Relatively New Dom, some basic issues.

[sailorpaul]

You are seeing radically different prices than I am, wow. The first one you mentioned is $63, and the second is $60

I pulled pn/prices from my spreadsheet of what is on the boat, so from about two years ago. Forged stainless is expensive stuff.

You can also try www.apsltd.com I just pulled this info real-time for current prices

Spool shackles $27 & up
http://www.apsltd.com/c-785-spoolshacklesspectraloops.aspx

Ronstan stainless cast (individually x-rayed to eliminate casting flaws) $mid -30s up
http://www.apsltd.com/c-724-snaptriggerj-lockhi-techshackles.aspx
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Ball bearing swivels for heavily loaded applications. Now THERE'S a ceiling or hoisting solution. Combine a multiple purchase block and tackle to lift your sub. Match that with a boom brake or ratcheting block and you will never drop your sub on their head -- no matter how much they weigh.
http://www.apsltd.com/c-770-swivelshackles-plainandballbearing.aspx

 

[SimonBrooke]

I'm with you. Honestly. There is a learning curve, and it can be daunting. I just dislike those sort of statements.

Seriously, plain old belts are great. Take an old one and punch some extraneous holes up closer to the buckle end, and you can use it to handle a pair of wrists. I'd much rather have belts than single purpose cuffs for that reason. I am a big fan of non-rope bondage. I am very much not of the opinion that rope is that only way to go, and I don't tend to use it when I want expediency myself.

So I'm not disagreeing with the overall substance. Just taking exceptions with some of the language. No hard feelings, SB.

No hard feelings at all. I actually do use rope quite a lot and have learned considerably from your threads on the subject - your expertise and your willingness to pass it on are appreciated. And I DO like the pretty patterns one can make with rope. But they take time and (in my experience) a relatively co-operative (or at least compliant) victim. Many pyls like their PYL to be confident and in control and above all, fast and effective; and straps, belts and cuffs are much easier in the heat of the moment.

Also, four cuffs, a collar and three double ended clips (which is a reasonable kit to start playing with) don't really occupy that much space.

 

[Homburg]

No hard feelings at all. I actually do use rope quite a lot and have learned considerably from your threads on the subject - your expertise and your willingness to pass it on are appreciated. And I DO like the pretty patterns one can make with rope. But they take time and (in my experience) a relatively co-operative (or at least compliant) victim. Many pyls like their PYL to be confident and in control and above all, fast and effective; and straps, belts and cuffs are much easier in the heat of the moment.

Also, four cuffs, a collar and three double ended clips (which is a reasonable kit to start playing with) don't really occupy that much space.

Very true. It has taken time and practice to get to where I am quick enough, and confident in my movements.

More on topic, there was a move recently to flat-braid rope that I found interesting. It's the usual rope, but done in flat braids like webbing. My first thought was that anything done with flat braid could be done easily with (cheaper) webbing. Turned out I was right. This is why I started using the gi belt. It is essentially the same topography, and acts the same, so it is something I find handy. And, moreover, I can leave it hanging around int he garage and no one wonders what the heck I'm up to.

 

[Netzach]

I can't tie knots for shit. I'm a lifelong horse person, but I still won't tie the horses up myself, as they invariably get loose. In spite of my tying stupidity, I do fairly well when Topping.

The last time I tied my Master up (complicated relationship, don't ask, LOL), he got tired of me looking between his arm and the coil of rope in my hand with a really confused expression on my face and took pity on me and told me how to secure him. Hey, it worked, and we went on to have tons of fun, even with my minor tying gaffe. I don't think someone who's really into you is going to hold your lack of prowess with rope against you.

My dear wonderful Top isn't interested remotely in tying me up, but likes how I look tied up all pretty.

So you can guess who does the work.

 

[BiBunny]

My dear wonderful Top isn't interested remotely in tying me up, but likes how I look tied up all pretty.

So you can guess who does the work.

I'm so gonna do that next time. Well, actually, last time, he tied up his cock and balls for me. So we will take that farther next time.

 

[Etoile]

I have several rolls of vetwrap but not a clue what to do with it. *sigh*

My one experience with bondage tape was for a photo shoot and yes indeed it was sweaty and hot. I prefer vetwrap.

As for knot tying, unless you're really into ropes, who cares? Carabiners are awesome.

 

[BeginnerDom]

I have several rolls of vetwrap but not a clue what to do with it. *sigh*

My one experience with bondage tape was for a photo shoot and yes indeed it was sweaty and hot. I prefer vetwrap.

As for knot tying, unless you're really into ropes, who cares? Carabiners are awesome.

She is into rope work thus I am looking for a viable alternative which matches my abilities.

Many of these suggestions are productive and I thank you all for them, even though they don't always satisfy the need for discretion and portability lol. I really don't need questions from TSA.

I can definitely see they benefits of carabiners though.

 

[intothewoods]

I have several rolls of vetwrap but not a clue what to do with it. *sigh*

My one experience with bondage tape was for a photo shoot and yes indeed it was sweaty and hot. I prefer vetwrap.

As for knot tying, unless you're really into ropes, who cares? Carabiners are awesome.

Ahem. I am local. *bats lashes*

What, not working for ya? I've been wanting to pick up some of that. I went to a bondage class taught by a friend of mine last year and he used that stuff, the tape, and all sorts of nutty things. I was sooooo lusting after the vetwrap.

 

[YourCaptor]

Zip Ties

You can use them as cuffs like the cops. You can tie chains together, tie cuffs to collar, etc. You can use them as loops on her belt, cuffs, etc, then bring rope through those loops and tie any knot you know.

Just don't over tighten the zip ties to prevent blood pooling, and clip of the ends so they wont accidentally get tighter. They are also thin, so make sure flesh is protected if you get forceful with them. You can wrap the ties or her.

Also, you don't have to go traditional. Restrain whatever way you know how and if she truly cant wiggle out of it tradition will be the last thing on her mind.

 

[SimonBrooke]

Zip Ties

You can use them as cuffs like the cops. You can tie chains together, tie cuffs to collar, etc. You can use them as loops on her belt, cuffs, etc, then bring rope through those loops and tie any knot you know.

Just don't over tighten the zip ties to prevent blood pooling, and clip of the ends so they wont accidentally get tighter. They are also thin, so make sure flesh is protected if you get forceful with them. You can wrap the ties or her.

It's worth pointing out that zip-ties are available in quick release versions. The ones I use are sold in the forestry industry for tying the tubes used to shelter seedlings to stakes, but I'm sure they have lots of other uses. Just like a standard zip-tie, but with a little thumbnail latch that releases the ratchet tooth. In my opinion these are a lot safer for bondage, because in emergency you don't have to cut them, you can just release them.

You can also re-use them, which as a good Scotsman I consider a benefit

 

[Corylea]

I'm that rare bird, an extremely kinky person who finds bondage boring as a top and not doable as a bottom. One of my bottoms is a big bondage enthusiast, to the point of doing very dangerous self-bondage. (Freeze the key to your cuffs in an ice cube and you can't get loose until it melts. Yes, dear, you're very clever, that's very creative, now what happens if the house catches on fire? (And no, don't tell me that fire will melt the ice; you can die of smoke inhalation long before it ever gets hot.))

So I have him tie himself up. If I watch him do it, arbitrarily make him re-do part of it because I don't like the way it came out, or tell him that he'd better make sure he's really well fastened or X, Y, and Z will happen, I don't have to touch a single rope, myself.

So, cuffs are easy and a good choice, but if your bottom wants elaborate rope bondage someday, make her put herself into elaborate rope bondage, while you snarl sexy threats about what will happen if she doesn't do a good job. The great thing about being a dom is that you have not only your own skills at your disposal, but also your sub's.

 

[JMohegan]

I know the knots are not difficult, that's part of why it is so frustrating to me. My mind.. slips? Can't get a hold of the concept for some reason and loses purchase.. I'm sorry it's just really hard to describe but if it is easy and only looks complicated to most people it might as well be Sanskrit to me. I can't tell you even how I tie my own shoes, literally.

This is my situation with regard to figurative language. My brain just doesn't work like most other people's.

Welcome to the board, BD.

She is into rope work thus I am looking for a viable alternative which matches my abilities.

In the flavor of D/s that I appreciate, the s defers to the preferences of the D. Since I am bored by elaborate bondage, a woman who craves rope work would be a poor match for me.

I like WD's suggestions, and some of the other simple restraint ideas on the thread. Physically immobilizing a partner is, of course, exceedingly hot.

As you may have already discovered, immobilization for which *she* is responsible can also be extremely gratifying, from a challenge and control perspective. Put her body in whatever position suits you... then give the command, "Don't move." Depending on how sadistic you're feeling, you can make it harder or easier to hold the position, add consequences if she slips up, add props (glasses of water to hold with penalties for spilling), and so on.

 

[BeginnerDom]

This is my situation with regard to figurative language. My brain just doesn't work like most other people's.

Welcome to the board, BD.

In the flavor of D/s that I appreciate, the s defers to the preferences of the D. Since I am bored by elaborate bondage, a woman who craves rope work would be a poor match for me.

I like WD's suggestions, and some of the other simple restraint ideas on the thread. Physically immobilizing a partner is, of course, exceedingly hot.

As you may have already discovered, immobilization for which *she* is responsible can also be extremely gratifying, from a challenge and control perspective. Put her body in whatever position suits you... then give the command, "Don't move." Depending on how sadistic you're feeling, you can make it harder or easier to hold the position, add consequences if she slips up, add props (glasses of water to hold with penalties for spilling), and so on.

Thanks for the welcome, I'm surprised at the generally welcoming response I've gotten here actually.

Zip-ties did it for me, love the idea and they can easily be combined with what I have and other tactics.

As for self-immobilization (or whatever the proper term maybe) one of the activities I've planned already is to use her as furniture in some manner during a conf call I have to take while with her. I've not decided if it will be as a footstool or perhaps a table for my laptop yet though..

 

[ecstaticsub]

I've never used vet wrap or had it used on me but I have been wrapped in saran wrap. It's easy to find, available in everyone's kitchen It didn't take much to wrap me, less than a roll though I don't know what size roll he used. I was wrapped tight enough from head to ankles wear I couldn't move. He wrapped my head separately. I LOVED it. Just make sure you have safty scissors and keep her hydrated.

 

[Keroin]

Thanks for the welcome, I'm surprised at the generally welcoming response I've gotten here actually.

Zip-ties did it for me, love the idea and they can easily be combined with what I have and other tactics.

As for self-immobilization (or whatever the proper term maybe) one of the activities I've planned already is to use her as furniture in some manner during a conf call I have to take while with her. I've not decided if it will be as a footstool or perhaps a table for my laptop yet though..

Just don't forget that laptops get really hot. (Written by someone who does a lot of writing with her laptop on her lap). Not good for your computer nor, possibly, for your partner's skin, for long periods of time.

But, I have to add, I love, (see: HATE), self immobilization.

And my Chuck is also very dyslexic. I love how it informs his perspective on everything.

 

[BeginnerDom]

Just don't forget that laptops get really hot. (Written by someone who does a lot of writing with her laptop on her lap). Not good for your computer nor, possibly, for your partner's skin, for long periods of time.

But, I have to add, I love, (see: HATE), self immobilization.

And my Chuck is also very dyslexic. I love how it informs his perspective on everything.

ugh I'm an idiot. thanks for reminding me about the heat Keroin. I could still use her for my note taking etc.

 

[intothewoods]

This is my situation with regard to figurative language. My brain just doesn't work like most other people's.

Welcome to the board, BD.

In the flavor of D/s that I appreciate, the s defers to the preferences of the D. Since I am bored by elaborate bondage, a woman who craves rope work would be a poor match for me.

I like WD's suggestions, and some of the other simple restraint ideas on the thread. Physically immobilizing a partner is, of course, exceedingly hot.

As you may have already discovered, immobilization for which *she* is responsible can also be extremely gratifying, from a challenge and control perspective. Put her body in whatever position suits you... then give the command, "Don't move." Depending on how sadistic you're feeling, you can make it harder or easier to hold the position, add consequences if she slips up, add props (glasses of water to hold with penalties for spilling), and so on.

Ooh, I played with a guy who put a quarter on my back and instructed me to keep it there. It was cool!

 

[Sayyid]

I'm that rare bird, an extremely kinky person who finds bondage boring as a top and not doable as a bottom.

For what it's worth, I'm not really all that into it either. Maybe some cuffs or rope, but nothing fancy.

So, cuffs are easy and a good choice, but if your bottom wants elaborate rope bondage someday, make her put herself into elaborate rope bondage, while you snarl sexy threats about what will happen if she doesn't do a good job. The great thing about being a dom is that you have not only your own skills at your disposal, but also your sub's.

I like this idea a lot.

Then s/he gets bondage, and you get to top. Everybody's happy.

 

[Etoile]

Ahem. I am local. *bats lashes*

What, not working for ya? I've been wanting to pick up some of that. I went to a bondage class taught by a friend of mine last year and he used that stuff, the tape, and all sorts of nutty things. I was sooooo lusting after the vetwrap.

That you are...I shall have to dig it up...

 

[greeneyed_Lady]

Thanks for the welcome, I'm surprised at the generally welcoming response I've gotten here actually.

Zip-ties did it for me, love the idea and they can easily be combined with what I have and other tactics.

As for self-immobilization (or whatever the proper term maybe) one of the activities I've planned already is to use her as furniture in some manner during a conf call I have to take while with her. I've not decided if it will be as a footstool or perhaps a table for my laptop yet though..

Just don't forget that laptops get really hot. (Written by someone who does a lot of writing with her laptop on her lap). Not good for your computer nor, possibly, for your partner's skin, for long periods of time.

But, I have to add, I love, (see: HATE), self immobilization.

And my Chuck is also very dyslexic. I love how it informs his perspective on everything.

ugh I'm an idiot. thanks for reminding me about the heat Keroin. I could still use her for my note taking etc.

Solution is to go and buy an inexpensive lap desk and put that on her first before the laptop.

Other than the fact you've stated she enjoys the rope bondage, there isn't a requirement to do it unless YOU want to. It's not a requirement of of BDSM.

I'm a big fan of verbal bondage myself. Takes lots more skill and work to accomplish it as compared to being bound in ropes.

 

[curiousirish]

Was gonna suggest bondage tape but I see it's been done, it seems a good and easily transported/hidden option though ....good luck

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Ooh, I played with a guy who put a quarter on my back and instructed me to keep it there. It was cool!

That works well in a punishment type scenario as well. pyl kneels in corner, nose pressed to wall. PYL slips a coin between nose and wall. pyl must keep it there, or suffer even further consequences. Drives a chronic fidgeter a little mental, or forces them to focus and calm down.

 

[Homburg]

I pulled pn/prices from my spreadsheet of what is on the boat, so from about two years ago. Forged stainless is expensive stuff.

You can also try www.apsltd.com I just pulled this info real-time for current prices

Spool shackles $27 & up
http://www.apsltd.com/c-785-spoolshacklesspectraloops.aspx

Ronstan stainless cast (individually x-rayed to eliminate casting flaws) $mid -30s up
http://www.apsltd.com/c-724-snaptriggerj-lockhi-techshackles.aspx
-----
Ball bearing swivels for heavily loaded applications. Now THERE'S a ceiling or hoisting solution. Combine a multiple purchase block and tackle to lift your sub. Match that with a boom brake or ratcheting block and you will never drop your sub on their head -- no matter how much they weigh.
http://www.apsltd.com/c-770-swivelshackles-plainandballbearing.aspx

SP, you're awesome. Thanks!

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I'm a big fan of verbal bondage myself. Takes lots more skill and work to accomplish it as compared to being bound in ropes.

It takes more skill and work to tell someone to hold still?

 

[Netzach]

SP, you're awesome. Thanks!

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It takes more skill and work to tell someone to hold still?

And you risk permanent nerve damage every time if you don't pay attention to your body and know how to defend your own body?

I'd say that mental/verbal/order bondage is hard, yes. But it's not like rope bondage is reduced to just lying there.