Milgram's Experiment

[catalina_francisco]

ok, i will retract my previous statement, and when i said it, i knew i would regret it *smiles* because it didn't come out right, i meant more that they have morals maybe? and would not do anything asked of them that breaks the law, would land them in jail, etc....and hopefully would not be asked that...anyway i'm doing a terrible job of explaining again so i'll stop..hehe...

LOL, is OK, I know what you meant. And believe me, as much as I try and do as intended, I fall often and cannot manage it for quite some time and even then with less than an enthusiastic response a 'true' slave should have. Sheeesh, there are some things I have been working on accepting for over a year now, and others I used to do well and enjoy which are now a problem for me...go figure. What matters to F is that the genuine intent is there, not whether I can be perfect in every way...lol, he says he would get bored then and have nothing to look forward to forcing me to do. Poor man, fancy wanting to be burdened with a highly emotional, overly sensitive, sometimes defiant, often struggling, often sick or ailing slave such as moi. He should get therapy!!

Catalina

 

[lil_slave_rose]

LOL, is OK, I know what you meant. And believe me, as much as I try and do as intended, I fall often and cannot manage it for quite some time and even then with less than an enthusiastic response a 'true' slave should have. Sheeesh, there are some things I have been working on accepting for over a year now, and others I used to do well and enjoy which are now a problem for me...go figure. What matters to F is that the genuine intent is there, not whether I can be perfect in every way...lol, he says he would get bored then and have nothing to look forward to forcing me to do. Poor man, fancy wanting to be burdened with a highly emotional, overly sensitive, sometimes defiant, often struggling, often sick or ailing slave such as moi. He should get therapy!!

Catalina

LOL..glad that you understood what i meant, and ya know i often think Master needs therapy to put up with me too. i try for Him and like F, that's what makes Him happy, where as if i just protest and give 500 reasons why i don't feel like doing it, i'm gonna get into trouble (and yes, i've done that) none of us are perfect and i tend to agree that life would be BORING if we were.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

THe key aspect of BDSM that is missing from Milgrem is the concept of negotiiation and limits. Yes, there are certain people hwo are 'no limits' slaves, but they allow themselves to be no limits becuase they trust that their Dominant will stay within the concept of SSC. In Milgrem it was about strangers, whereas in BDSM it is about people who have a bond of trust that has built up between the participants.

As to the Stanford prision expiriment that was refrenced elsewhere in this thread, I have to say that I believe it is less relavent to the lifestyle in that for the most part BDSM is an indvidual one on one dynamic, (there are esxceptions) whereas the Stanford experiment was about group dynamics of power.

 

[marieR19]

Interesting. I've never heard of this experiment until now, but I have heard of ones like it, and it is kinda scary what some people will do to others just because someone of higher authority tells them to.

For the right Mistress, I think I could/would do just about anything and let her do just about anything... When it comes to me. But doing something bad/illegal to someone else? No, I really don't think I could, no matter who told me to. I care too much about people's feelings and well-being.


Heather

 

[Sir Victor]

Yes, this is an interesting discussion, but I wonder if what you're really looking for is to understand the difference between a sub and a slave. There have been discussions about this.

 

[Kailey_86]

i will do anything J wants me to do....within reason. If He asks me to kill someone, He obviously is not mentally stable and therefore not suitable to be a Dom. i would probably leave Him on the spot.

i am definately not giving up my responsibilities by being a sub at all. If anything, i am gaining more responsibility.

As for the experiment, i think that FluteMaster summed it up nicely.

Milgram started this experiment thinking about the Nazis. i am guessing that the Nazis did what they did partly because of what the experiment proves but i also think that the threat of being killed if they didn't follow orders has a little something to do with it as well.

 

[Amora]

I joined this forum because the D/s lifestyle appeals to me in certain respects. However, your questions echo my concerns almost perfectly. This is the main reason why I haven't opted to just "dive in" though I've had the opportunity recently. I don't know if I'm capable of trusting someone enough to relinquish control in situations that may put me on shaky moral ground (particularly regarding casual sex,) or in situations that may jeopardize my future. My desire to be a sub stems more from my need to trust someone completely and to discover a sense of strength rather than from a desire to shirk responsibility.

Really interesting questions!

Regarding casual sex, if you are against casual sex, if it is a hard limit for you then when you eneter a D/s relationship you should discuss this and set that as a limit. In time you may choose to change that limit but I imagine that for you, the fact of having someone you can trust to that level and know they will never ask you to do that is a good basis for a relationship.

Amora