I need to vent

[nici]

You have 5H’s which is more than a lot have.

I do not think I will ever have an H behind a story, no matter how good and how creative I write. People tend to vote according to their emotions. Therefore, if you write controversially against the mainstream moralities, you will be voted down. If you write what they want emotionally to read, you will be voted up.

I cannot see vote ratings to be anything other than just one more barometer like hits and views. If you post stories with multiple chapters, view the amount of hits on the first chapter, and then compare that to the hits on the successive chapters. If you are keeping about the same amount of hits on all the chapters it means that your readers read the whole story to end and you have kept them interested. If your hit count is high enough, individual behaviors such as rereads or readers reading parts at different times becomes irrelevant.

Voted ratings I consider to be nothing but Russian roulette. How good is the reader’s actual comprehension and grammar skills, or is the reader’s vote purely emotional in nature, and your story was sympathetic or not?

How can one story with 8000 views and 10 votes ever be considered of better quality than a story in the same category with 40,000 or 50,000 reads and 500 votes? There is just too many denominators in play to use vote ratings to any reliable relevancy.

Lit’s form of vote rating is not worth anything in my personal opinion. If it is not broken down into categories such as the author reviews on SO then why even have it?

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Lit’s form of vote rating is not worth anything in my personal opinion. If it is not broken down into categories such as the author reviews on SO then why even have it?

The "author reviews" at SO are just as useless as Lit's voting...

 

[nici]

The "author reviews" at SO are just as useless as Lit's voting...

You would say that wouldn't you.

I feel I need to clarify a bit. I don't mean the reader's votes on SO. They are no better than Lit's. (If not worse.)

I do mean the "Author's Reviews" that are broken down into; Stroke, Plot, Technical Qualities and Appeal to Reviewer catagories. Therefore, when voting someone has atleast some abilities to express their emotional dislike of a story while accepting that the story was well written.

What I don't like about the Author's Reviews is the limited amount reviewing.... only one or two people per story. Personal opinions and agendas play then too great a role.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

You would say that wouldn't you.

I feel I need to clarify a bit. I don't mean the reader's votes on SO. They are no better than Lit's. (If not worse.)

I do mean the "Author's Reviews" that are broken down into; Stroke, Plot, Technical Qualities and Appeal to Reviewer catagories. Therefore, when voting someone has atleast some abilities to express their emotional dislike of a story while accepting that the story was well written.

What I don't like about the Author's Reviews is the limited amount reviewing.... only one or two people per story. Personal opinions and agendas play then too great a role.

Okay, I do agree with the Review ratings at SO being good. I don't agree with their expanded voting though. I don't think most of the readers there can fairly judge the technical part of writing, and the quality of the plot. My other problem with SO, and the main reason for me pulling all of my work from that site was Lazeez's constant tinkering with the scores.

 

[nici]

Okay, I do agree with the Review ratings at SO being good. I don't agree with their expanded voting though. I don't think most of the readers there can fairly judge the technical part of writing, and the quality of the plot. My other problem with SO, and the main reason for me pulling all of my work from that site was Lazeez's constant tinkering with the scores.

(Ruffles Dark’s hair and gives him a kiss on his forehead.)

Okay Cowboy,

I’ll agree that most readers do not have the knowledge or education with which to evaluate a story conclusively. Yet, volume does level out many irregularities. It’s interesting to force the reader away from a general and political/emotional evaluation into specifics of likes and don’t likes and then see the results.

“Lazeez's constant tinkering” means to me that Lazeez is not happy with his results so far and desires change. His dissatisfaction has to be coming from his desire to see qualitive results, and that cannot be bad.

I still post stories on SO, just as I will still post them here on Lit, but I’m tending more to posting my stories specifically to sites of common interests and keeping my ASSTR account as the general holding tank of all of my stories.

Lit’s value is it’s community of writers and the amount of readers in some specific genre. In evaluating my writing skills, I need knowledge of the comparative volume of readers reading my stories, and technical evaluation of my stories by better more knowledgeable and experienced writers. If I were to only write stroke, group or loving wife stories Lit is great.

Still, in romance or gay scene stories, I feel, Lit is the wrong place. I’m considering posting such of my stories only to women’s and gay sites. Without their support, I feel I am dead-ending.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

5 H's! I don't have any.... consider yourself very lucky! Write what makes you feel good and be proud about it!

Yeah, sure, but a bit of self-promotion isn't a bad thing.

Post here, add a link and we'll go crawl over your posts.

Seriously, the biggest problem authors have got - here and elsewhere - is being noticed. Just shake your tailfeather and get us clicking.

Going to read you now.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I do mean the "Author's Reviews" that are broken down into; Stroke, Plot, Technical Qualities and Appeal to Reviewer catagories. Therefore, when voting someone has atleast some abilities to express their emotional dislike of a story while accepting that the story was well written.

What I don't like about the Author's Reviews is the limited amount reviewing.... only one or two people per story. Personal opinions and agendas play then too great a role.

And that is exactly why I do most of my work in the Story Feedback forum these days. Who cares if a story is stroke, non-erotic, etc. It's the growth of writing abilities that is far more interesting than tearing some story apart to determine all the BS I did in college. That doesn't help these people. It just pisses them off.

Over the past few months I've seen a small percentage of the new writers go from "horrid" to "pretty damn good" in just a few stories. That makes it all worth it.

As far as votes go, I've come to the conclusion that they are meaningless. Typically, all a vote means is "I got off" or "I didn't get off - fuck your story".

 

[nici]

As far as votes go, I've come to the conclusion that they are meaningless. Typically, all a vote means is "I got off" or "I didn't get off - fuck your story".

Exactly!

 

[rydia57]

I've read your stories, Rydia. They aren't half bad, but there are some things you can do to improve them.

I'm here to help on your next story if you want. You can make it great.

But if it makes you yourself feel good that's your own personal "H" right there huh? I probably have to do something like Stephen Kiing-esque or George Orwellian to get one.... so if it pleases me, I post it. And if it pleases me in a weird way, I don't post it cos.... it's too weird for Lit! Don't "H"s kinda remind you of the stars yur teacher used to put on your best papers?

 

[drksideofthemoon]

(Ruffles Dark’s hair and gives him a kiss on his forehead.)

Okay Cowboy,

I’ll agree that most readers do not have the knowledge or education with which to evaluate a story conclusively. Yet, volume does level out many irregularities. It’s interesting to force the reader away from a general and political/emotional evaluation into specifics of likes and don’t likes and then see the results.

“Lazeez's constant tinkering” means to me that Lazeez is not happy with his results so far and desires change. His dissatisfaction has to be coming from his desire to see qualitive results, and that cannot be bad.

Still, in romance or gay scene stories, I feel, Lit is the wrong place. I’m considering posting such of my stories only to women’s and gay sites. Without their support, I feel I am dead-ending.

It all depends on how you look at. I see it more as him trying to tinker with the results to come up with a predetermined outcome.

I disagree about the romance and Lit, my romance stories have done well here.
While they dont get a huge number of reads, they do get some good feedback. Also I have found the readers of the romance category tend to vote more often than readers in other categories.

 

[ravensfx]

Hi

I know Romance is lightly read, but I have always had a problem deciding where to place my stories. I am becoming very frustrated. 1000 - 2000 reads and I cannot get the required 10 votes, why? 8 votes on one with over 2200 reads and 6 votes with 1100 reads, why don't people vote and/or comment when they read a story. I do my part, every story I read I at least vote, some of the time I send a PM to the author. I especially am upset because the average is 4.88 and 4.83 respectively. Maybe I have no reason to become upset. I at least feel better now, thanks.



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