Important: Concerning WOTW stealing stories.
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Closet Desire
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Nudemodel...
There is something satisfying about having a copyright certificate--makes it feel more "real" somehow. I'm actually an American living in the UK who generally publishes first in the US so it all got a little grey about where to actually register. Because I've been publishing with the same publishers for several years now everything I write gets published (I never thought that day would come!). One thing I've learned is that money and commerce are the best protection of all. Here's how.
We've been lucky to hook up with three of the largest publishers who, unlike a lot of houses, actually have money and legal departments. Once they take on a book to publish they have a vested interest in making sure it remains in their stable and doesn't get rustled off by thieves. Even though the intellectual rights belong to me the financial rights belong to the publisher. I've learned to trust them to safeguard both our financial interests. I think this is a pretty common arrangement.
I think of it this way--copyright is sort of like Miss Manners. It tells you which fork to use for what, but it's no guarantee that diners will follow the rules. That's momma's job.
As for the academic stuff...turns out the ponds are pretty small and I've ended up a pretty healthy fish under my little log. It's usually a student whose paper started out as a class thesis and then a few years later gets polished up and submitted for publication. They forget where some of their stuff came from. I've not actually encountered a case where it was anything other than inexperience or oversight--unlike a very popular writer of history books who shall remain nameless.
Good luck with the novels and screenplays!
There is something satisfying about having a copyright certificate--makes it feel more "real" somehow. I'm actually an American living in the UK who generally publishes first in the US so it all got a little grey about where to actually register. Because I've been publishing with the same publishers for several years now everything I write gets published (I never thought that day would come!). One thing I've learned is that money and commerce are the best protection of all. Here's how.
We've been lucky to hook up with three of the largest publishers who, unlike a lot of houses, actually have money and legal departments. Once they take on a book to publish they have a vested interest in making sure it remains in their stable and doesn't get rustled off by thieves. Even though the intellectual rights belong to me the financial rights belong to the publisher. I've learned to trust them to safeguard both our financial interests. I think this is a pretty common arrangement.
I think of it this way--copyright is sort of like Miss Manners. It tells you which fork to use for what, but it's no guarantee that diners will follow the rules. That's momma's job.
As for the academic stuff...turns out the ponds are pretty small and I've ended up a pretty healthy fish under my little log. It's usually a student whose paper started out as a class thesis and then a few years later gets polished up and submitted for publication. They forget where some of their stuff came from. I've not actually encountered a case where it was anything other than inexperience or oversight--unlike a very popular writer of history books who shall remain nameless.
Good luck with the novels and screenplays!
Closet D,
You seem to be among the lucky ones. Those of us without legitimate publishers are more vulnerable. It is pretty easy to forget a citation. I'm very disorganized. I keep notes on scraps of paper, on the backs of envelopes, and even on paper towels from library washrooms (because I lacked the foresight to take a notepad). So I would be tolerant if an academic failed to cite me (that'll be the day!). I'm a little less tolerant with the Big Money Boys, especially Tinseltown.
A couple times my original ideas have turned up in Big Network TV series or in screenplays destined for Big Production. It's hard to get damages for basic original ideas, even when they are enclosed in copyrighted scripts or print texts that have been widely submitted. But hard or not, I end up slightly damaged. A movie or TV series comes out with my original ideas, and then my stuff looks like it might have been copied from theirs and not the other way around. And worse, the idea itself has lost its originality punch and resultant value. But there's very little that a little guy can do. Nudemodel
You seem to be among the lucky ones. Those of us without legitimate publishers are more vulnerable. It is pretty easy to forget a citation. I'm very disorganized. I keep notes on scraps of paper, on the backs of envelopes, and even on paper towels from library washrooms (because I lacked the foresight to take a notepad). So I would be tolerant if an academic failed to cite me (that'll be the day!). I'm a little less tolerant with the Big Money Boys, especially Tinseltown.
A couple times my original ideas have turned up in Big Network TV series or in screenplays destined for Big Production. It's hard to get damages for basic original ideas, even when they are enclosed in copyrighted scripts or print texts that have been widely submitted. But hard or not, I end up slightly damaged. A movie or TV series comes out with my original ideas, and then my stuff looks like it might have been copied from theirs and not the other way around. And worse, the idea itself has lost its originality punch and resultant value. But there's very little that a little guy can do. Nudemodel
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The solution
Hey, I seem to have stumbled upon the solution to having your stories stolen by other sites.
Just write as poorly as I do and they leave you alone
I did as large a search as I could, in the time that has expired and I haven't found even a single instance of my stories being stolen.
Damn, I must really suck!
Ray
Hey, I seem to have stumbled upon the solution to having your stories stolen by other sites.
Just write as poorly as I do and they leave you alone
I did as large a search as I could, in the time that has expired and I haven't found even a single instance of my stories being stolen.
Damn, I must really suck!
Ray
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ROFL!!!
Hey--you're right--I've only posted one story and I don't think it's been stolen--I feel slighted! Hmmmppphh!
The world of screenplays sounds completely alien to me--I have to admit being clueless about it. I'm no stranger to fly-by-night publishers though. They're like the clap--just once you think you don't need to protect yourself and, well, you know the drill. Had one publisher accept a novel and then, after I had informally agreed to publish with them, sent me a letter asking for $1,500 to pay their editor to edit the story. Ummmm, lemme think about this. Another one in London agreed to publish the same novel, signed the contract, and things seemed to go along okay. Then there were little signs (I'm a businessman in my day job) that hinted they were in trouble. Managed to rescue the manuscript and void the contract just months before they filed bankruptcy.
It's a dog eat dog world out there and it's even worse when we're the kibbles with gravy on top.
I feel very lucky to have finally ended up with decent publishers and was very surprised last year to find myself turning down an offer by a reputable publisher over here (I wanted to make sure the book was distributed in the US). It never turned out to be as glamourous as I had hoped but it's still a blast!
Hey--you're right--I've only posted one story and I don't think it's been stolen--I feel slighted! Hmmmppphh!
The world of screenplays sounds completely alien to me--I have to admit being clueless about it. I'm no stranger to fly-by-night publishers though. They're like the clap--just once you think you don't need to protect yourself and, well, you know the drill. Had one publisher accept a novel and then, after I had informally agreed to publish with them, sent me a letter asking for $1,500 to pay their editor to edit the story. Ummmm, lemme think about this. Another one in London agreed to publish the same novel, signed the contract, and things seemed to go along okay. Then there were little signs (I'm a businessman in my day job) that hinted they were in trouble. Managed to rescue the manuscript and void the contract just months before they filed bankruptcy.
It's a dog eat dog world out there and it's even worse when we're the kibbles with gravy on top.
I feel very lucky to have finally ended up with decent publishers and was very surprised last year to find myself turning down an offer by a reputable publisher over here (I wanted to make sure the book was distributed in the US). It never turned out to be as glamourous as I had hoped but it's still a blast!
Closet D,
I have yet to sell a screenplay. I don't know anything about it, either. I only wrote a few.
Having had "my ideas" turn up in other people's works gives a kind of mixed feeling. As with our posts, it is a little flattering.
But it is always a little upsetting. After all, I'm the unique person who had that unique idea out of my unique individual experience. And usually it is more than just an idea. Physical research work and mental effort has gone into shaping it.
So when a scoundrel steals it, I feel robbed of something special.
The reason is not so much that the idea was "stolen" as that I did not get recognition for having had the idea and having developed it into a worthwhile communication.
That is to say, Einstein did not feel that his ideas were stolen after they were attributed to him. People far and wide used them. But they all knew that they were using Einstein's ideas and did not hesitate to attribute them to him.
So it partly the awful "unknownness" of it that irritates. If those guys had taken my idea -- paid for them, or not -- and had given me credit, I would have felt marvelous.
But there still is a subtle satisfaction in having an idea stolen. The person who stole it is obviously some kind of inferior being who could not think it up herself or himself. It's an underhanded acknowledgment, a deference to my mental and talent superiority. Nudemodel
I have yet to sell a screenplay. I don't know anything about it, either. I only wrote a few.
Having had "my ideas" turn up in other people's works gives a kind of mixed feeling. As with our posts, it is a little flattering.
But it is always a little upsetting. After all, I'm the unique person who had that unique idea out of my unique individual experience. And usually it is more than just an idea. Physical research work and mental effort has gone into shaping it.
So when a scoundrel steals it, I feel robbed of something special.
The reason is not so much that the idea was "stolen" as that I did not get recognition for having had the idea and having developed it into a worthwhile communication.
That is to say, Einstein did not feel that his ideas were stolen after they were attributed to him. People far and wide used them. But they all knew that they were using Einstein's ideas and did not hesitate to attribute them to him.
So it partly the awful "unknownness" of it that irritates. If those guys had taken my idea -- paid for them, or not -- and had given me credit, I would have felt marvelous.
But there still is a subtle satisfaction in having an idea stolen. The person who stole it is obviously some kind of inferior being who could not think it up herself or himself. It's an underhanded acknowledgment, a deference to my mental and talent superiority. Nudemodel
How To Nail Sneaky Thieves
Hi:
I'm a former graphic designer, now a computer geek. Doing design, I occasionally ran into what you seem to be now, and was always successful in eliminating it. Read further, if you want to hear my two cents worth.
First, at least in the US, you have an implicit copyright as soon as you publish. All registration does is provide proof of the date (I have actually mailed myself copies of work, and saved the unopened envelope with the postmark as proof of date. I admit I don't know how you can date your work on the Web, but if Lit has a log file of when your story hit, that might be enough.
However . . . I wouldn't bother with that in this instance. A legal case can take a very long time, and your chances of collecting more than your legal fees are probably small. So, here's my advice. First, mail a certified, return receipt to the site operators. Let them know, simply, that they are in violation of your copyright. Give them a period of time (10-15 days?) to remove the offending work (and, post a notice on the site of their transgressions, if you really want to push it). Or, just work out an agreement for the rights to publish your work. Whatever works for you. Their contact info is:
Deak Lori admin@freyacomm.com
The Deak Group Inc.
1901 West Cypress Creek Road, Suite 101
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
US
Phone: 954-491-1414
Fax: 954-491-6069
In all likelihood, that will be enough. If you get no response, or a beligerent response, I would then try to hit them below the belt. You will usually have great success contacting their Internet providers. Let them know that their customer is violating copyright law, which is usually in violation of their Hosting Terms of Service. Providers are usually VERY responsive (a few notorious ones aside), and either your work will disappear quickly from their site, or they will lose their host. Yes, they could find another, but they will be inaccessible for 2-5 days while that switch gets made and the Internet routers learn from each other where that is.
Their hosting provider is:
Asgard Communications (NETBLK-BRW-1665-ASGARDCOMM)
1901 West Cypress Rd, Suite 101
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
US
who in turn gets their service from
Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET)
1122 Capital of Texas Hwy.
Austin, TX 78726-6426
US
Any attorneys out there, please feel free to correct anything incorrect. But, the above has worked for me.
Hope that all this was some help. Sorry about the length. If anyone is curious about how to obtain this sort of info, leave a post or an e-mail for me, and I'll try to type up some simple instructions.
Best of luck, and do protect your work . . . if you DON'T protect it now, you can lose the opportunity to do so later.
- Ken
Hi:
I'm a former graphic designer, now a computer geek. Doing design, I occasionally ran into what you seem to be now, and was always successful in eliminating it. Read further, if you want to hear my two cents worth.
First, at least in the US, you have an implicit copyright as soon as you publish. All registration does is provide proof of the date (I have actually mailed myself copies of work, and saved the unopened envelope with the postmark as proof of date. I admit I don't know how you can date your work on the Web, but if Lit has a log file of when your story hit, that might be enough.
However . . . I wouldn't bother with that in this instance. A legal case can take a very long time, and your chances of collecting more than your legal fees are probably small. So, here's my advice. First, mail a certified, return receipt to the site operators. Let them know, simply, that they are in violation of your copyright. Give them a period of time (10-15 days?) to remove the offending work (and, post a notice on the site of their transgressions, if you really want to push it). Or, just work out an agreement for the rights to publish your work. Whatever works for you. Their contact info is:
Deak Lori admin@freyacomm.com
The Deak Group Inc.
1901 West Cypress Creek Road, Suite 101
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
US
Phone: 954-491-1414
Fax: 954-491-6069
In all likelihood, that will be enough. If you get no response, or a beligerent response, I would then try to hit them below the belt. You will usually have great success contacting their Internet providers. Let them know that their customer is violating copyright law, which is usually in violation of their Hosting Terms of Service. Providers are usually VERY responsive (a few notorious ones aside), and either your work will disappear quickly from their site, or they will lose their host. Yes, they could find another, but they will be inaccessible for 2-5 days while that switch gets made and the Internet routers learn from each other where that is.
Their hosting provider is:
Asgard Communications (NETBLK-BRW-1665-ASGARDCOMM)
1901 West Cypress Rd, Suite 101
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33309
US
who in turn gets their service from
Broadwing Communications, Inc. (NET-BROADWING-NET)
1122 Capital of Texas Hwy.
Austin, TX 78726-6426
US
Any attorneys out there, please feel free to correct anything incorrect. But, the above has worked for me.
Hope that all this was some help. Sorry about the length. If anyone is curious about how to obtain this sort of info, leave a post or an e-mail for me, and I'll try to type up some simple instructions.
Best of luck, and do protect your work . . . if you DON'T protect it now, you can lose the opportunity to do so later.
- Ken
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kpennink,
I never had any trouble with anyone stealing my pornstories. I gave Women on the Web my stories just like I gave them to Literotica. And, there is an earlier version of one somewhere else. I appreciate the time and trouble that you took to explain all that stuff, but it just looks too complicated to me. I'd probably be flattered if someone ripped-off my lousy stories. Nudemodel
I never had any trouble with anyone stealing my pornstories. I gave Women on the Web my stories just like I gave them to Literotica. And, there is an earlier version of one somewhere else. I appreciate the time and trouble that you took to explain all that stuff, but it just looks too complicated to me. I'd probably be flattered if someone ripped-off my lousy stories. Nudemodel
Closet Desire
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Stealing...
...for the thrill.
Putting on my other hat for a moment I do have to say that I don't understand why anyone would steal stories. We put together two or three anthologies of erotica each year and publish them as "real" books.
There are several ways of getting stories but we never--and I mean never--have trouble getting enough really good stories to complete a book. There is an overabundance of talented writers and good stories out there.
In order of preference here is how we get our stories...
1. Writers we know who have written for us before or are interested in submitting their first stories to us.
2. Posting requests for submissions on reputable erotic literature sites.
3. Writing directly to authors whose work we've seen posted and--get this--asking if they would like to submit. What a novel concept--the personal letter.
In spite of our very poor level of compensation (we have yet to actually make money on our books--but we do have fun and they are nice books) we get more than we can use and actually reject very few poorly written ones. I will say that we accept work which most publishers would reject because it needs to be proofed more carefully or requires a bit more effort on our part (publishers don't want to have to do much work) before it's ready for publication. I like to think it's a way to give new writers a leg up. We don't ask for money and we don't jerk writers around.
My long winded point is that as literotica demonstrates--you don't need to steal stories to have writers very willinginly submit good stuff. Most publishers adhere to this line too--there's so much good stuff out there why bother pissing people off by stealing their work? Personally, I want people to trust me because I want to keep publishing books and have an honorable reputation. The world of erotic writers isn't a big one so if you piss off enough people word will get around. Of course, there are so many web sites that I can't really speak for the morals of that gang, but I do respect literotica and their forum for writers.
...for the thrill.
Putting on my other hat for a moment I do have to say that I don't understand why anyone would steal stories. We put together two or three anthologies of erotica each year and publish them as "real" books.
There are several ways of getting stories but we never--and I mean never--have trouble getting enough really good stories to complete a book. There is an overabundance of talented writers and good stories out there.
In order of preference here is how we get our stories...
1. Writers we know who have written for us before or are interested in submitting their first stories to us.
2. Posting requests for submissions on reputable erotic literature sites.
3. Writing directly to authors whose work we've seen posted and--get this--asking if they would like to submit. What a novel concept--the personal letter.
In spite of our very poor level of compensation (we have yet to actually make money on our books--but we do have fun and they are nice books) we get more than we can use and actually reject very few poorly written ones. I will say that we accept work which most publishers would reject because it needs to be proofed more carefully or requires a bit more effort on our part (publishers don't want to have to do much work) before it's ready for publication. I like to think it's a way to give new writers a leg up. We don't ask for money and we don't jerk writers around.
My long winded point is that as literotica demonstrates--you don't need to steal stories to have writers very willinginly submit good stuff. Most publishers adhere to this line too--there's so much good stuff out there why bother pissing people off by stealing their work? Personally, I want people to trust me because I want to keep publishing books and have an honorable reputation. The world of erotic writers isn't a big one so if you piss off enough people word will get around. Of course, there are so many web sites that I can't really speak for the morals of that gang, but I do respect literotica and their forum for writers.
Unregistered said:
NM:
That's fine, and more power to you. My suggestions were aimed at those who do feel raped, or those wishing to avoid that feeling in the future. Suppose that someone decides (okay, and gets lucky enough) to publish a book in the future. The publisher will demand negotiating a certain set of rights, like "First North American Hardcover for Two Years." If someone has already voluntarily surrendered the rights to their work by allowing a site to use it without permission, the publisher will head for the hills faster than <insert cliche here>.
The reason I always protected my graphics works was that I tended to feel like those works were other kids of mine. I would not accept someone abducting them, and in the process establishing that they had no value.
Anyhow, NM . . . I threw that info out there, and folks are certainly able to decide for themselves, as you did, how they feel about the issue and how to pursue it.
Now, as it's still rather early here, I should fetch a cup of liquid caffiene (AKA tea).
- Ken
Hmm...
I can't raise my hand really, but one thing I don't do is steal games. I develope games and I know what it is like. The only reason I have downloaded games is to check them out. Half the time I wouldn't have bought it anyway, and delete it before the first day is out. As for Windows...well...we will just say it's payback for Windows 98 and shared DLLs. Stealing someone's stories is plain crap though. Downloading something that would normally cost upwards of $2000 so you can look at it for a bit and fiddle with it is one thing, but blatantly stealing someone's writing is pathetic.
The thing about software is that most people who download pirated software wouldn't have bought it anyway, and are not going to make any money off of it. Morality is a rather weak arguement on this point because it is purely relative to the current society. If we lived in a society in which people were provided with things somehow (nano technology comes to mind) we wouldn't value our possessions enough for it to be a big deal for people to get it for free. The thing is, it is immoral to steal copyrighted material b/c we have to have the revenue from said material to live. I am not trying to justify my own copyright infringements, because I am not a "good person" per se. You could say if I was a D&D character my alignment would be CN
Cheers.
I can't raise my hand really, but one thing I don't do is steal games. I develope games and I know what it is like. The only reason I have downloaded games is to check them out. Half the time I wouldn't have bought it anyway, and delete it before the first day is out. As for Windows...well...we will just say it's payback for Windows 98 and shared DLLs. Stealing someone's stories is plain crap though. Downloading something that would normally cost upwards of $2000 so you can look at it for a bit and fiddle with it is one thing, but blatantly stealing someone's writing is pathetic.
The thing about software is that most people who download pirated software wouldn't have bought it anyway, and are not going to make any money off of it. Morality is a rather weak arguement on this point because it is purely relative to the current society. If we lived in a society in which people were provided with things somehow (nano technology comes to mind) we wouldn't value our possessions enough for it to be a big deal for people to get it for free. The thing is, it is immoral to steal copyrighted material b/c we have to have the revenue from said material to live. I am not trying to justify my own copyright infringements, because I am not a "good person" per se. You could say if I was a D&D character my alignment would be CN
Cheers.
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Velius,
Look at it this way. Libraries lend out software, videos, and all kinds of text material. People who borrow it usually would not have bought it, anyway. And libraries, as we know, do acutally buy the stuff. In fact, the library market is a very good one.
People in front of computer screens will do what comes natural. They'll take what they can. And there will probably never be a way to stop it. But if people take stuff from the net to sell, they can rather easily, if it is significant theft, be traced and caught (and should).
My problem in the distant and recent past has been with people taking original ideas that were central to my writings. Ideas cannot be copyrighted. but a good new idea can make or break a piece of writing (or software).
Originators of ideas are not so concerned with the ideas being stolen as with them being taken without attribution. Einstein was happy that people used his ideas, but when they did, he knew that everyone knew that the ideas were his.
We originators of text and software are damaged in two way when our new and original central ideas are taken without attribution (let alone pay).
First, they diminish our works by removing the clever originality from them. "Oh, I already saw that line before in someone else's story."
Second, they damage us, personally, by creating an inference that we were the idea-lifters, instead of the other way around. "Why read that writer's works when he or she can't come up with new ideas?"
But other than ideas, no one has ever stolen anything from me. And probably no one ever will steal whole or signifant text from me. For one thing, copyright law protects us quite well. For another, legitimate publishers are generally nice people who like to publish. If they wanted to make a lot of money, they could probably do it easier in some other line.
As Closet Desire notes in the previous post to yours, there's nothing it for them. Why bother to steal someone's work when they are literally inundated with material?
And as for me, I'd probably be a little flattered if someone actually went through the trouble (and risk) of stealing something of mine. Nudemodel
Look at it this way. Libraries lend out software, videos, and all kinds of text material. People who borrow it usually would not have bought it, anyway. And libraries, as we know, do acutally buy the stuff. In fact, the library market is a very good one.
People in front of computer screens will do what comes natural. They'll take what they can. And there will probably never be a way to stop it. But if people take stuff from the net to sell, they can rather easily, if it is significant theft, be traced and caught (and should).
My problem in the distant and recent past has been with people taking original ideas that were central to my writings. Ideas cannot be copyrighted. but a good new idea can make or break a piece of writing (or software).
Originators of ideas are not so concerned with the ideas being stolen as with them being taken without attribution. Einstein was happy that people used his ideas, but when they did, he knew that everyone knew that the ideas were his.
We originators of text and software are damaged in two way when our new and original central ideas are taken without attribution (let alone pay).
First, they diminish our works by removing the clever originality from them. "Oh, I already saw that line before in someone else's story."
Second, they damage us, personally, by creating an inference that we were the idea-lifters, instead of the other way around. "Why read that writer's works when he or she can't come up with new ideas?"
But other than ideas, no one has ever stolen anything from me. And probably no one ever will steal whole or signifant text from me. For one thing, copyright law protects us quite well. For another, legitimate publishers are generally nice people who like to publish. If they wanted to make a lot of money, they could probably do it easier in some other line.
As Closet Desire notes in the previous post to yours, there's nothing it for them. Why bother to steal someone's work when they are literally inundated with material?
And as for me, I'd probably be a little flattered if someone actually went through the trouble (and risk) of stealing something of mine. Nudemodel
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I have had my writing stolen before and it I was appaled simply because all they had to do was ASK me to publish it, and I would say yes as long as there is no child porn on the site. I have had webmasters ask politely and I always say yes, as long as there is no kiddie porn. However if they want to redistribute my writing and sell it, I want to be paid. I have even worked with people loosely on this one and traded stories for web design services and in one occasion where the webmistress was selling a CD of stories with many of mine included, I gave her permission in exchange for some clothing she was selling on ebay.
Simple.
But sadly, many people do not have the simple taste and respect to ASK. That is what bothers me about it, that it is a disrespect to an author. Also I know that some authors write what they (and others) consider "stroke stories." but some authors write pieces of their lives, a little of their hearts. So when it is taken without permission, it hurts.
Oh, and about games and software, I got a "borrowed" copy of Photoshop 6 and learned with that because I could not afford $600 for software. I learned and last week, I finally bought Photoshop 7. I bought it with the money I earned using Photoshop 6. So, is that bad? If I hadn't had 6, I couldn't have bought 7 anyway. Just curious what people think of that.
Simple.
But sadly, many people do not have the simple taste and respect to ASK. That is what bothers me about it, that it is a disrespect to an author. Also I know that some authors write what they (and others) consider "stroke stories." but some authors write pieces of their lives, a little of their hearts. So when it is taken without permission, it hurts.
Oh, and about games and software, I got a "borrowed" copy of Photoshop 6 and learned with that because I could not afford $600 for software. I learned and last week, I finally bought Photoshop 7. I bought it with the money I earned using Photoshop 6. So, is that bad? If I hadn't had 6, I couldn't have bought 7 anyway. Just curious what people think of that.
Closet Desire
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Sadly...
...as I've been putting together our fourth book of erotica I've chatted with a delightful group of enthusiastic writers around the world and heard more of these same horror stories. Call me naive--I've always asked and wouldn't dream of stealing stories from people. Half the fun for me is the thrill they get from seeing their stories in a book on Amazon or on the shelves in Borders.
I'm pretty decent on software. I couldn't justify what Photoshop cost so I bought Photoshop Elements instead and found that with one exception it does everything I really need. I think we own all the software we use including those we've downloaded which we registered and paid for through the vendors' sites.
I do copy music and, shame-shame, occassionally copy something I don't own. Usually I copy a CD so I can have a cheap copy in the car.
...as I've been putting together our fourth book of erotica I've chatted with a delightful group of enthusiastic writers around the world and heard more of these same horror stories. Call me naive--I've always asked and wouldn't dream of stealing stories from people. Half the fun for me is the thrill they get from seeing their stories in a book on Amazon or on the shelves in Borders.
I'm pretty decent on software. I couldn't justify what Photoshop cost so I bought Photoshop Elements instead and found that with one exception it does everything I really need. I think we own all the software we use including those we've downloaded which we registered and paid for through the vendors' sites.
I do copy music and, shame-shame, occassionally copy something I don't own. Usually I copy a CD so I can have a cheap copy in the car.
