Heads up: The parties changed. Both of them.

[nowisthetime]

It controls more than half the state governments; it's not a shell.

A shell of what it used to be in the past, lost all integrity.

 

[CornusKousa]

A shell of what it used to be in the past, lost all integrity.

No...same as it ever was.

 

[Rightguide]

A shell of what it used to be in the past, lost all integrity.

When Newt Gingrich took over as Speaker of the House we had just seen 40 years pf democrat rule in the Congress.

 

[pecksniff]

When Newt Gingrich took over as Speaker of the House we had just seen 40 years pf democrat rule in the Congress.

That would include the period that gave us the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Great Society and War on Poverty programs. Pretty good track record.

 

[CornusKousa]

That would include the period that gave us the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Great Society and War on Poverty programs. Pretty good track record.

LMFAO!!!!

 

[pecksniff]

LMFAO!!!!

Certainly a better track record than anything we've seen the Republicans do since '94. The Civil Rights Act, Great Society programs, etc., were all things worth doing. Nothing in the Contract with America was worth doing. Certainly nothing Pubs did in the W Admin was. The Trump Admin hardly rates consideration.

 

[CornusKousa]

Certainly a better track record than anything we've seen the Republicans do since '94.

All total failures sans the CRA, and that's the one the left wants gone now.

So nope.

The Civil Rights Act, Great Society programs, etc., were all things worth doing. Nothing in the Contract with America was worth doing. Certainly nothing Pubs did in the W Admin was. The Trump Admin hardly rates consideration.

The Civil Rights Act, is great as it got rid of institutionalized racism....which explains why the left now wants to get rid of it.

That was back when (D)'s were still liberal.

The rest of it is total trash and a complete fucking failure.

 

[pecksniff]

All total failures sans the CRA, and that's the one the left wants gone now.

What on Earth are you talking about? Nobody is trying to repeal the CRA.

And the Great Society/War on Poverty programs were not failures. They really did reduce poverty, and would have reduced it further if the Vietnam War had not drained the funding.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What on Earth are you talking about? Nobody is trying to repeal the CRA.

And the Great Society/War on Poverty programs were not failures. They really did reduce poverty, and would have reduced it further if the Vietnam War had not drained the funding.

This deep in a political thread, our boy is generally reduced to spewing random GOP talking points.

 

[pecksniff]

Nobody in this thread has yet contradicted the OP, the point of which is that it is irrelevant to cite the Dems' pre-1960s racism or the Pubs' pre-1960s antiracism -- both entirely real phenomena -- as reflecting on either party in its present formation, which resulted from the white racists migrating over from D to R and the liberal Republicans doing the reverse.

So, please stop doing that. It's cheap and it makes you look ignorant.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Nobody in this thread has yet contradicted the OP, the point of which is that it is irrelevant to cite the Dems' pre-1960s racism or the Pubs' pre-1960s antiracism -- both entirely real phenomena -- as reflecting on either party in its present formation, which resulted from the white racists migrating over from D to R and the liberal Republicans doing the reverse.

So, please stop doing that. It's cheap and it makes you look ignorant.

"makes you look ignorant"??? They are ignorant.....

 

[Lazaran]

"makes you look ignorant"??? They are ignorant.....

Not really ignorant. They know exactly what they're doing.

Gaslighting in the hope that some uneducated undecided voters will buy into their false narrative. Simce they can't dazzle them with brilliance, they try to baffle them with bullshit. It worked for the traitor in chief, so it isn't a stretch to believe that it will work for other Deplorables. Unfortunately, in America, there is a large pool of uneducated voters.

 

[pecksniff]

Not really ignorant. They know exactly what they're doing.

Gaslighting in the hope that some uneducated undecided voters will buy into their false narrative. Simce they can't dazzle them with brilliance, they try to baffle them with bullshit. It worked for the traitor in chief, so it isn't a stretch to believe that it will work for other Deplorables. Unfortunately, in America, there is a large pool of uneducated voters.

One does not need very much education to know the actual history here.

 

[YDB95]

One does not need very much education to know the actual history here.

Doesn't matter. White voters who know deep down which side the racists are on now are grasping for any excuse to convince themselves that they're not racist if they vote for the party of Trump, Lott, Helms, Gingrich, Scalise, MTG, etc. "But the Republicans are the real heroes of the Civil Rights Act" will do the trick if left unchecked.

 

[pecksniff]

And the Great Society/War on Poverty programs were not failures. They really did reduce poverty, and would have reduced it further if the Vietnam War had not drained the funding.

Great Society:

Programs launched by Johnson through his Great Society initiative include:

Bilingual Education Act
Community Action Agencies
Economic Opportunity Act of 1964
Elementary and Secondary Education
Head Start Program
Higher Education Act of 1965
Job Corps
Model Cities Program
NASA Art Program
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
Office of Economic Opportunity
Older Americans Act
Project Follow Through
Samuel Jefferson Mason
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program
Teacher Corps
Upward Bound

While some Republicans regard it as a massive failure and some democratas as an outstanding success, the results of the Great Society are, unsurprisingly, far more mixed. Being such a huge program, it is probably correct to analyze its many sub-programs and goals than the program as a whole. Doing such, we’ll find out that, despite succeeding in many areas, the Great Society also failed in many others. The social security apparently managed to reduced consumption-based poverty, though other programs had a very small impact, and the reduction of the income-based poverty is mostly a result of the economic growth.[16] Perhaps the utmost failure of the Great Society was on the healthcare, nominally the medicare and medicaid, considering how the US has the worst indicators when it comes to health among the OECD countries even though its public spending exceeds by any measure any other country in this specific field. [17]. Another important criticism is that a considerable part of the of spending doesn't go for the poor - it goes for the old.[18] Overall, the poor living in the United States are probably better with than without the Great Society, even , considering how expensive it was and how the results weren't even that remarkable. One good exemple of what can be done is the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, that cut spending but also managed to reduce poverty. [19]

Could be better, but still, beyond a doubt: Worth doing. Money well spent. Good track record for the Ds. Better than the Rs, who wouldn't even try this sort of thing.

 

[pecksniff]

Buckminster Fuller, an inventor who fancied himself a philosopher, used to do a rope trick on the college lecture circuit. He had a length of silk cord, cotton cord, hemp cord spliced together; tied a loose knot at one end, slid it along, and asked "Is it still the same knot?" I'm not sure what point he was making, certainly nothing political, but political parties can work that way -- a party can substantially change its constituency and ideology and still remain the same organization with the same name and the same institutional memory.

This is simply another version of the Ship of Theseus.