How important is poetry?

[bronzeage]

Go over to new poems, at least a third scream I or me. In yours, the focus is on the story. Allows me as a reader to become "Bronze". Wasn't bad either.
Then the damn poem ended.
I don't care as a reader what Bronze feels, I want to feel as if I am Bronze.
Probably explains why some don't like mine, they don't want to feel
that.
So far I've never taken anyone to hell,
yet.

Okay, I got it.

 

[bulltlr]

Exciting! I just learned something new
now I'm off to read...

 

[butters]

Exciting! I just learned something new
now I'm off to read...

twelveoone is very very good at that - showing us new perspectives, new vistas... he makes for interesting reading.

 

[twelveoone]

Exciting! I just learned something new
now I'm off to read...

Either in this thread or in another. I will do some things with what I call the "focal point" if you find it, it unlocks so much. fridayam has one that is counterintuitive, Kaishaku does something that really raises his to a cut above, and Angeline, that still amazes me.
For the first two, the rhythm or the smoothness is very important, I recommend for the poets to see what goes the other way.

This is very tricky stuff. Most people would miss it. I did, at first, same as with greenmountaineer's. With Angeline's I can't recommend anyone try that, only I'm foolish enough for that. But with her's there are two courses.

Here's an easy one:

Stateless

byDesejo© a so-called new writer.

Focal point is the title, she is welcome to tell me if I'm wrong.

 

[todski28]

bump because I think this should be read

 

[twelveoone]

bump because I think this should be read

Holy Shit. I'm fucking insane.
Bumped for Harry. This is why I liked your poem.
It's a quest. Only thing missing is a ring.
allo
there

 

[butters]

Holy Shit. I'm fucking insane.
Bumped for Harry. This is why I liked your poem.
It's a quest. Only thing missing is a ring.
allo
there

...and there's another path, another poem.

 

[HarryHill]

...and there's another path, another poem.

there is?

 

[butters]

there is?

ah, i was taking a line out of context and musing in another direction, is all.

 

[HarryHill]

ah, i was taking a line out of context and musing in another direction, is all.

context is a mfr. it's like a magic trick. sometimes you provide the illusion/allusion.

 

[twelveoone]

...and there's another path, another poem.

...another phone
phone goddamn it

Harry look at the structure of the thread. Surface structure, where does it start?
Where did tod wind up?
Where did you wind up?
context is a mfr. it's like a magic trick. sometimes you provide the illusion/allusion.
Bingo, that is what words are and they are like threads. sometimes you weave and sometimes you put hooks on em.
And you two learned it, on your own.

from another thread - Chekov's pizza was a joke off of
Chekhov's gun is a dramatic principle requiring that every element in a narrative be necessary and irreplaceable, and that everything else be removed.[1][2][3] Stated by Anton Chekhov, "Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there."[3][4]

here is another link

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun"]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChekhovsGun[/URL]

you can introduce false paths, as long as they lead to something else

 

[butters]

ring
allo


indeed. but paths split, and some get washed away.... markers, stone markers, they's wots important. *nods like i have a clue what i mean*

 

[twelveoone]

ring
allo


indeed. but paths split, and some get washed away.... markers, stone markers, they's wots important. *nods like i have a clue what i mean*

waa lah another magic trick
faking your way through life, 'cause the big jokers on the other side, that is why NDE's are important, free sneak previews.
Popcorn sucks.

 

[butters]

waa lah another magic trick
faking your way through life, 'cause the big jokers on the other side, that is why NDE's are important, free sneak previews.
Popcorn sucks.

some of us are better at it than others

 

[butters]

How important is poetry?

Air, water, and food are important, then a whole bunch of other stuff, including urination and defecation. It does outrank smoking and is slightly less polluting. Consider this, if you write more poems than take dumps you just let everyone know you're full of it.

oops... it has been known. i am a lazy writer, it is true. but sometimes i might go weeks without writing - i don't go weeks without poohing. does this balance things out?

 

[twelveoone]

oops... it has been known. i am a lazy writer, it is true. but sometimes i might go weeks without writing - i don't go weeks without poohing. does this balance things out?

I was referring to logorrhea all over New Poems. The rush to write spalts, beshatted from unrestrained brains.
if that helps

 

[butters]

I was referring to logorrhea all over New Poems. The rush to write splatts, beshatted from unrestrained brains.
if that helps

beshatted... ha

one needs be careful what one reads
lest it should begat besplatts
*holds nose*

 

[todski28]

context is a mfr. it's like a magic trick. sometimes you provide the illusion/allusion.

sometimes the reader provides their own and ends up a hundred miles from where you started, but it's all part of the process I guess

hmmm, I need to stop writing for a while, poetry vs shits is uneven......

 

[twelveoone]

sometimes the reader provides their own and ends up a hundred miles from where you started, but it's all part of the process I guess

hmmm, I need to stop writing for a while, poetry vs shits is uneven......

a fine balance
the poet is also a tightrope walker
and the audience is stray winds

 

[bogusagain]

Hmm Looking at the so called top poets in Britain and at the Poetry Society, they take poetry too seriously. Poetry has become so rarefied it has all but disappeared up its own semi-colon. The wider public don't take it seriously enough but then, I don't think most poets write poetry for the wider public. Poets seem to want validation from fellow poets rather than having their work tainted by being enjoyed by the great unwashed.

 

[twelveoone]

Hmm Looking at the so called top poets in Britain and at the Poetry Society, they take poetry too seriously. Poetry has become so rarefied it has all but disappeared up its own semi-colon. The wider public don't take it seriously enough but then, I don't think most poets write poetry for the wider public. Poets seem to want validation from fellow poets rather than having their work tainted by being enjoyed by the great unwashed.

market demographics
Trout Fishing in America
sold rather well in sporting goods stores. I don't know how many returns they got.
and remember bog that last truly successful poet was Rod McKuen
who must have been great if you were stoned out of your gourd, me I would rather walk down to the 7-11 for a bag of fritos
Listen to the Warm
my ass

 

[bogusagain]

market demographics
Trout Fishing in America
sold rather well in sporting goods stores. I don't know how many returns they got.
and remember bog that last truly successful poet was Rod McKuen
who must have been great if you were stoned out of your gourd, me I would rather walk down to the 7-11 for a bag of fritos
Listen to the Warm
my ass

12, the question was 'How important is poetry'. My point was, without an audience, poetry isn't that important. Not to the wider public at least.

 

[twelveoone]

12, the question was 'How important is poetry'. My point was, without an audience, poetry isn't that important. Not to the wider public at least.

oh, yeah, i forgot, i had to attend to
Maslow's hierarchy of needs
and get me a bag of fritos
where were we?

Wasting away the moments that make up a dull day
god, I love that album
fritter
sounds like fritos
McKuen's starting to sound good now.

Seriously, we do not disagree, but the audience has to be lead, not pandered too, there is a psychology to writing and reading, most good writers, whether they know it or not, utilize these techniques. But, I think very few question the "reader" problem. Operating on the perception that they learned x techniques, thereforth they are poets. Which is not a bad thing for newbs (heh, heh) to try to learn x techniques, which may have been the point of the thread, hoping that by some of the examples would at least sink in by osmosis.
Foolish me, care for a chip?

 

[bogusagain]

Foolish me, care for a chip?

I've enough chips on my shoulders, which is why I don't live in the UK.