Religion and sexuality

[gauchecritic]

Pheww,

momma's back just in time, a little treacly venom can do wonders.

I'm sure 'not equipped' to handle that. Or a new facial AV.

Fortunately, being on iggy I can say this with vehemence and without fear of contraception: You twat. (and all that that implies)

Gauche

 

[shereads]

"I came here for an argument."

"Oh, sorry. This is Abuse."

 

[sensualpilgrim]

Books

Has anyone peruse "Sacred Fire: The Story of Sex in Religion" by B.Z. Goldberg? It's old (recently reprinted) and very interesting!

 

[Pure]

One point that's gotten lost in this thread, where so many show a zeal to enlighten Christianity, is the positive effects of the sin and guilt teachings on erotic possibilities. There is such erotic potential in enforced chastity-- and its violation!

Think of the loss to the enlightened hindus, shintoist, and taoists, of all the literature on seduction of nuns!

Adultery too, has had enormous potential and productivity in the erotic realm, and Christian taboos there deserve a lot of credit. In society of polygamy, mistresses and concubines, how much is lost!

The especial Christian focus on whores and whoredom has produced some of the hottest stories around! Where would our Loving Wives category be without the double taboo on adultery and prostituting a wife!

I'd say we owe the sterner Christians, Catholics, and Calvinists a debt of gratitude, including for such classics of world literature as Scarlet Letter, Madame Bovary, and Anna Karenina; not to speak of wonderful porn classics like Story of O.

Moral rigor is far better strengthened that 'enlightened.'

J.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

True, the whole idea of going against the rules, of being naughty, is one of the reasons why Literotica is so popular.

Sweden is very secularised. Very few people believe in any form of religion, and we talk about sex openly in newspapers, magazines, TV-shows, films, etc, etc.


Why do you think there are so many Swedes at Lit?


There just isn't any similar sex-sites in Sweden! Everyone but me, Ice, Lin, and 69 are busy watching sex-shows or fucking!

 

[Guest]

Everyone but me, Ice, Lin, and 69 are busy watching sex-shows or fucking!

Flicka, do you think I would stand-out (exotically, erotically) in Sweden? I must rethink Venice as my paradise on earth.

Perdita

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Only by language.

 

[Pure]

Sin, hot sex, and porn

It would indeed be sad if Sweden came to lack the tortured Lutherans that turn up in Bergman movies. Let's hope for a Lutheran revival.

Added: There's one bright light: About 30% of Americans say they're evangelical or 'born again'.

The story possibilities for religious repression, sin, and hot sex are largely unexploited at Lit. I can find less than a hundred hot stories of Christians, esp. men of the cloth and nuns. Only a few, well-written, with much oomph or arousal value. Here are the results for any interested readers:

CHRISTIAN
Good:

Jesus Saves, by deborah
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=9154

Fall from Grace, by anais dahl

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=59272


Secret Confession, by Ms. Viscious
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=4231

Elise and the Priest, by sweetsubsarah
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=78916

Bride of Christ by quietgirl33
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=105140

Broken Vows, by steamychik
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=9560

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Passable:

Backsliding: Tim's story, by estories69
http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=76490

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Disappointment:

Christian Loving ch 1 by flawed_ethics
http://www.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=94222

 

[raphy]

Pheww,

momma's back just in time, a little treacly venom can do wonders.

I'm sure 'not equipped' to handle that. Or a new facial AV.

I'm not convinced you're equipped to handle much outside of a schoolyard.

 

[Gary Chambers]

One point that's gotten lost in this thread, where so many show a zeal to enlighten Christianity, is the positive effects of the sin and guilt teachings on erotic possibilities. There is such erotic potential in enforced chastity-- and its violation...

...Moral rigor is far better strengthened that 'enlightened.'

J.

Very droll.

 

[Odeee]

Religion and Sexuality -- Sexism

I am greatly interested in the forum members' views on the various constructs put on the feminine [the female as category] by various "revealed" religions, paricularly Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

Food for thought:

As far as the female body as a political field is concerned, every new attempt to manipulate, utilize or set up new programs for this body, more in conformity with the economic and ideological requirements of societies, is expressed through a new reading of the "orthodox discourse" as the source and guarantee of legitimacy. It is this that makes this discourse so interesting for us as the focus of interpretative strategies that one confronts every day in scoieties denominated by relgion.

 

[Gary Chambers]

Flicka, do you think I would stand-out (exotically, erotically) in Sweden? I must rethink Venice as my paradise on earth.

Perdita

You will stand out no matter where you travel, Perdita. This is a good thing, not bad.

I am greatly interested in the forum members' views on the various constructs put on the feminine [the female as category] by various "revealed" religions, paricularly Islam, Christianity and Judaism.

Food for thought:

As far as the female body as a political field is concerned, every new attempt to manipulate, utilize or set up new programs for this body, more in conformity with the economic and ideological requirements of societies, is expressed through a new reading of the "orthodox discourse" as the source and guarantee of legitimacy. It is this that makes this discourse so interesting for us as the focus of interpretative strategies that one confronts every day in scoieties denominated by relgion.

¿que?

 

[Odeee]

Well, the woman, as a category has been given various constructs over time, hasn't she??/

 

[dr_mabeuse]

One point that's gotten lost in this thread, where so many show a zeal to enlighten Christianity, is the positive effects of the sin and guilt teachings on erotic possibilities. There is such erotic potential in enforced chastity-- and its violation!

There's something to be said for this. I've never been one to rail and sweat to enlighten the masses, because I enjoy being an underground deviant. It gives you a certain anti-respectability and pride and helps keep your wits sharp to be an outsider.

I worry that with so many groups coming out of their closets and bidding for respectability, much of their color and sense of the exotic will be lost. Will anyone want to watch "Normal Eye for The Similarly-Normal Guy"?

---dr.M.

 

[Gary Chambers]

There's something to be said for this. I've never been one to rail and sweat to enlighten the masses, because I enjoy being an underground deviant. It gives you a certain anti-respectability and pride and helps keep your wits sharp to be an outsider.

I worry that with so many groups coming out of their closets and bidding for respectability, much of their color and sense of the exotic will be lost. Will anyone want to watch "Normal Eye for The Similarly-Normal Guy"?

---dr.M.

My latetst answer is to write smut that celebrates aesthetics. Celebrating aesthetics fits our genre perfectly because sex is perhaps the most aesthetic feature of life. I've always felt we get the government and society we deserve, and recently I concluded that the best weapon the forces of tyranny have is people's low expectations. It's easy to justify the hegemony of the merchant capitalist classes, if the plebeians keep believing they have all they need, want or deserve. As long as people aren't demanding their night at the opera, its easy to fob them off with cheap cake and circuses. So I've decided to start writing stories that encourage people to want more of everything, and the erotica genre makes it easy to link it all to people's libidos, a very strong motivator. My next story, now in final rewrite stage, will be my first of this kind. It involves a charismatic architect who builds an entire city designed to facilitate hedonism. It's actually based on my favourite architect, Paolo Soleri, of Arcosanti, Arizona, although I doubt whether Soleri is as lust driven as the hero of my story.

Anyway Doc, I bring it up here because I understand your concern and I know how difficult it is to introduce an activistic or seditious theme into erotica, without losing that cherished label of 100% pure filth. Making stories glorify a more aesthetic and hedonistic lifestyle is about the only way I can see to offer enlightenment along with the stroke. My last story tried the more politicised approach of casting Marxist freedom fighters as heroes and heroines of hedonism. It went into a reader approval tailspin soon after it was uploaded. I try not to look at its ratings anymore. The numbers are too depressing. But I have a feeling the next one will do much better.

 

[shereads]

I enjoy being an underground deviant. It gives you a certain anti-respectability and pride and helps keep your wits sharp to be an outsider.

I've tried to make this same point, re: rebellious adolescents, with a man at work who prides himself on keeping up with current music and pop culture so he can be pals with his eleven-year-old daughter.

By age 13, won't this poor girl be challenged to find music and clothes and new things to pierce that are disgusting enough to make her parents recoil?

It was easy for my generation to kids to rebel against our parents. Boys could just grow the hair an extra inch over the eyes and girls could wear their skirts a little bit shorter. These days, if a teenager wants to shock a parent, they have to have their tongues stretched, surgically split, and stapled to to their ear lobes. Back off, moms and dads.

 

[Pure]

The idea that it's more difficult to rebel has something to it, obviously. Things are more open, now, esp. with the internet. Kinks are discussed on TV; gay marriage is a current topic.
A teen I know is certainly familiar with Springer scenes and weirdness. OTOH, he is realatively inexperienced and has a detached "is this for real?" attitude towards kink.


That said, you appear to assume that parents are becoming progressively and steadily more and more liberal, as the decades pass. I've lived long enough to see some 20s and 30s parents, and they are scarcely liberal. I'd say there's a pendulum swing.

If that's true, some of the same old things will freak out parents, from walking in on masturbation, to teen pregnancy.

Indeed, straightness (hetero) is quite obligatory in some circles, so that 'coming out' is not necessarily getting easier and easier. Again may there are spells of 'easier', like in the 70s, but my impression is that there is a likewise a pendulum swing. A Catholic high school in this city cancelled a prom where a gay couple planned to attend (another had been surprised and unable to stop such attendance).

Here's another 'same old.' Let teenage daughter in 12th grade admit to sleeping with 10 guys or even 5, and there's definitely going to be some adverse, illiberal comments from friends and family, in the suburban middle class.