Masturbation is wrong?

[fma20fma]

I have watched a guy masturbate while chatting with me two times in about just over one hour.

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

Finding cocksuckers cured me of masturbating too.

I didn't say they cured me, although they have made the desire to masturbate frequently somewhat less urgent. I would save up sometimes so I'd have a good load for them to swallow.

 

[WhO2]

My wife was raised in a strict evangelical house and never enjoyed self pleasure. My previous GF did it all the time, so I needed the wife to enjoy it, too. It took over a year of marriage, many episodes of Berman and Berman, and some time reading Ross and Dodson to convince her to try it. She definitely loked it. I knew I had converted her when I woke up and felt her doing it one night.

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

Some Bible "scholars" claim that the following quote is Jesus's declaration that masturbation is a sin.

Matthew 5:27–30. Jesus speaks against having lustful intentions and then says, “If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.”

That's why I always masturbate left handed.

 

[Greylag]

It's unfortunate how the church and its community will turn something so pleasurable into something ugly and dirty. But it took me a long time to allow myself to orgasm, because I just knew God was watching and judging. Conservative society has to stick its nose into everyone's business and screw it up!

But we are made in Gods Image so how can any of what we do be wrong or dirty? Religion and its repressive position on sexuality has a lot to answer for IMO!

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

But we are made in Gods Image so how vacant any of what we do be wrong or dirty? Religion and its repressive position on sexuality has a lot to answer for IMO!

I'm NOT saying masturbation is wrong, but it seems to me that the argument you just made would then also justify murder. ??

 

[Greylag]

I'm NOT saying masturbation is wrong, but it seems to me that the argument you just made would then also justify murder. ??

Not wishing to get into deep theological dispute but aren’t you forgetting the Ten Commandments….thou shalt not kill?

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

Your statement: "we are made in Gods Image so how vacant any of what we do be wrong or dirty?"

Oh, I don't want to get into a theological discussion with you either, but you invoked God to justify your argument that masturbation is not wrong. The Ten Commandments aside, I was saying that, by your statement, your implication is that any of what we do can't be wrong or dirty" because "we are made in God's Image".

 

[fullservice65]

If masturbation is wrong, I never want to be right.

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

If masturbation is wrong, I never want to be right.

Damn. So now every time I masturbate I will hear the song, "If Loving You Is Wrong, I Don’t Want To Be Right".

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

I grew up Catholic. I don't remember ever being told not to do that. They never said it was acceptable either, just didn't talk about masturbation. When they addressed sex at religion classes or in church, the emphasis was usually on waiting for marriage to have sex.

At that time, I believe the official position of the church was still that masturbating was wrong. No sex of any kind except for the purpose of making more little Catholics.

Spot on. No official teaching except that sex outside of marriage was wrong.

However, when I was in Catholic high school, a Christian Brother teacher met with me privately and asked me if I masturbated. I didn't want to answer but he pressed on, encouraging me to take out my cock, and masturbate in front of him. Of course, then he probably would have told me that I sinned, but that he would keep it a secret from others (the priest and my classmates) and pray for my forgiveness, but we would have to meet regularly.

I figured out pretty quickly that he was baiting me. At some point he would have tried to bribe me into letting him take over and/or suck me off, and then wanted me to do the same for him. He was an obvious predator.

By the way, the Catholic Church's position on masturbation hasn't changed.

 

[OralDave]

Masturbation is inevitable. No right or wrong.

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

Masturbation is inevitable. No right or wrong.

Exactly.

 

[womaneater58]

Masturbation is inevitable. No right or wrong.

Lit makes me do it.

 

[Maturelickr]

Then I am truly a very bad Catholic

Good for you!

 

[Piperman1971]

Good for you!

Masterbation is wrong so I beg my wife to do it for me

 

[womaneater58]

I don't think it's wrong but if I did I'd find someone to do it for me.

 

[hulmule]

It's sad that people were brought up that it is bad( my wife) it's natural, releases stress...

 

[Piperman1971]

It's good at relieving stress ,I must be stressed all the time

 

[Kenrychard]

LOL, one of the most fucked up views of Christianity. "it is better to spill your seed in the belly of a whore than it is to spill it upon the ground". And somewhere in Leviticus I think, paraphrased, "an elder of the tribe and a priest who carried sacraments was seen entering into the home of a prostitute, this defiled him and the sacraments he touched and he was stoned to death."

So, being with a prostitute was sin deserving death, and masturbating even worse, completely logical, except... what other verse of the law, anywhere in the Bible is phrased "Tis better to" and then turned upside down to mean, oh, its saying the other is worse than. No, it means BETTER TO, exactly as stated. And the stoned to death priest? The original Hebrew wasn't "prostitute" it was "temple prostitute". A Pagan temple where paying a temple priestess/prostitute was an act of worship. He was stoned to death for worshipping a Pagan God.

The real meanings? Prostitution was legal and vital. It provide an outlet for un wed men. Boys were encouraged to visit a prostitute and not masturbate. Why? because when you masturbate there is usually an object of desire. Often your betrothed. Masturbation relieves the immediate sexual energy, but it builds lust and obsession... which put the purity and safety of the young girls at risk from the boys. Visiting a prostitute relieved the boys sexual need directly with a real woman( often a specialist) AND the boys got some education so they weren't a complete disappointment to their wives on the wedding night.

Organized Christianity is full of bullshit not supported by the very text it quotes. Not when you have actual academic translations AND knowledge of the society at the time. I was Baptist, so I sinned every day, some times multiple times a day, from age 11 until, hell, today. And I was a virgin that felt guilt for it over years while my peers were lying to girls to get sex, or spiking drinks and getting them drunk, or just plain brute force and intimidation to fuck or molest. They were studs.

Got a better translated Bible and started figuring stuff out for myself. You want to learn Judeo Christian sexuality? stick to the Old Testament. The New Testament, well church's like to forget that Christ's closest disciple was a woman and a former prostitute. Instead they rely on Paul for guidance. A woman hating celibate zealot whose FIRST letter to Corinthians, if followed, would have led to mankind dying out from no children, he had to retract in the second letter and say, if married be married, if single stay single. much more liberal view, that STILL would have caused us to all die out because we are all single before we marry! What a self righteous jackass, he even says numerous times.. "Jesus sayeth thus, but I Paul say This... so he figured he had the authority to set stricter guidelines than God in Flesh himself. But, he is the inspiration for Catholics and Protestants today.

 

[jehoram]

The New Testament, well church's like to forget that Christ's closest disciple was a woman and a former prostitute.

If you are talking about Mary Magdalene, that's a misconception. She was not a prostitute, but her character has been conflated with another woman.

As for interpreting the Bible, you can't do much better than Isaac Asimov's "Guide to the Bible." It fills you in on the historical accuracy and the now accepted interpretations of the passages. As somebody else said, it's the best book on the Bible ever written by an atheist.

 

[Kenrychard]

If you are talking about Mary Magdalene, that's a misconception. She was not a prostitute, but her character has been conflated with another woman.

As for interpreting the Bible, you can't do much better than Isaac Asimov's "Guide to the Bible." It fills you in on the historical accuracy and the now accepted interpretations of the passages. As somebody else said, it's the best book on the Bible ever written by an atheist.

Yes, I have heard both arguments about Mary, and that she has been confused wrongly with one of the women who was a prostitute. But it makes for a good point. Thanks for the correction. I went to Young's Literal translation as a primary source, with its Concordance. And then consulted a local Baptist minister who was a Phd scholar in Old testament Hebrew and Aramaic, it was a sermon from him that I heard first about the lazy translation of "Temple Prostitute" to just prostitute. And then added my brother, a PhD historian and geographer who had been in Palestine/Israel working digs. As an insane, obsessed and OCD researcher he spent all his free time there researching Old testament cultures, and it was his insight into the role of prostitution in society that really nailed it. And then I discovered that everything I had dug through and learned was easily available on the internet in an .edu website that explained a ton of modern era misconceptions of Bible teachings based on bad translations and a complete disregard for what was known of the culture at the time, instead interpreting the "meaning" of scripture as if it had been written yesterday in 1600 England. Would have saved me a lot of effort, but learning things the hard way has its rewards. Of course my pedulum, once freed from Puritanical repression, has swung a bit far the other way. I'm here.

 

[dodgeboy2]

I just finished the book, "I Heard You Paint Houses". It's the inside story of the mafia. The main character, Frank Sheeran said that he never masturbated. The church (Catholic) was against it and so was he.

Is this really a Catholic thing? I used to have a female friend who thought it was disgusting so she'd just hook up with various guys to get sex. She had one abortion and one child born out of wedlock.

My ex husband thought it was disgusting as well.

But I know a ton of other Catholic people and the subject just never came up.

Is this really frowned upon?

Yes it is or at least was frowned upon by the Catholic church as I was taught so very very long ago, however unlike your ex (if he was Catholic) I didn't care and did it back then and still do to this day. However I am sure that has changed some in the religion.

 

[ParkerSteve66]

Yes it is or at least was frowned upon by the Catholic church as I was taught so very very long ago, however unlike your ex (if he was Catholic) I didn't care and did it back then and still do to this day. However I am sure that has changed some in the religion.

I don't think so. Catholic Church still considers masturbation a serious or mortal sin.

 

[jehoram]

I don't think so. Catholic Church still considers masturbation a serious or mortal sin.

Not according to Father Guido Sarducci: