around Science are always tested, and changing. That is the best way to keep understanding.

The disinformation around COVID for the most part had no validity to it. Like it or not, believe it not. I was then, and am now in favour of censorship of known false information.

Do you have any examples of disinformation that had no validity? We can form our own opinion and discuss.

Maybe there was information that was deemed fact that was not debated in the public forum by opposing scientific experts. Those scientists were silenced?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Do you have any examples of disinformation that had no validity? We can form our own opinion and discuss.

Maybe there was information that was deemed fact that was not debated in the public forum by opposing scientific experts. Those scientists were silenced?

What are your public health credentials?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Do you have any examples of disinformation that had no validity? We can form our own opinion and discuss.

Maybe there was information that was deemed fact that was not debated in the public forum by opposing scientific experts. Those scientists were silenced?

You do understand the term sealion? As it applies to online conversations.

 

[UltraChad]

No it isn’t.

The ACLU, Cambridge Dictionary and Encyclopedia Britannica all say it is.

Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups.

https://www.aclu.org/documents/what-censorship

censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/censorship

the action of preventing part or the whole of a book, movie, work of art, document, or other kind of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because it is considered to be offensive or harmful, or because it contains information that someone wishes to keep secret, often for political reasons:
censorship of the press
a system in which an authority limits the ideas that people are allowed to express and prevents books, movies, works of art, documents, or other kinds of communication from being seen or made available to the public, because they include or support certain ideas:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/censorship#google_vignette

Banning people who break a business’ rules is not censorship. It’s simple enforcement of rules.

It's both.

People who want to utilize services provided by the business have to follow the rules.

Spoken like a good authoritarian!! Always anti-free speech with you Karencrats.

Do fake libertarians think the government should intrude on the operations of private businesses?

Fake libertarians and liberals would.

Actual libertarians and liberals alike wouldn't.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It's both.
Spoken like a good authoritarian!! Always anti-free speech with you Karencrats.
Fake libertarians and liberals would.
Actual libertarians and liberals alike wouldn't.

You can read the anger in bobo's words, time and time again he's argued this, and time and time again Manu's banned his ass here....*chuckles*

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

You do understand the term sealion? As it applies to online conversations.

Deflection…
It’s ok. Maybe one of your buddies will take over debating while you take a break.

Covid and Government Censorship

Covid 19 was released from a biological lab in Wuhan’ China.
True or false?

Covid was said by authorities to have originated from bat to human transmission in a market a few miles from the Wuhan lab?
True or false?

Gain of function research funding through US NIH and Ecohealth Alliance funded the COVID-19 research in the Wuhan biological lab?
True or false?

Given that we know know it started in a lab and was highly tested in China with US secret funding. Doesn’t it make sense the scientists directly funding this knew exactly how it transmitted from person to person, what the best universal from of effective treatment would be? Pretty sure they have no issue testing all kinds of wicked things on humans in China.

Given that it’s mainstream now where it was released and who funded it? Why do you suppose they pretended they knew nothing about it? Why did they create panic, make up fake protocols like 6 ft distance and masks that have been proven not to work.

Then ask yourself why they censored all that had an opposing scientific view? .
I think both the owner of Meta and previous owner of twitter both testified they were pressured by the Biden government to censor opposing views.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...sor-some-covid-19-content-during-the-pandemic



“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

 

[Philthy_Phil]

First, hats off to fuzzy for showing you kindness and patience. I’m over here and my BSomometer is making donald trump windmill noises - whirrr, whirrr, whirrr. Second, where are you? What country are you in? And who did you vote for if you are American?

My guess is it's lace, judging by the constant thread title changes.

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

What I said was, "I don't care". The end. You guys wish to debate the laptop, or who wrote or censored what about it, fine. It will never cause me harm, nor my country, nor most of the other 7.65 Billion people on earth.

That’s up to you to ignore how the Obiden government censored the laptop to influence the election. Biden lied straight to the World in the debate.

How this affects you. Some people that were moderate democrats or independents that took offense to being lied to by the radical ruling class Obindencrats.

They voted for Trump this time. Giving the republicans a huge mandate. Now Trump is your new President or King if you are in the EU.

Also lying about Russia makes fake issues creating serious tensions when there are already legitimate ones.

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

My guess is it's lace, judging by the constant thread title changes.

Do you like government censorship Philthy_Phil? The video I posted is very informative and historically correct as far as I can judge.

Any opinion on the Censorship the EU countries are about to face? I thought it was already bad!

“Truth emerges through the process of debate among competing views and opinions: from this perspective, even views that are deemed to be false can serve the positive end of forcing others to develop and clarify their opinions.”

 

[PaxNurgle]

The problem you seem incapable of understanding, Mr.Harp...errr, I mean, Rebel5Soul, er, which account are you using again? Never mind. The problem you seem incapable of understanding is, lies have consequences. Spreading lies that are malicious, or which cause undue suffering and injuries, well, those have even more severe consequences. Along with, it is immoral and unethical. You deliberatly spread lies on this board, because you know them to be untrue. And then you have this fucked up idea that the more times you tell a lie, the more people will believe it and it will come true. (Starting with the oft-denied premise that you have only one lit account, for example.)

As for "Censorship," No privately owned platform gives ANYONE the right to express their opinions. News media, private corporations, private forums- NOBODY is entitled to simply spew out whatever they wish. They all reserve the right to take down inflammatory, offensive, dangerous or threatening posts. I know you lack the mental capacity to understand such things, but it is true. If I were to post your home street address, the times of day you were not home, then encouraged Philthy Phil to show up and rob your house, vandalize or burn your shit down? Would that be okay? NO...IT...MOST...CERTAINLY....WOULD NOT. I would EXPECT Literotica to take such a post down, and then kick me off of the forum. Because I would have violated the website's terms of use. And I just know you are going to respond with the typical Hisarpy/misterFifteenScreenNames bullshit like "Well, yeah but blah-de-blah-de-blah-de-blah that's different, you're stupid, blah blah..." but for once, use however many brain cells you have left and think about what you are saying.

 

[Politruk]

Yes it is.

Censorship doesn't stop being censorship just because a private corporation does it.

Yes, it does.

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

The problem you seem incapable of understanding, Mr.Harp...errr, I mean, Rebel5Soul, er, which account are you using again? Never mind. The problem you seem incapable of understanding is, lies have consequences. Spreading lies that are malicious, or which cause undue suffering and injuries, well, those have even more severe consequences. Along with, it is immoral and unethical. You deliberatly spread lies on this board, because you know them to be untrue. And then you have this fucked up idea that the more times you tell a lie, the more people will believe it and it will come true. (Starting with the oft-denied premise that you have only one lit account, for example.)

As for "Censorship," No privately owned platform gives ANYONE the right to express their opinions. News media, private corporations, private forums- NOBODY is entitled to simply spew out whatever they wish. They all reserve the right to take down inflammatory, offensive, dangerous or threatening posts. I know you lack the mental capacity to understand such things, but it is true. If I were to post your home street address, the times of day you were not home, then encouraged Philthy Phil to show up and rob your house, vandalize or burn your shit down? Would that be okay? NO...IT...MOST...CERTAINLY....WOULD NOT. I would EXPECT Literotica to take such a post down, and then kick me off of the forum. Because I would have violated the website's terms of use. And I just know you are going to respond with the typical Hisarpy/misterFifteenScreenNames bullshit like "Well, yeah but blah-de-blah-de-blah-de-blah that's different, you're stupid, blah blah..." but for once, use however many brain cells you have left and think about what you are saying.

Little triggered?
Calm down! Take your SSRI meds.
I have no idea of the people you list off. I in no way implied this board or moderator’s have anything to do with this discussion. As far as I know PB lit hasn’t censored anyone.
Wow

 

[Sean Renaud]

Pretty sure the guy who made this video either didn't read 1984 at all or somehow missed the point entirely. Ultimately they are wrong and yes we need a certain amount of censorship. Also worth noting he totally supports cancel culture.

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

Yes, it does.

Too bad Trump v Twitter was settled out of court after Elon purchased it. 10 million settlement to President Trump.

How do you feel about the authorities forcing a private social media company to censor content?

Any comment on the educational video I posted? Any of the content you specifically disagree with?

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/08/1197...-fifth-circuit-ruling-social-media-injunction

 

[Big_Mikes_Balls]

Too bad Trump v Twitter was settled out of court after Elon purchased it. 10 million settlement to President Trump.

How do you feel about the authorities forcing a private social media company to censor content?

https://www.npr.org/2023/09/08/1197...-fifth-circuit-ruling-social-media-injunction

What are your public health credentials?

Hey Gurl….
Not sure why that’s relevant. Did the Executive Director of the Obidencrat Disinformation Governance Board have a medical degree?

I will admit I’m not as qualified to censor people as this person.