Jessica's Big Dicked Belly Flop

[jdjones]

I'm a guy and personally I get a little bored with the "cock and cum crazy whore" persona. It just sounds way too phony in my opinion, and not realistic at all. There are better ways to make a girl sound extremely aroused and into sex without making her sound like a hooker, and if a girl were to say those things to me, I'd think she was trying to cover up a lack of excitement.

 

[Father Damien]

Try writing a true life sex story sometime! Dillinger has!

Just try writing a true life adventure story sometime! Dillinger has! And my friend Jessica knows what I mean! Several of these stories are based on her true life adventures and they are extremely erotic. After all we are amateurs here correct? Lets try and find the good points in our writers and minimize the bad points! Enjoy and critique to your hearts content!

 

[KillerMuffin]

Writers don't learn from warm fuzzies darlin. If all he ever heard was wow, great story, wow oh wow. He's going to keep writing that way. If he hears story was good, but damn, Jessica is about as believable as a paper doll, then he might work on character development.

I didn't particularly care for it, but then again I object strenuously and then some to being referred to as a slut or having any female referred to as a slut or a whore and being used by a group of misguided, testosterone laden morons who have no visible respect for the woman who is giving them the rare priviledge of having sex with her. Nothing worse than treating a woman like a useless piece of garbage only good for use of her cunt and expecting her to enjoy it. But that's just me.

Opinions are like assholes sweets. Everyone has one and they usually stink.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Let's be realistic....

:::stepping up on soapbox:::

Okay, gang...here is one cold hard fact of a writer's lot in life...

WHAT AN AUDIENCE WANTS IS NOT ALWAYS WHAT IS ARTISTIC.

What this means is that there ARE misguided, "testosterone laden morons" out there and there are also PERFECTLY NORMAL PEOPLE who like to fantasize about women being treated as sluts. And, the fact is, MANY of them are women.

Of ALL the things this site represents, it is the freedom to express a fantasy - ANY fantasy in any manner (with the exception of the few guidelines Laurel has specified).

No, a writer does not learn from only "warm fuzzies." But not all wrtiers are out to learn.

Most certainly had Dillinger's intention been to write a well-constructed, thought-provoking piece of fiction, he would need to work on some issues in these stories. He didn't. It is, for lack of a better term, a jerk-off aide. It is a FANTASY. It is a bunch of guys banging the hell out of a girl in as many ways as they can think of. Period. END OF STORY.

Mostly, the people who like Dillinger's stories LIKE THEM A LOT. The ones who don't can't STAND them. There isn't a lot I've seen/heard of in-between.

It is not presented as a "how to" for budding authors. Is was not submitted as the next Madame Bovary. It's just a wanking fuck tale. And for what it tries to do it is obviously pretty darn on the money.

This isn't a case of a novice dipping his toes in the water. This is all he meant for them to be.

I know I'm sounding harsh here, but this is something that I think many authors on this site forget. Not everyone is working on their writing skills. Not everyone is striving for a high-brow effort. Lord knows I am as guilty about this as anyone. But, the fact is, just because SOME of us are trying to craft erotica, that doesn't mean others aren't just having fun with SMUT. And fun with SMUT is what a LOT of the readers here are looking for. THAT is a large portion (if not most)of our audience. Are there others seeking more literary brain candy? Yes. And, I think because those more involved readers and authors are more active in voting and on the boards, we get a somewhat skewed view of what's out there.

There is a place here for everything and it's all good. You sample what you like, shake your head at what you don't like, and move on.

As I've said, I didn't care for these tales. The style didn't appeal to me and the subject matter didn't appeal to me. Hell, there are whole CATEGORIES on this site that don't appeal to me. Dillinger's had a lot of feedback on this. What I don't understand if how these stories turned into the "example" of what to do or not to do. It's really hard to understand. They're so...harmless.

This series of stories has been singled out enough. It's been maligned and subjected to as much controversy as a porn/erotica site can muster. Just the amount of reaction it's gotten should show that it's doing something right.

I'm sure some really incredible stories get mail saying their stories weren't "hot enough" or some other such nonsense. That's because it didn't fit what the reader was looking for. By that token, some s&f stories ARE going to be what certain readers want.

DILLINGER KNOWS HIS AUDIENCE. He writes for them. They like it. The rest of us may or may not. That doesn't make it wrong or right, good or bad, it just IS. If Dillinger were actively seeking feedback, asking how to improve his stories that would be one thing. He's not. He's FINE with it.

Not everyone wants a Monet in their playroom. Some just want dogs playing cards. And usually they don’t care if it’s properly centered or has the right lighting.

Let it be.

:::descending soap box:::

JUST MHO

MP

[Edited by Madame Pandora on 02-06-2001 at 05:05 PM]

 

[Dillinger]

*lol* This is just too rich! You know, I didn't start this thread - I didn't ask for feedback. I forget most of the time to even look in the Story Feedback forum and see what's going on. But what the hell - you guys want to talk about my stories - good or bad, its fine by me.

MP - Thanks... you said A LOT of what I would have. *smile*

The Jessica stories are what they are. I've posted my comments in other threads. MP is right on the money. A lot of people come to sites like this to get off. Plain and simple. I think these stories fulfill that function quite well. Not for everyone, of course... but at least for some. And yes, I've had feedback from men AND women.

No one should ever speak for others. That's the start of many of the problems this world faces. What is right for one person is wrong for another. Words like "everyone" and "all" and "should" are dangerous. "All women are…" "All black people are…" "All men are…" "Everyone should…" "Everyone knows…"

The word ALL really should be vanquished from the language. A better word would be SOMBUNALL (coined by Robert Anton Wilson). Sombunall means some-but-not-all. We never know "all"; we know, at best, sombunall.

The word "is" becomes questionable as well. It's useful mathematically, because the members of a mathematical set exist abstractly. But when we apply it non-mathematically - to life, to people. Oh man, that is TROUBLE. For example: "This is a great work of art," "This is meaningless drivel," "Dillinger is a terrible writer." It would be more correct to say "This seems like a great work of art to me," "This seems like meaningless drivel to me," "Dillinger seems like a terrible writer to me." We may generously assume that people mean, "this seems like… to me" when they use the word "is" BUT language does tend to have hypnotic effects on people ("Language is a Virus" - Laurie Anderson)

Someone once said that all publicity is good, positive or negative. I'm amazed at how much "press" these stories have gotten. I've had people here tell me they went to read my stories just to see what all the fuss was about. One person told me she never reads the stories here but just had to check these out to find out what the deal was. While they didn't blow her away, she did read all 12.

So, to recap:

Sombunall people think Dillinger is a terrible writer.
Sombunall women don't like to be called a slut.
Sombunall people think Jessica is trying to cover up a lack of excitement.
Sombunall people enjoy Dillinger's stories.
Sombunall people just can't get enough of this subject.
Sombunall people think Jessica is as believable as a paper doll.
Sombunall guys get bored with the "cock and cum crazy whore" persona. (NOT ME! *lol*)
Sombunall readers think Dillinger's use of parenthesis is like algebra.
Sombunall men get hard-ons while doing belly flops.

(Hey - this was a general vent - nothing aimed at anyone in particular. Just some of the thoughts that have been churning around in my head since this whole thing started. I'm a nice guy… really I am. *weg*

Sombunall people think I'm a nice guy.
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A monk who had meditated long in search of Illumination finally received a great flash of insight. Rushing to his roshi (Zen Master), the monk cried out, "I have it! I have it! That rock there is inside my head."

"You must have a big head," the Master replied, "to hold a rock that size."

 

[ruralgoddess]

The wit and humor displayed on this board is wonderful! I enjoyed reading all the opinions. What marvelously mature reactions by all. I have an anecdote or two of my own to share about feedback.

I submitted my first stories to Literotica and then checked back every day, anxiously awaiting their appearance on the "new" listing. Finally they showed up on the list, and I was thrilled. I shared the email feedback with my husband that evening. The first one was very complimentary, as was the second. The third was also. "Hey, this is fun," I told my hub.

The fourth email was a killer: "Two words: TRY AGAIN. I mean HELLO, that story was so predictable..." "...If you can\'t write with the Big boy literotica writers, then keep your ass on the alt.sexstories" That kind of feedback is meant to be rude, and I just try to ignore it. I much prefer the kind person who said while they liked another of my stories they felt it lacked conclusion. I can learn from that. (I took another look at the story and agreed with the reader.)

Hey, I'm pretty new at this stuff. I write what I like, and that story went over well with my small group. You sure can't please everybody, and I don't try. I like both romantic and slutty. "It's all good." What is most important to me is that I'm satisfied with what I write. I do like to hear other's opinions, but I learned long ago that what gets one person hot might leave the next person cold. One of my stories got a "5" for the first reader's vote. The next voter gave it a "1". See what I mean? (I won't give someone that low a rating unless it is written very badly. To rate a story on whether or not it gets you hot is not good enough, it's too subjective.)

And then there is the topic "how people talk during sex". I was discussing that subject with a friend of mine. She said "People only talk that way in porn movies."

I told her with a wink, "Some people talk that way." I have posted true (none here yet) stories that sound like somebody had to have made it up. "People don't really do that stuff and talk that way do they?"

BTW, after reading the quotes from Dillinger's stories (thank you CRaZy) I am going to read them all! (I think Jessica and I could be friends.)

Guess I ran a little long. It's my first post to these boards, I promise I won't hold it all in for so long next time!

 

[Dillinger]

ruralgoddess

Nice comments - ruralgoddess - and quite a way to jump into things for your first ever post.

I look foward to seeing you around the boards - check out the General Board that's where most of the action is.

I'm curious to hear what you think about my stories after you get a chance to read them... *smile*

 

[Royal_Prince]

Neutral

Alright true enough not everyone will like the things you write. Like for instance, I wrote this short story called Rayford Street (dramatic) and it has sat on my shelf for two years with absolutly no interest from publishers! This story is my absolute favorite. While on the other hand some stories I have written that I think are so-so end up being peoples favorite. So you just never know what resides within peoples tastes. By the way from the beginning of the post about the parenthesis- it is a voice that can not be created in any other way. I have been using them since i had my first work published... Practice reading them the way they are intended and it will do wonders for your imagination.

 

[Dillinger]

Re: Neutral

Alright true enough not everyone will like the things you write. Like for instance, I wrote this short story called Rayford Street (dramatic) and it has sat on my shelf for two years with absolutly no interest from publishers! This story is my absolute favorite. While on the other hand some stories I have written that I think are so-so end up being peoples favorite. So you just never know what resides within peoples tastes. By the way from the beginning of the post about the parenthesis- it is a voice that can not be created in any other way. I have been using them since i had my first work published... Practice reading them the way they are intended and it will do wonders for your imagination.

Good points. Everyone has different tastes. I think James Joyce is incredible - other's disagree. Some people like Sci-fi - some don't.

I agree with you about parenthesis (obviously) as well.

Welcome to the board.