Over 63 million abortions have occurred in the US since Roe v. Wade decision in 1973

[icanhelp1]

Deflecting from what facts? OP says there were over 63 million abortions since 1973. No one disputed that number. 74 asked him to check on how many appendectomies have been done since 73. I asked him how many vasectomies.

Its not deflection in a post about numbers of X.

I get your opposed to a woman having control over "her" body. But our two questions are not deflections, we are just asking the statistician to provide the number of X, to our questions.

 

[ll74]

That's a non sequitur argument! you know it and I know it! You're deflecting from the facts.

Not deflecting from facts at all. I'm sure they're not accurate, but besides that, I don't care how many abortions were performed. The post is meant to get an emotional response from those who equate an abortion with murder and babies.

 

[icanhelp1]

You're making a mockery of the facts that were posted, just you being your ignorant self again injecting yourself into a conversation trying to prove to whoever takes you seriously that you're a clever chap, more like chump with the cerebral capacity of a chimp.

I'm opposed to killing babies. The new "slang" term viability of a fetus is the new operative justification for abortion. So from the time of conception all the way through to birth or after birth when does a fetus become a person? We really don't have a true scientific answer to that, as the science changes so doesn't public opinions, so to arbitrarily inject a value of * person *, unsubstantiated by factual evidence, then I believe we should error on the side of the fetus. To agnostics a fetus is just a clump of cells that becomes a person if it can survive on its own outside the womb, so, using that analogy if a baby is removed by using the medical procedure of Cesarean section the moment the doctor remove that baby from the womb the baby becomes a person, I don't believe that's the case. I'm not demeaning women or removing choice, I'm defending a life.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're making a mockery of the facts that were posted, just you being your ignorant self again injecting yourself into a conversation trying to prove to whoever takes you seriously that you're a clever chap, more like chump with the cerebral capacity of a chimp.

I'm opposed to killing babies. The new "slang" term viability of a fetus is the new operative justification for abortion. So from the time of conception all the way through to birth or after birth when does a fetus become a person? We really don't have a true scientific answer to that, as the science changes so doesn't public opinions, so to arbitrarily inject a value of * person *, unsubstantiated by factual evidence, then I believe we should error on the side of the fetus. To agnostics a fetus is just a clump of cells that becomes a person if it can survive on its own outside the womb, so, using that analogy if a baby is removed by using the medical procedure of Cesarean section the moment the doctor remove that baby from the womb the baby becomes a person, I don't believe that's the case. I'm not demeaning women or removing choice, I'm defending a life.

You keep posting your own ignorance of the subject matter. Your first bolded question is codified in law.

 

[icanhelp1]

Not deflecting from facts at all. I'm sure they're not accurate, but besides that, I don't care how many abortions were performed. The post is meant to get an emotional response from those who equate an abortion with murder and babies.

Equal to the emotional response of a women's choice to abort. When the actual horrific medical procedure of abortion is publically displayed it changes opinions, from clinical to reality makes a difference. I'm not saying that all abortions should be banned.

 

[icanhelp1]

You keep posting your own ignorance of the subject matter. Your first bolded question is codified in law.

You're uninformed.

 

[ll74]

You're making a mockery of the facts that were posted, just you being your ignorant self again injecting yourself into a conversation trying to prove to whoever takes you seriously that you're a clever chap, more like chump with the cerebral capacity of a chimp.

I'm opposed to killing babies. The new "slang" term viability of a fetus is the new operative justification for abortion. So from the time of conception all the way through to birth or after birth when does a fetus become a person? We really don't have a true scientific answer to that, as the science changes so doesn't public opinions, so to arbitrarily inject a value of * person *, unsubstantiated by factual evidence, then I believe we should error on the side of the fetus. To agnostics a fetus is just a clump of cells that becomes a person if it can survive on its own outside the womb, so, using that analogy if a baby is removed by using the medical procedure of Cesarean section the moment the doctor remove that baby from the womb the baby becomes a person, I don't believe that's the case. I'm not demeaning women or removing choice, I'm defending a life.

Yes, I get that you equate abortion with murder. It's not.

Fetuses aren't babies. Viability is important to understand independent life capability.

You're the one who responded to me. If you don't like what I'm saying....then ignore it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're uninformed.

*chuckles* I am uninformed, yet I know the answers to your question..hmmm interesting projection of your own self denial.

(a)
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
(Added Pub. L. 107–207, § 2(a), Aug. 5, 2002, 116 Stat. 926.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...d “individual” as including born-alive infant

 

[icanhelp1]

*chuckles* I am uninformed, yet I know the answers to your question..hmmm interesting projection of your own self denial.

(a)
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
(b)
As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
(c)
Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
(Added Pub. L. 107–207, § 2(a), Aug. 5, 2002, 116 Stat. 926.)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/chapter-1#:~:text=§ 8. “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

Not discussing an act of congress. You should read what you google. Instead of FUZZYNUTS you should go by the alt GOOGLEPUTZ.

 

[ll74]

Equal to the emotional response of a women's choice to abort. When the actual horrific medical procedure of abortion is publically displayed it changes opinions, from clinical to reality makes a difference. I'm not saying that all abortions should be banned.

It's a fetus.

If you have some belief that it's a baby, I can see where you might get emotional.

 

[Rightguide]

63 million abortions have happened and you don't care. Practically no "pro-lifer" gives a rat's ass for the life of any fetus. It's just a culture-war issue to fight.

It's more about the mentality that thinks abortion on demand is perfectly alright. The acceptance of a disregard for innocent human life is something that's characteristic of the totalitarian regimes and ideologies that have darkened the history of the human race.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It would help if they were human lives one way or the other which they are not. This concept that being free is a characteristic of totalitarian regimes is absolutely absurd by the by.

 

[ll74]

It's more about the mentality that thinks abortion on demand is perfectly alright. The acceptance of a disregard for innocent human life is something that's characteristic of the totalitarian regimes and ideologies that have darkened the history of the human race.

A fetus will always take second priority behind the woman.

Once it's born, then it's a human life.

 

[Rightguide]

It would help if they were human lives one way or the other which they are not. This concept that being free is a characteristic of totalitarian regimes is absolutely absurd by the by.

Science says different. The snuffing out of viable human life, whether it is flushed down a toilet, tossed into a dumpster, or extracted, dissected and sold for profit, has very little relation to freedom but more so to do with evil, personal irresponsibility, ignorance, and sloth.

 

[PlanetaryNebula]

The answer would have to be the state. So there you have it. Conservatives are all for the welfare state after all.

Damn. When you put it that way…. Interesting viewpoint!

 

[pecksniff]

It's more about the mentality that thinks abortion on demand is perfectly alright. The acceptance of a disregard for innocent human life is something that's characteristic of the totalitarian regimes and ideologies that have darkened the history of the human race.

But it so happens at this stage of history that the most free and enlightened and civilized countries on Earth are also the ones where abortion is easiest to get -- and that the most free and civilized and enlightened regions of this particular country are also the ones where abortion is easiest to get.

 

[pecksniff]

Science says different. The snuffing out of viable human life, whether it is flushed down a toilet, tossed into a dumpster, or extracted, dissected and sold for profit, has very little relation to freedom but more so to do with evil, personal irresponsibility, ignorance, and sloth.

Science says nothing about any of that, one way or another. Science does not make value judgments.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

But it so happens at this stage of history that the most free and enlightened and civilized countries on Earth are also the ones where abortion is easiest to get -- and that the most free and civilized and enlightened regions of this particular country are also the ones where abortion is easiest to get.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Abortion Rates (annually per 1000 women) - United Nations​

1. Russia - 53.7 (2004)
2. Vietnam - 35.2 (2000)
3. Kazakhstan - 35.0 (2004)
4. Estonia - 33.3 (2005)
5. Belarus - 31.7 (2004)
6. Romania - 27.8 (2004)
7. Ukraine - 27.5 (2004)
8. Latvia - 27.3 (2004)
9. Cuba - 24.8 (2004)

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Nothing like 2 decades-old data to support your fucked narrative.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Not discussing an act of congress. You should read what you google. Instead of FUZZYNUTS you should go by the alt GOOGLEPUTZ.

Are you this dumb??? You asked when is a fetus considered a person. That answer is defined in the code, which I posted. Yes I had to go find the code online, do you fucking think I store shit like that on my laptop....?

Maybe you should try using Google, you would actually learn something, instead of posting your idiotic shit here on a porn board...*chuckles*

 

[Philthy_Phil]

If poverty is your measure, why is race your focus? ¯\(°_o)/¯

Americans are obsessed with race.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Science says different. The snuffing out of viable human life, whether it is flushed down a toilet, tossed into a dumpster, or extracted, dissected and sold for profit, has very little relation to freedom but more so to do with evil, personal irresponsibility, ignorance, and sloth.

No the science does not say different. It says precisely that, they are not human lives. They are certainly not viable human life. They are potential human life in the same way apples are potential trees but no amount of identical DNA makes them trees. Sorry cupcake, that's just the breaks on this one. Also none of the things you list happen on a regular enough basis to give a shit. I mean I'm sure you can google some verified time where it happened just like I could google up people who amputated a leg because someone wanted to try out cannibalism. All sorts of shit happens.

You can keep lying about the science and admit you're just using religion as a crutch. Its not like the Right Wing believe in science anyway which is why we have to discuss both sides of evolution as if there were two, global warming and even stem cell research.

 

[ll74]

Americans are obsessed with race.

The right brings up race if race is not getting enough focus.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Americans are obsessed with race.

Not without reason mind you.

 

[icanhelp1]

Are you this dumb??? You asked when is a fetus considered a person. That answer is defined in the code, which I posted. Yes I had to go find the code online, do you fucking think I store shit like that on my laptop....?

I never asked any such question.

Maybe you should try using Google, you would actually learn something, instead of posting your idiotic shit here on a porn board...*chuckles*

Try reading for comprehension:

Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.