rubio's a bought and paid for nra promoter

[Rotadom]

Wherever you see oppression throughout history, ask yourself "what if these people had a bunch of guns?".

Cool hypothetical. Now, do, "what if no one had guns?"

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Cool hypothetical. Now, do, "what if no one had guns?"

There will never be a world without guns so even as a hypothetical its pointless.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[pecksniff]

Hate to break it to you, but I’m not Wayne LaPierre.

As George Carlin pointed out, what kind of name is that for an NRA president? [camp-gay voice] "Hi, my name is Wayne, I'm a gun person! Bang bang!"

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

well regulated

that means controlled. it means licensed, trained, checks,

Jesus Christ, just when I think she can't be more ignorant she pulls words out of context, twist their meaning to suit her narrative and goes on an ascription spree.

 

[Escierto]

The NRA protects every American’s right to kill as many other Americans as he or she can. You, too, can massacre your church or school. Kill those motherfuckers!

 

[pecksniff]

well regulated

that means controlled.

In 18th-Century parlance, it means "well armed."

 

[pecksniff]

There's absolutely a good reason! We became independent because we had the arms to fight off the British.

No country is free because its populace is armed. Not even Switzerland.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

The NRA protects every American’s right to kill as many other Americans as he or she can. You, too, can massacre your church or school. Kill those motherfuckers!

When did Americans get that right?

Murder is illegal federally and in all 50 states.

 

[butters]

In 18th-Century parlance, it means "well armed."

post 17... addresses the well-armed (yes) but also 'well-trained' aspects

 

[butters]

...wrong thread. more coffee. oops

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

post 17

Doesn't change your clearly not understanding that in post #6....

Peck is correct, you are wrong.

 

[dmonty]

The Preamble ordains and establishes the Constitution to promote the general welfare and insure domestic tranquility. The current interpretation of the Second Amendment does neither of those.

And yet you leave out the preamble of the Bill of Rights, which specifically addressed that this was a restrictions on the government, not the people, as this was undertaken after the US Constitution was written and ratified, and those same founding fathers, realized that they didn't "restrict" the government powers enough, they added the Bill of Rights to further restrict the government and give the people more protections of their freedoms. And then add in the Declaration of Independence that identifies self-defense as an inalienable right.

The preamble to the Declaration of Independence contains the entire theory of American government in a single, inspiring passage:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

Embodied in the 2nd Amendment is the truth that self-governing individuals should bear the responsibility for defending themselves.

PREAMBLE TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS​

Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights
There are some clear similarities among the three documents. All have preambles. All were drafted by people of similar backgrounds, generally educated men of property. Thomas Jefferson was the principal drafter of the Declaration and James Madison of the Bill of Rights; Madison, along with Gouverneur Morris and James Wilson, was also one of the principal architects of the Constitution.

The Declaration and Bill of Rights set limitations on government; the Constitution was designed both to create an energetic government and also to constrain it.

 

[dmonty]

You're a moron who lies about the bible to scare other morons into buying more weapons of mass destruction? Yes. Yes, you are.


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The verse you are looking for is

Luke 22:36 – Sell Your Cloak to Buy a Sword​

Jesus says, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.”

Many try to refute this passage of self-defense, with Matthew's 26:52 oft misunderstood is that those the regularly initiate violence, not defend themselves shall perish by the sword. The distinction is an important one, with regards to self-defense, something if you initiate violence or participate in "duels" are not protected by self-defense laws.

Jesus says, “Put your sword back in its place; for all those who habitually draw the sword will die by the sword”

 

[dmonty]

Prove your theory.

Its not a theory, its fact. Also the "militia" is but one reason for the 2nd Amendment and armed citizenry, but not the only reason. English 101 the militia clause is just a prefatory clause, and just one that was listed, its being there or not makes no changes to the 2nd Amendment's meaning that all citizens have an unfettered civil liberty to any and all arms.

Point in case over 80% of the warships of the Continental Navy and the US Navy was private owned into the 1800's, all artillery and canons, hand-grenades, and explosive devices were all privately owned and operated well past the US Civil War, and in the Spanish-American War machine guns were provided not by the government, but by donations from privately purchased/owned firearms or by the officers/soldiers buying the arms themselves - Teddy Roosevelts Rough Riders 2 potato diggers Browning machine guns were donated by 2 women window shopping in NYC's 5th Ave who purchased them without backgrounds, waiting periods, licensing or registering them they walked out the door with the 2 guns in shopping bags and donated them what would be called straw purchase today)

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter.

It referred to the property of something being in good proper working order. Something that was called "well-regulated" was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected.

The establishing of a government oversight of the people's arms was not only NOT the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

Also the discussions during the Continental Congress, where the term “well regulated” is so used in reference to the making the American army "a well regulated army"
Resolved, As the opinion of this Congress that it is essential to the promotion of discipline in the American army and to reformation of the various abuses which prevail in the different departments, that an appointment be made of inspectors general, agreeable to the practice of the best trained European armies:

Resolved, That this appointment be conferred on vigilant and experienced general officers, who are acquainted to whatever relates to the general economy, maneuvers and discipline of a well regulated army.

To review from time to time the troops, and to see that every officer and soldier be instructed in the exercise and maneuvers which may be established by the Board of War: that rules of discipline are strictly observed, and that officers command their soldiers properly, and do them justice.

“well regulated" meant a militia or army that was properly organized, equipped, drilled, disciplined, and ready to fight. The term was used in conjunction with outfitting a militia or army, training an army or militia through drilling and instruction to prepare them for battle, and making sure officers were trained in tactics and maneuvers that would enable them to direct the militia in battle. In this context, "well regulated" had nothing to do with government regulation of the sale and distribution of firearms to individuals.

 

[phrodeau]

And yet you leave out the preamble of the Bill of Rights, which specifically addressed that this was a restrictions on the government, not the people, as this was undertaken after the US Constitution was written and ratified, and those same founding fathers, realized that they didn't "restrict" the government powers enough, they added the Bill of Rights to further restrict the government and give the people more protections of their freedoms. And then add in the Declaration of Independence that identifies self-defense as an inalienable right.

The preamble to the Declaration of Independence contains the entire theory of American government in a single, inspiring passage:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness..."

Embodied in the 2nd Amendment is the truth that self-governing individuals should bear the responsibility for defending themselves.

PREAMBLE TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS​

Congress of the United States
begun and held at the City of New-York, on
Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights
There are some clear similarities among the three documents. All have preambles. All were drafted by people of similar backgrounds, generally educated men of property. Thomas Jefferson was the principal drafter of the Declaration and James Madison of the Bill of Rights; Madison, along with Gouverneur Morris and James Wilson, was also one of the principal architects of the Constitution.

The Declaration and Bill of Rights set limitations on government; the Constitution was designed both to create an energetic government and also to constrain it.

The Preamble of the Bill of Rights is not part of the Constitution. Neither is the original Article One of the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment was Article Three of the Bill of Rights.

 

[dmonty]

The Preamble of the Bill of Rights is not part of the Constitution. Neither is the original Article One of the Bill of Rights. The First Amendment was Article Three of the Bill of Rights.

ah, but the preamble, like the US Constitutions preamble identifies the reason why the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written, not to constrain the people but to constrain the government. the 2nd Amendment exists specifically for one reason to exclude the US Government and all 50 State governments from enacting any infringements, no gun, knife, explosive control laws are constitutional from the clearly worded 2nd Amendment, no exceptions.