Punctuation Predjuice

[Fillor]

I am posting this because when ever I submit a story and leave out some semi colons or
quotation marks in my stories , they get rejected.

"You don't want to confuse the reader do you!" Or some other type of comment.

But recently I read "Mark to Mary" by trannyslut from 2010. I have copied and pasted one paragraph from the story as an example of horrible writing. It all runs together making it hard to read.

I have not embellished this at all.


I walked into the living room and saw another new face. Mark, Mistress Amanda said, this is Mistress Dana. I got a good look at her, she was bout my height, maybe an inch shorter, and had short black hair and wore glasses. Hello Mistress Dana, I said, hello Mark, she said, your right Amanda, he will make a pretty girl. Though, Mark is not a very girlish name, Mistress Dana said, how about Mary? Mistress Amanda pondered it for a few seconds before smiling and saying, yes, Mary sounds perfect. I interrupted, Mistress Amanda, I said, may I ask where my clothes are? I stored them away, she said, you will get your clothes, keys, and other belongings when you leave here Sunday night.



Now when I write a story I leave spaces between conversation so that the reader has an easier time of reading.

"You were a bad boy!" Mistress Amanda said.

"I am most sorry Mistress!" i said..

But what makes me wonders is why the editors would let tranny slut get away with leaving out the quotation marks on this story and it's run on of words.

But yet If i leave out out one " it is denied.

Sorry this has always been a big sore point with me.


I just needed to vent!

Speaking for myself I agree with you, I am European born and never took an English class my whole life. I may make many mistakes, but I am here to have fun and this is not an English class room. If These “perfect” writers want to be a stuck in the mud, be my guest. The only thing I can say is lighten up and give others a chance to learn. This forum has many members from different Countries, and like me, they never went to an English school.

 

[_Lynn_]

I don't detest it.

When I make a remark like this, its to point out the simple fact that they don;t seem to care about quality. So you're speaking for the site owners? You know what they care about?

Granted it is an author's responsibility to at least make an attempt at a legible story. Not all authors have the same level of knowledge when it comes to writing. What one person considers a poor attempt might be the best another person can do.

But once it's up here it is a reflection on the site. Well-written stories are a reflection on the site as well, and I'm guessing there's a high number of them out there.

This site makes more than enough money without a ton of overhead to throw a few bucks two a second or third pair of eyes to ensure better quality of stories and to enforce some of the rules they say they have. So again, you're speaking for the owners? You know how much the site makes and what the overhead is?

There are some people here who want to read pure stroke and won't give a rats ass where the commas are.

But there are people who do like to read a reasonably well presented story and will shake their heads and say, "well they obviously don't care here" if they land on a few shitty ones out of the gate. And now you know what the readers will say about the site too?

Sorry, I guess I am not a good koolaid drinker or lickspittle.

I don't know how long Lush has been around or what its history is. Lit may be the top site simply being in existence long enough. Lush also has more content restrictions than Lit does. However, they also have forums and contests, although I haven't had the time or chance to participate in them. I do get the impression, though, that readers/users at Lush are pretty loyal.

I would agree that SOL does not offer these opportunities. They have fewer content restrictions, but they rarely offer contests and although I understand they have forums, I don't think they're used as heavily as Lit's.

I have to disagree on SR. I've seen him answer questions, often the same ones, same as I answer or Darkniciad or a few others. And so what if he doesn't critique? If people ask for that, he's free to say no, as are we all. And he's not asking people to read or critique his. I'm sure there are plenty of people who post here and just "use" Lit's resources as opposed to participating in the community. So what? And SR does participate. But posting here, either stories or in the forums, does not obligate anyone to provide a story critique.

I agree with you about SR. In fact, he is often the first person to answer.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I agree with you about SR. In fact, he is often the first person to answer.

I must beg to differ. sr is a font of knowledge which he is ready to share (with a tad of chutzpah at times) but has never adapted to the premise of Story Feedback. He is far more at home in the editors' forum.

People use the SF for many issues but the preeminent reason is to request knowledgeable feedback on their submissions. They want something deeper than Public Comments: they want advice to improve.

Over the years, there have been loads of good writers who have taken the time to read and critique new writers. From Imp and Abstuse to Jenny J, Selena and Danielle K., and including Belagon, Rumple Foreskin et al, and their comments have often given rise to some good threads, useful to new writers.

Lately, only CWatson seems to carry the flag for the overarching reason for this forum. Others have fled under the vituperation that has crept into the forum.

lovecraft would do more to promote his mission to improve the quality of stories on Lit if he lowered himself to advize a newbie. As would sr.

I enjoyed giving my two cents but pathological antipathy from sr - who claims he never reads other people's stories, so how does he know - made me see there is more to life than being pursued by a maniac.

SF needs to be made more welcoming.

 

[lovecraft68]

I must beg to differ. sr is a font of knowledge which he is ready to share (with a tad of chutzpah at times) but has never adapted to the premise of Story Feedback. He is far more at home in the editors' forum.

People use the SF for many issues but the preeminent reason is to request knowledgeable feedback on their submissions. They want something deeper than Public Comments: they want advice to improve.

Over the years, there have been loads of good writers who have taken the time to read and critique new writers. From Imp and Abstuse to Jenny J, Selena and Danielle K., and including Belagon, Rumple Foreskin et al, and their comments have often given rise to some good threads, useful to new writers.

Lately, only CWatson seems to carry the flag for the overarching reason for this forum. Others have fled under the vituperation that has crept into the forum.

lovecraft would do more to promote his mission to improve the quality of stories on Lit if he lowered himself to advize a newbie. As would sr.

I enjoyed giving my two cents but pathological antipathy from sr - who claims he never reads other people's stories, so how does he know - made me see there is more to life than being pursued by a maniac.

SF needs to be made more welcoming.

I don't advice newbies or anyone else publicly I've sent many pm's to people and respond to any pm sent my way.

I give no real advice in threads because it will turn into me being mocked by the experts and questioned as to who am I to give advice.

there are many writers newer than myself that I have helped. I have no desire to name them and never want them to name me. I don't need an ego stroke unlike some here.

And you can debate my next statement if you wish, but where you are correct that Pilot knows his stuff in the grammar sense, after his initial remark-which is usually on point- unless he is met with nothing short of praise and worship he becomes snippy and obnoxious.

Meaning you are correct he should be kept in the editors section because he has no clue how to give feedback. It would also mean he would have to read someone's story and he will not lower himself to that.

 

[PennLady]

I must beg to differ. sr is a font of knowledge which he is ready to share (with a tad of chutzpah at times) but has never adapted to the premise of Story Feedback. He is far more at home in the editors' forum.

So what? He is not obligated to answer any question or provide any feedback. None of us are. He may, a LC points out, do it privately. Also, these are open forums and anyone can contribute if they want to.

I do what I can to encourage new writers and provide feedback and I edit when I can. Most of it is private, and not on the boards. I don't have a lot of time for it, unfortunately, b/c I enjoy talking with people about their stories.

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I don't advice newbies or anyone else publicly I've sent many pm's to people and respond to any pm sent my way.

I give no real advice in threads because it will turn into me being mocked by the experts and questioned as to who am I to give advice.

there are many writers newer than myself that I have helped. I have no desire to name them and never want them to name me. I don't need an ego stroke unlike some here.

And you can debate my next statement if you wish, but where you are correct that Pilot knows his stuff in the grammar sense, after his initial remark-which is usually on point- unless he is met with nothing short of praise and worship he becomes snippy and obnoxious.

Meaning you are correct he should be kept in the editors section because he has no clue how to give feedback. It would also mean he would have to read someone's story and he will not lower himself to that.

I completely agree but would say that we should get back to giving newbies more help than we do. sr patrols these waters like a pirhana on extasty - to the detriment of the forum and the new writers. He is more damaging than scouries and his circus.

 

[lovecraft68]

I completely agree but would say that we should get back to giving newbies more help than we do. sr patrols these waters like a pirhana on extasty - to the detriment of the forum and the new writers. He is more damaging than scouries and his circus.

Well seeing he and Scoruies are friends I can see how they would behave the same way.

This is a free speech site meaning that pariah's like them will always be here. So the choice is ignore them or give then shit.

I choose to treat Pilot the way he treats others and if that makes me look bad, I really don't care. If the site does not want to take steps to remove the people who drive people away then I may as well piss him off whenever I can.

But the problem goes beyond story feedback. The AH it seems over the last few months has become the junior GB, populated by political discussions and random rants.

The editors forum is also full of feuding and fighting and Pilot is the common denominator in every forum.

So pretty soon he will just be arguing with us or talking to himself, because there won't be anyone left.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

So what? He is not obligated to answer any question or provide any feedback. None of us are. He may, a LC points out, do it privately. Also, these are open forums and anyone can contribute if they want to.

I do what I can to encourage new writers and provide feedback and I edit when I can. Most of it is private, and not on the boards. I don't have a lot of time for it, unfortunately, b/c I enjoy talking with people about their stories.

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.

Agreed, but the whole point of SF is to give public critiques in response to public requests.

Your advice would be welcomed by more than one author and we aren't simply talking editing.

SF is suffocating between flat-track bullies like sr and really supportive people like you and lc who take their advice offline.

We need the forum. Please support it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Agreed, but the whole point of SF is to give public critiques in response to public requests.

Your advice would be welcomed by more than one author and we aren't simply talking editing.

SF is suffocating between flat-track bullies like sr and really supportive people like you and lc who take their advice offline.

We need the forum. Please support it.

Part of the reason I also don't publicly support this forum is time. When I post it's taking a quick break from my own writing or listing my e-bay auctions. It's a great little 2 minute break to toss out a post.

But, as Pennlady says time is an issue. I don;t really have the time to read a couple of page story then come up with a decently detailed response to someone.

IN pm's I've had people e-mail me their story and I tell them to give me a couple of days and I'll get back to them.

There are also genre's I don;t like so I won;t read the work, because I would not be objective and that would be unfair.

Something else I would like to point out here is that I think its sad a lot of people come here looking for feedback, because part of the reason is the lazy readers give very few comments to the stories they are enjoying for free and most of the ones who do are asinine trolls.

Which brings the writers here to try to get a feel for how their work is doing.

Many of Lits readers are the epitome of the something for nothing generation. They will read story after story for the bubble, but god forbid take the time to drop a comment that would take thirty seconds and make the authors day.

Its too bad.

 

[sr71plt]

What a lot of bullshit. there's absolutely no requirement to post critiques to anyone's request on this forum--and almost no regular writers here do so. And I respond to more newbie questions than Elfin and Lovecraft put together. They are just doing their usual whiny backbiting.

 

[_Lynn_]

I must beg to differ. sr is a font of knowledge which he is ready to share (with a tad of chutzpah at times) but has never adapted to the premise of Story Feedback. He is far more at home in the editors' forum.

People use the SF for many issues but the preeminent reason is to request knowledgeable feedback on their submissions. They want something deeper than Public Comments: they want advice to improve.

Over the years, there have been loads of good writers who have taken the time to read and critique new writers. From Imp and Abstuse to Jenny J, Selena and Danielle K., and including Belagon, Rumple Foreskin et al, and their comments have often given rise to some good threads, useful to new writers.

Lately, only CWatson seems to carry the flag for the overarching reason for this forum. Others have fled under the vituperation that has crept into the forum.

lovecraft would do more to promote his mission to improve the quality of stories on Lit if he lowered himself to advize a newbie. As would sr.

I enjoyed giving my two cents but pathological antipathy from sr - who claims he never reads other people's stories, so how does he know - made me see there is more to life than being pursued by a maniac.

SF needs to be made more welcoming.

You're entitled to your opinion even though I don't agree.

 

[_Lynn_]

Well seeing he and Scoruies are friends I can see how they would behave the same way.

This is a free speech site meaning that pariah's like them will always be here. So the choice is ignore them or give then shit.

I choose to treat Pilot the way he treats others and if that makes me look bad, I really don't care. If the site does not want to take steps to remove the people who drive people away then I may as well piss him off whenever I can.

But the problem goes beyond story feedback. The AH it seems over the last few months has become the junior GB, populated by political discussions and random rants.

The editors forum is also full of feuding and fighting and Pilot is the common denominator in every forum.

So pretty soon he will just be arguing with us or talking to himself, because there won't be anyone left.

The AH has had political discussions and random rants as long as I've been here, not just the last few months. So what? You could ignore those threads instead of feeding them more crap all the time.

As for the EF, if you don't like the threads there, don't post to them.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

What a lot of bullshit. there's absolutely no requirement to post critiques to anyone's request on this forum--and almost no regular writers here do so. And I respond to more newbie questions than Elfin and Lovecraft put together. They are just doing their usual whiny backbiting.

You make my point precisely!

Until you and scouries raised your ugly heads and started a campaign to abuse anyone who commented publicly on the forum, many people (for good or bad) gave their views. No-one has ever complained of your pretend expertise in the site's workings - you are just too vain to lower yourself to a public comment that might be challenged. Shame on you.

Of course there is no requirement to post critiques - short or long - but simple politeness would suggest that if you are not prepared to participate you have no entitlement to bare your teeth and disparage well-meaning advice that you are too arrogant to participate in.

You frolic about here with half-baked rubbish about site guidelines you are not privy to and pretend you have the faintest idea about elementary erotic fiction. We are not talking CMS here.

You answer trivia, whilst falsely pretending you have insight, then abuse people who have done the courtesty of giving a public response. You are a shameless, over-inflated egotist who spends too much of his time plotting revenge attacks against people who call you out rather than actually giving guidance. As an inferiority complex - it is classic.

Give us a chance to assess your critique of a new story posted on the forum - if you dare.

 

[sr71plt]

I've given about as many detailed critiques on this forum as you have--and more accurate too. Have a ball going back and assessing those, as you like and are able (which isn't much).

Interesting that you comment on my advice on writing and posting erotica to Literotica, as you haven't done either in 6 years.

While you're digging, go back and pull up some of your friend, J. Jackson's, critiques here and run them beside mine for a nastiness check.

You're just full of crap, Elfin.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I must beg to differ. sr is a font of knowledge which he is ready to share (with a tad of chutzpah at times) but has never adapted to the premise of Story Feedback. He is far more at home in the editors' forum.

People use the SF for many issues but the preeminent reason is to request knowledgeable feedback on their submissions. They want something deeper than Public Comments: they want advice to improve.

Over the years, there have been loads of good writers who have taken the time to read and critique new writers. From Imp and Abstuse to Jenny J, Selena and Danielle K., and including Belagon, Rumple Foreskin et al, and their comments have often given rise to some good threads, useful to new writers.

Lately, only CWatson seems to carry the flag for the overarching reason for this forum. Others have fled under the vituperation that has crept into the forum.

lovecraft would do more to promote his mission to improve the quality of stories on Lit if he lowered himself to advize a newbie. As would sr.

I enjoyed giving my two cents but pathological antipathy from sr - who claims he never reads other people's stories, so how does he know - made me see there is more to life than being pursued by a maniac.

SF needs to be made more welcoming.

etsaki has always been happy to help. She edited my weird straight stories Thanks!

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I've given about as many detailed critiques on this forum as you have--and more accurate too. Have a ball going back and assessing those, as you like and are able (which isn't much).

Interesting that you comment on my advice on writing and posting erotica to Literotica, as you haven't done either in 6 years.

While you're digging, go back and pull up some of your friend, J. Jackson's, critiques here and run them beside mine for a nastiness check.

You're just full of crap, Elfin.

I admit, the overweening, opressive effect of scouries is the primary factor why this is no longer 'stories feedback' but the zeitgeist that has developed over the last few years has killed the camaraderie of yesteryear.

Why the site allows him to infect the SF is beyond me.

Jenny was a feisty and funny writer who took her style and expertise into comments on this site. Unlike you, sr, she read many stories and gave good, unvarnished advice on first steps into erotic fiction. SF was about newbies then, not the emotion of writing in a person that few can handle. And it was all done amicably, unlike the poisonous atmosphere today.

You could lower your arrogance levels and use your expertise to advize, but your ego won't let you.

Quite right, I haven't posted a story here for years, despite posting elsewhere and having around 30 stories in my file. The macho agression that you, scouries, BFW (+alts), even lovecraft and jamal, have shown towards contests makes them unattractive.

A site that retains the poison of LW, for commercial reasons, without providing a sub-division for marital erotic issues baffles me.

Your critiques (I need a past tense here) usually began with, " I haven't read your story but . . ." The comment that your critiques were 'usually more accurate' is an overblown proof of your arrogance - irrespective of whether you are referring to me, Jenny J. or any other modest contributor to this forum.

You are an editor par excellence and a self-proclaimed seeker after a new literary genre in erotica. Unfortunately, that doesn't gel with the aims or questions of many new writers here. When you finally accept that first person erotica is damn difficult, though emotionally intense, and best avoided until you have mastered creative writing, perhaps you can contribute more than, "entries for contests are posted quicker than others".

Technical excellence is brilliant, an overarching arrogance is unacceptable

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I've given about as many detailed critiques on this forum as you have--and more accurate too. Have a ball going back and assessing those, as you like and are able (which isn't much).

Interesting that you comment on my advice on writing and posting erotica to Literotica, as you haven't done either in 6 years.

While you're digging, go back and pull up some of your friend, J. Jackson's, critiques here and run them beside mine for a nastiness check.

You're just full of crap, Elfin.

I admit, the overweening, opressive effect of scouries is the primary factor why this is no longer 'stories feedback' but the zeitgeist that has developed over the last few years has killed the camaraderie of yesteryear.

Why the site allows him to infect the SF is beyond me.

Jenny was a feisty and funny writer who took her style and expertise into comments on this site. Unlike you, sr, she read many stories and gave good, unvarnished advice on first steps into erotic fiction. SF was about newbies then, not the emotion of writing in a person that few can handle. And it was all done amicably, unlike the poisonous atmosphere today.

You could lower your arrogance levels and use your expertise to advize, but your ego won't let you.

Quite right, I haven't posted a story here for years, despite posting elsewhere and having around 30 stories in my file. The macho agression that you, scouries, BFW (+alts), even lovecraft and jamal, have shown towards contests makes them unattractive.

A site that retains the poison of LW, for commercial reasons, without providing a sub-division for marital erotic issues baffles me.

Your critiques (I need a past tense here) usually began with, " I haven't read your story but . . ." The comment that your critiques were 'usually more accurate' is an overblown proof of your arrogance - irrespective of whether you are referring to me, Jenny J. or any other modest contributor to this forum.

You are an editor par excellence and a self-proclaimed seeker after a new literary genre in erotica. Unfortunately, that doesn't gel with the aims or questions of many new writers here. When you finally accept that first person erotica is damn difficult, though emotionally intense, and best avoided until you have mastered creative writing, perhaps you can contribute more than, "entries for contests are posted quicker than others".

Technical excellence is brilliant, an overarching arrogance is unacceptable

 

[sr71plt]

Past tense? I beg to differ. I've posted a critique here since you have. Now you'll have to post two, because after you've only posted one, I can say I've posted as many recently as you have.

You need to get your act together on your story posting. Here you recently said you were too busy being a mother to write stories and over on the editor forum you claimed you were posting stories under alts. You need to work at being a better liar.

You are such a silly goose personal troll. And a parasitic drone here to boot.