PF&D Soapbox

[MyNecroticSnail]

I think we need a thread where we can put all the PF&D pleas and rancor. We are such a needy group at times. You know, the "why can't we save the whales" or "your concept of poetry is just fucking stupid" squeals and rants that seem to clog up the other threads. So, folks, I am giving you a forum. Put 'em here. Rant on or, sorry, present your cogent and convincing arguments for an alternate universe, here.


And what the heck. Threadjack this baby up the wazoo. You have my blessing.

You know, creating a new thread gives one the feeling—a transient, ephemeral feeling—of godhead. Makes me want to write all in capital letters. Like POST TO THIS THREAD OR YOU WILL GO TO HELL! or something.

I like your new AV.
Do you like mine?
I use my cellphone for an ashtray.
I approve of breast feeding in public, but I won't do it.

I think you have it wrong:
You know, creating a new thread gives one the feeling—a transient, ephemeral feeling—of godhead.
god around here is spelled dick, but that's just zen.

 

[bogusbrig]

Waah! I thought you liked me, er, I mean women, um, you know!

I'm hoping since that was way back in another lifetime, you've changed your naughty voyueristic ways.

I'm wicked enough to take this as an invitation to peek in on you having a shower. Yum yum yum.

 

[DeepAsleep]

I have a cell phone, but I mostly send text messages. They're free and I don't have to worry about my minutes if I need to shoot off a reminder.

If anyone wants to engage in textual discourse, PM me, and I'll maybe send you my number. I'm pretty constantly poking buttons on my phone to the same people - new comments would be interesting.

I support breastfeeding if I'm next in line to be fed.

~R

 

[FifthFlower]

I have a little cell phone.
I like it very much.
So when I hear the Luddites rant,
I flip it out; they start to pant.
That's how I keep in touch.

 

[EriAliSaa]

Pretty Fast & Disposable


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...?

Reminds me of before I was married.

 

[EriAliSaa]

lmao ... I am a bit of a speed reader
and I swear I thought you said ... sparks sperm

I know everyone has had this happen ... right?

Wish I could say yes.... but that is just you hon. Sorry if I rained on your parade

 

[EriAliSaa]

I have a issue with people. Just in general nothing specific. Think about it for a second. Where does all problems and little drama emminate from? People. Rarely is it important or life shattering. Rarely is it even interesting or mildly amusing. People shoot at each other over the way the other person drives or cause 30 car pile ups because their little drama or problems are more important than everyone elses life drama or problems.

People shake their babies until they are so severely brain damaged that they die... all because they want to sleep in. People leave their children in cars on warm days because it is too much hassle to get them out to run into the mall for some trinket that is important to no one. They murder for shoes. They maim for the lastest game system. Or take over schools to molest innocent high school girls. They massacre children because they can't manage to kill themselves they need a peace officer to do it.

Worse we have corporations that figure out how expendable human life is in the terms of profit. Whether it be underflating a tire for a smoother SUV rid or not disclosing mortal consequences of a drug so they can maximize profit before it is discovered that one drug does not cure all. We have politicians that go to war under the guise of for the greater good when they don't go help the people with the greater need, and waste countless lives, making a bad situation worse.

I also don't like scones. They are dry and even with jelly don't taste that good. I will eat them if served me so I don't know which is worse. The inconciderate bitch that would serve the offensive snack to me. Or me for eating them because I don't want to people to say "She is such a bitch!"

And most importantly would someone please save the whales that write stupid fucking poetry?

 

[EriAliSaa]

yes, that is definately a no-no.

so what is your idea of a cut off age for nursing in public? I remember thinking that if the kid can ask for it, climb up on the mom's lap and unbutton her blouse it was time to cut off the juice, but idea kind of changed as I got older and lived through it. Although we knew a mom who sent breastmilk in to school with her kindergardener, and I thought that was a bit odd.

Well had a friend that nursed her son until he was just passed three. My first nursed for 15 months. My second is still nursing some at 18 months, but it is mostly whole milk, low production, and no more pumping.

I guess that has nothing to do with anything but that is where things are at here.

 

[EriAliSaa]

Well, I think that if breast milk is the sole source of nourishment for your child, have at it... But, if you are using breast milk as a supplement to other foods, then it's time to leave it behind the material of your shirt in public. If they're old enough to eat food in a restaurant, then buy your children food.

Does your kids eat off their own plate? I swear when I order my kids food they never eat their own and insist on eating off everyone else plate. I must have grass is greener kids. My oldest is the worst for that and has always been that way. She must have taught her sister that because now they both do it.

 

[EriAliSaa]

It's not fair to expect every child and mother to have the same preferences but I think it would be fair for EVERYONE in that environment to respect each other. So, if a mom can nourish her baby through giving the child appropriate finger foods or blended meals, I really would hope that she would have the consideration to choose that alternative than the breast while in a public place.

I have never understood why it is so distasteful to see a child nurse. I mean smaller the bikini the better, right? If you manage to just barely cover your nipples on a beach or where ever you are an object of desire. If you have a child suckle from you it is repulsive?

Sounds a bit like it is ok to be seen as a playground, you know show as much tits and ass as possible, just as long as you don't dare shatter men's delusions that those breast aren't made exclusively for their personal enjoyment.

 

[Angeline]

I have never understood why it is so distasteful to see a child nurse. I mean smaller the bikini the better, right? If you manage to just barely cover your nipples on a beach or where ever you are an object of desire. If you have a child suckle from you it is repulsive?

Sounds a bit like it is ok to be seen as a playground, you know show as much tits and ass as possible, just as long as you don't dare shatter men's delusions that those breast aren't made exclusively for their personal enjoyment.

Lenny Bruce used to say that the only time it's ok (in the American media) to show boobies is when they're mangled in an accident. Pretty, healthy boobies--breastfeeding or not--are unacceptable. That was 50 years ago and it hasn't much changed. What a fucked-up sensibility we have.

If you take away the right to say 'fuck' then you take away the right to say 'fuck the government'.
Lenny Bruce

 

[EriAliSaa]

*Puts the militant feminist back on the shelf after this last rant*

Sorry. I felt ashamed and embarassed out in public with my first. It felt like I should be uncomfortable doing what comes natural even when my baby girl was just a couple months old. We spend too much time in bathroom stalls being "conciderate". Society tries to tells us to be ashamed of what comes naturally. Selling us formula, baby food, and being "conciderate".

40 years ago they discouraged breast feeding for no real medical reason. They sold tons of formula and sold the public on the idea that nature was obcene. And now we should feel that we're inconciderate for lifting a blouse and letting our kids eat as nature intended?

I got militant after one particularly hard lunch out. I went to the bathroom before lunch came (a pizza) and tried to nurse in a stall. I had nursed publically in situations where I could be in a dark corner or out of the way and I had even gotten the looks. Well it stank. My baby girl was fussy and didn't want to be there. But we tried and tried until I was in tears and so was she from the frustration. I went back out a basket case and was going to go to the car and nurse when I was asked where I was going and what took so long.

I don't really know what I said. I let loose all of my frustration and anxiety out on my husband. I think I told him how I felt people looked at me, how hard it was feeding in a bathroom stall, how i was going to have to go to the car, I wasn't going to get hot food, and all the stigma that goes along with breastfeeding.

He said, "You've been feeding my daughter in a bathroom? Oh no. No more of that bullshit." He put a piece of hot pizza on my plate and got out a blanket from the car seat and held it for me saying, "You feed her right here and eat your meal. If anyone has a problem with it they can deal with me."

The confidence did wonders for me. I wasn't as timid and more natural about it which did make a difference. Those that did give me dirty looks usually I smiled them down and those that didn't conceal their disapproval I pointed out to my husband who is a big man and glares very well.

But what still gets me that I have friends that gave up breast feeding because of the public stigma and I have seen new mothers get stared down as they struggle to adjust in complete frustration of trying to nurse a baby in public. Usually if I can I try to help, with a blanket or asking them if I can do anything help. But society as a whole should be conciderate, and starting a family and feeding a child should not be about being conciderate unless they are being unruly, even if they eat solid foods.

Yes there are extreme examples of going to far with breast feeding, but extremes are in everything... like women getting arrested for breast feeding in public just like women that breast feed 8 year olds. But those shouldn't effect the issue itself.

Ok I will get off this soapbox now.

 

[EriAliSaa]

Lenny Bruce used to say that the only time it's ok (in the American media) to show boobies is when they're mangled in an accident. Pretty, healthy boobies--breastfeeding or not--are unacceptable. That was 50 years ago and it hasn't much changed. What a fucked-up sensibility we have.

Yeah I guess that is true. Violence and blood are all over the TV. FCC has no problem with excessive gore both real and theatric. But show a boob at a football game and it is like the world is at an end. I guess that is about how things are.

 

[champagne1982]

I have never understood why it is so distasteful to see a child nurse. I mean smaller the bikini the better, right? If you manage to just barely cover your nipples on a beach or where ever you are an object of desire. If you have a child suckle from you it is repulsive?

Sounds a bit like it is ok to be seen as a playground, you know show as much tits and ass as possible, just as long as you don't dare shatter men's delusions that those breast aren't made exclusively for their personal enjoyment.

Hi Eri, I was drawing a line as to what I considered excessive. If you're feeding an infant it is one of the most wonderous things you can do. If you give your breast to your toddler as a pacifier, that is taking the nursing privelege too far, IMO.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Hi Eri, I was drawing a line as to what I considered excessive. If you're feeding an infant it is one of the most wonderous things you can do. If you give your breast to your toddler as a pacifier, that is taking the nursing privelege too far, IMO.

It's also bad for the health of both mother (*physical) and child (**emotional).

*Over extending the lactation limit of glands in the breast.

** The ultimate ithdrawal of the breast is more traumatic to the child than a soother - also bad for dental health.

 

[EriAliSaa]

My Pediatrician has always monitored how my children eat. At 12 months he made sure that breastfeed wasn't what they were exclusively drinking, but strongly encourage breast feeding what she will do. He will tell us in about 2 weeks that my toddler needs the fat in whole milk until 2 years old but still encourage breastfeeding as long as as I am producing. I don't know when is a good age to stop... I would imagine before school age though I don't see my youngest going much further.

It is the idea of the stigma that gets me. It is the memory that I hid in bathrooms for 4 months because of the disapproval. It is the sneered comments from other women about how I should use a bottle when going out.

Early introduction of simple food (before 6 months) and water (before a year) and feeding them hard to digest foods before they are ready has been linked to life long digestive problems and battles with obesity. Of course the key is making sure you have a caring and knowledgeable pediatrician. To make regular visits so your children's needs can be individually met.

Personally I have trouble myself with seeing a child that walks confidently with a pacifier of any kind. I have often found that love, kisses, hugs, and telling them repeatedly how much I love them is all they need to get over the little insecurities. Because I have seen 4 year olds that still suck a pacifier that were never breastfed.

 

[RhymeFairy]

SWF looking for man that enjoys sparkling conversation, long, deep kissing while on hammocks or beanbag cushions, or both, or neither. One that believes in independent thought and co-dependant living. No dogs, cats, hamsters, snakes, or tarantulas, please. Geckos, ok. The j-o-b is A1 (steak optional). Adventuresome, not thrill seeker wanted. Must be able to match tastes around beloved red leather chair. Spanking, a plus.

MWF not looking for anything but sleep and dependable baby-sitter. Housekeeping is a bonus, keeping house clean for more than 3 hours, a godsend. Cleaning kitty litter, doggy doo in yard, a plus. Bathing, optional.

this is too much, I love it ~

I would laugh but it seems too much like my life, except for the married part.... err also the doggy part. Hard to have a pup in an apartment. I am so there with ya my friend. Sending you a dozen


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[clutching_calliope]

this is too much, I love it ~

I would laugh but it seems too much like my life, except for the married part.... err also the doggy part. Hard to have a pup in an apartment. I am so there with ya my friend. Sending you a dozen


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Thanks Rhymey !

 

[RhymeFairy]

mountain whispers
under a blanket of snow,
footprints are words
to be bartered here,
safe passage to warmth -
a compass to the soul
and secrets hidden
in folds of skin and bone.

Warm and yet so cold. Love this one Chris.
I "feel" a lot of sensuality here and then the eyes behold skin and bone. Bone sticks out and makes me wonder, is this a good thing or just, so very very erotic?

Nice write~

 

[RhymeFairy]

Think I ran everyone off this thread ....


Bump ~~

 

[unpredictablebijou]

I don't think you ran anyone off.

I for one am glad to know that this is here. Thanks for reviving it. I may have a rant or two someday.

bj

 

[Angeline]

Think I ran everyone off this thread ....


Bump ~~

That, my dear, will never happen.

 

[RhymeFairy]

That, my dear, will never happen.

You've made my morning, lol. One gets caught up and going to the same spots and forgets to look a lil deeper in tha woods eh ~ I've been back a lil over a month and still I run in circles .... Thank's for the pick-me-up ~~

 

[unpredictablebijou]

Generic Rant.

 

[Angeline]

Generic Rant.

This one's good, too.