Popular Psychology article on Women and Porn

[XerXesXu]

Come on, LC, be fair - writing 'he lapped at her succulent sex for half an hour' takes two seconds, while actually doing it, takes...well, quite a lot longer.

(For the record, my own personal policy is to stay there until I'm told otherwise...and not to look at my watch during...)


Nah, they'll probably just assume that you've mispelt Caribbean(er), of which there is plenty. In any case I had to Google, not porn of carabiner, but the word itself. Apparently...

Looks like it has utility in BDSM to me...

Google 'rock climbing and bouldering porn', seems no shortage of that. I haven't looked, but I suppose they need a little equipment to keep them from falling off the cliff face.

 

[Bamagan]

With a sample size of only 24 and no assurance that the sample was selected in a way to maximize the validity of its results, it's questionable...

Family Feud arguably conducts more robust surveys.

 

[bumpercars]

One more note, BS about the diversity. Unless you have a fetish for a particular ethnicity, no one sits there and says "Gee, I don't see enough, Latino, or Asian porn stars!"

The woke can't stop their shit even when discussing porn.

I want to see diversity in porn. Lots of different people are pretty and I like to see them. Woke shit, I know.

 

[StillStunned]

Diversity in porn would probably go a long way to improving tolerance around the world.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

My wife's complaint about most porn is that its "hole to hole sex". the woman sucks, she fucks and in many videos the guy barely gropes her tits. She always talks about MFM threesomes where there's two guys but the woman is playing with her own clit because they can't be bothered.

Of course porn is still guy oriented and most guys don't do shit in bed-although on lit every guy claims he'll go down for hours and wants her to cum and....yeah, asshole please. So I get why a lot of it is the way it is.

But there are sites out there who do show more intimacy, undressing, kissing foreplay, they show the guy who is as hot as the woman and not just because of between the legs, but very attractive men(men hate that kind of porn, makes them feel bad because they look like Ron Jeremey, but of course the women are supposed to be okay that every woman in porn is perfect) sites like X-art, PassionX are a couple of those, and there's a lot more, but they always seem to be buried under brazzers and bang bros and all the other porn versions of one handed reads.

I agree with you that women in the majority of porn are objectified in the sense of attractiveness, and men are objectified in the sense that they are practically walking cocks, and their attractiveness often doesn't play a significant role (although European porn is better in this regard). That fact alone probably makes a good part of porn unattractive to heterosexual women. But I am pretty sure none of this is about diversity ( that was a funny part of the article) or women's rights. It is about money. The fact is, an overwhelming part of the porn audience are men who like this kind of vulgar porn that is often reduced to plain hole drilling. I am not ashamed to admit that I prefer lesbian porn over this vulgar stuff. As you've pointed out, there are some different studios, but until the profile of the audience changes in some significant way, I don't think we will be seeing a lot of quality porn, porn that would be arousing for men and women both.

 

[SimonDoom]

I want to see diversity in porn. Lots of different people are pretty and I like to see them. Woke shit, I know.

I want to see tolerance in porn. I believe tolerance is much more important than diversity. People can like whatever they like, and if we all did a better job putting up with that reality and saying "have fun with that" to our fellow erotica mavens the world would be a better place.

 

[lovecraft68]

I agree with you that women in the majority of porn are objectified in the sense of attractiveness, and men are objectified in the sense that they are practically walking cocks, and their attractiveness often doesn't play a significant role (although European porn is better in this regard). That fact alone probably makes a good part of porn unattractive to heterosexual women. But I am pretty sure none of this is about diversity ( that was a funny part of the article) or women's rights. It is about money. The fact is, an overwhelming part of the porn audience are men who like this kind of vulgar porn that is often reduced to plain hole drilling. I am not ashamed to admit that I prefer lesbian porn over this vulgar stuff. As you've pointed out, there are some different studios, but until the profile of the audience changes in some significant way, I don't think we will be seeing a lot of quality porn, porn that would be arousing for men and women both.

The women's rights angle will always be based on how you view sex workers. The side saying it objectives women, demeans them etc will see it as a violation, but the side-the one I'm personally on-that sees being a sex worker as a form of empowerment and these women know what they have, know how to use it, and are making money off the men who are objectifying them.

Although there are still some shady sites, Porn is not the sleazy abusive industry it was years ago full of runaways and addicts and other desperate women. In fact today's adult industry is more and more female driven. The women making their own content on sites like clips for sale, all the couples on porn hub making money having sex with each other in front of the camera, the mega million only fan industry, all of these women are doing this on their own. Personally I think we're not far removed from the big sites like Brazzers etc losing a lot of money to these private channels.

A point I always make in regards to strip clubs to anyone who says its demeaning to women is, "Who is coming there and throwing money at women to see their tits and paying them even more to grind in their lap? Men." Who is the fool here, the one paying for it, or the one making the money? If you talk to an honest stripper they will tell you the girls all laugh at the guys behind the scenes, and they're the ones humiliating themselves.

 

[SimonDoom]

The women's rights angle will always be based on how you view sex workers. The side saying it objectives women, demeans them etc will see it as a violation, but the side-the one I'm personally on-that sees being a sex worker as a form of empowerment and these women know what they have, know how to use it, and are making money off the men who are objectifying them.

Although there are still some shady sites, Porn is not the sleazy abusive industry it was years ago full of runaways and addicts and other desperate women. In fact today's adult industry is more and more female driven. The women making their own content on sites like clips for sale, all the couples on porn hub making money having sex with each other in front of the camera, the mega million only fan industry, all of these women are doing this on their own. Personally I think we're not far removed from the big sites like Brazzers etc losing a lot of money to these private channels.

A point I always make in regards to strip clubs to anyone who says its demeaning to women is, "Who is coming there and throwing money at women to see their tits and paying them even more to grind in their lap? Men." Who is the fool here, the one paying for it, or the one making the money? If you talk to an honest stripper they will tell you the girls all laugh at the guys behind the scenes, and they're the ones humiliating themselves.

It's getting to the point that the porn industry might be a safer place for women than the mainstream movie industry, which is still largely controlled by men with ridiculous amounts of money and power, some of whom believe they are entitled to indulge their appetites with impunity. After all, Harvey Weinstein wasn't in the porn industry. I agree that the 1970s-80s era appraisals of the "porn industry" and its impact on women don't apply anymore to the age of OnlyFans, Pornhub, and online escort pages.

 

[lovecraft68]

I want to see diversity in porn. Lots of different people are pretty and I like to see them. Woke shit, I know.

Something the woke doesn't understand is real diversity, inclusiveness etc has to happen organically, when it does its because people have come around to it and it works. This new idea that empowerment is forcing it on everyone creates back lash and more problems than it solves.

There is also simple reality. Maybe most porn stars are white because there are less Asian, Latino, black etc people who are signing up for it. Trust me, no attractive woman of any ethnic group will be turned down so this isn't discrimination, its who is available. Having said that, I see plenty of Latino and Black and Asian women in porn so like most examples of diversity I think its more about mucking up shit and looking self righteous than there is an actual issue.

 

[EmilyMiller]

...carabiner...

(And given that y'all are going to go and google if I'm right, give it a week or so and the porn industry will have responded well to the sudden spike in demand for carabiner-themed porn.)

I’ve used climbing ropes, does that count?

Em

 

[Mastered_again]

I’ve used climbing ropes, does that count?

Em

Close, so like hand grenades, I'd say yes.

 

[Altissimus]

I’ve used climbing ropes, does that count?

Em

Too kinky for pure carabiner fetishists.

 

[SimonDoom]

I’ve used climbing ropes, does that count?

Em

Natural fibers are better for bondage. Hemp is soft to the touch and smells great. Jute has a tighter weave and looks great in photos. Both feel better than synthetic fiber climbing ropes.

In my limited experience BDSM relies upon solid steel rings rather than carabiners. They're more aesthetically pleasing, and they require the rigger to gain some knowledge of how to do the right knots.

 

[bumpercars]

Something the woke doesn't understand is real diversity, inclusiveness etc has to happen organically, when it does its because people have come around to it and it works. This new idea that empowerment is forcing it on everyone creates back lash and more problems than it solves.

If you believe that me and a 24-person survey saying we like diversity in porn counts as forcing something on everyone, I have to respectfully suggest that your sensors need calibrating. People saying they like a thing is not force.

 

[Mastered_again]

Natural fibers are better for bondage. Hemp is soft to the touch and smells great. Jute has a tighter weave and looks great in photos. Both feel better than synthetic fiber climbing ropes.

In my limited experience BDSM relies upon solid steel rings rather than carabiners. They're more aesthetically pleasing, and they require the rigger to gain some knowledge of how to do the right knots.

And knowledge will set you free

 

[EmilyMiller]

...carabiner...

(And given that y'all are going to go and google if I'm right, give it a week or so and the porn industry will have responded well to the sudden spike in demand for carabiner-themed porn.)

If you want to be more recherché:


I’ve had one fall on my head. Was wearing a helmet and it was just the smallest one.

Em

 

[JuanSeiszFitzHall]

A few random, perhaps attackable, thoughts on this topic:

Diversity can include not just ethnicity, but body type, and facial features that may not qualify as conventionally attractive. A Porn Decision Maker (PDM) (just possibly a cis straight male), auditioning a female performer, isn’t necessarily using only the marketing calculus of ‘Men want to see her fuck.’ If the PDM will be directly involved in the shoot (hey, it happens), he may also be thinking ‘I want to see her fuck.’ The thought process may also include ‘I want to fuck her,’ but he might not be able to fulfill that. Anyway, to the extent that the PDM connects up all of these points, he might conclude that men in general are similar enough to him, so that what gets off his rocks would do the same to his target market. That market doesn’t necessarily include women. I’m not saying this is a good thing, only trying to state how it happens.

In the context of male PDM porn, ethnic diversity might seem a bit squirmy. Asian women, especially diminutive ones, are often portrayed as more controllable or exploitable than white women. If a PDM doesn’t get what he wants IRL with a white woman, he might decide to cast an Asian woman, in the belief that other guys like him have had the same experience. There are also power dynamic aspects, with economic status assumptions, in any visually portrayed sex act between a white male and a woman of color. Yes, the script could be written so as to balance the scales (and even use men who aren’t white), and make all participants eager and happy to be engaging in this sex session. Without that effort being made, however, the sex is a replay of colonialism.

Another aspect of what women expressed in the survey is the lack of male appearance in some porn. I suggest that this results from technological advances starting around twenty years ago. Broadcast quality cameras once were large, heavy boxes that used 3/4” tape and had to be mounted securely to provide decent imagery. Gradually, digital media and developments like image stabilization made it possible for cameras to be smaller and lighter, and handheld images wouldn’t be hopelessly jerky. By about 2006, the male point-of-view (POV) porn, long sought by PDMs, became practical. The viewer was directly in the action, with the recipient of the viewer’s, um, affections, seeming to interact directly with the viewer. In a POV, the main part of the male performer shown in the video is his johnson. With the development of headband-mounted ‘action’ cameras (I’m not being paid by any manufacturers, so I won’t state a product’s name generically), entirely amateur porn can also deliver the goods. As a result of this, I don’t think POV porn is going away, and a PDM would have to make a conscious decision to cast a male performer with an entire body (and maybe face) that could appeal to female viewers. (Yes, there also exists female-POV porn. A headband can be worn on any head.)

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Natural fibers are better for bondage. Hemp is soft to the touch and smells great. Jute has a tighter weave and looks great in photos. Both feel better than synthetic fiber climbing ropes.

In my limited experience BDSM relies upon solid steel rings rather than carabiners. They're more aesthetically pleasing, and they require the rigger to gain some knowledge of how to do the right knots.

Climbing ropes aren't that flexible - they're a bit stiff. Jute and hemp can be scratchy depending on what's available; cotton is often a reliable comfortable rope.

Cuffs or collars with D-rings or O-rings are handy. A carabiner can work well for linking such metal rings together. Many a top never learns knots - rigging is a specialised subgenre of bondage.

Climbing rope and gear can be used for bondage if that's what you've got. E.g. in Educating Laura Ch.5 the characters have climbing gear on their campsite and end up using a hideous lime-green nylon rope, a climbing harness, and carabiners to introduce Laura to bondage, because it's there.

 

[MindYaBitness]

The women's rights angle will always be based on how you view sex workers. The side saying it objectives women, demeans them etc will see it as a violation, but the side-the one I'm personally on-that sees being a sex worker as a form of empowerment and these women know what they have, know how to use it, and are making money off the men who are objectifying them.

I think you make & miss the point here. Sex work is fine, go get your money ladies! However, when porn is unrealistic, devoud of connection, hole focused, & fake orgasms abound, it's just watching someone work. It's as titillating as watching the construction flagger flash her stop/go sign.

 

[Mastered_again]

I think you make & miss the point here. Sex work is fine, go get your money ladies! However, when porn is unrealistic, devoud of connection, hole focused, & fake orgasms abound, it's just watching someone work. It's as titillating as watching the construction flagger flash her stop/go sign.

Now there's not a story idea, "The Continuing Adventures of Flagman" Fighting for Truth, Justice and Traffic Jams

 

[MindYaBitness]

Now there's not a story idea, "The Continuing Adventures of Flagman" Fighting for Truth, Justice and Traffic Jams

Please write this story!

 

[lovecraft68]

I think you make & miss the point here. Sex work is fine, go get your money ladies! However, when porn is unrealistic, devoud of connection, hole focused, & fake orgasms abound, it's just watching someone work. It's as titillating as watching the construction flagger flash her stop/go sign.

I don't feel the quality matters, its the same industry and I don't think the perception is based on whether or not the scene is slower and more seductive and erotic vs the suck, fuck and bye porn we see so much of. If nothing else the expectations of the industry kind of lump it together. Also most actresses do both types of scenes and they may have a personal preference but its money, its work, and I don't think people's opinion of them are elevated by "yeah, she only gives classy blow jobs"

Opinions vary.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Climbing ropes aren't that flexible - they're a bit stiff. Jute and hemp can be scratchy depending on what's available; cotton is often a reliable comfortable rope.

Cuffs or collars with D-rings or O-rings are handy. A carabiner can work well for linking such metal rings together. Many a top never learns knots - rigging is a specialised subgenre of bondage.

Climbing rope and gear can be used for bondage if that's what you've got. E.g. in Educating Laura Ch.5 the characters have climbing gear on their campsite and end up using a hideous lime-green nylon rope, a climbing harness, and carabiners to introduce Laura to bondage, because it's there.

You’d use old ropes. No longer suitable for climbing, but also more flexible.

Em

 

[lovecraft68]

Now there's not a story idea, "The Continuing Adventures of Flagman" Fighting for Truth, Justice and Traffic Jams

Flag man will have to ask the union if he can use his flag after hours.

 

[Mastered_again]

You’d use old ropes. No longer suitable for climbing, but also more flexible.

Em

I'm firmly in the cotton club