safe trampling?

[RavenSpirit2k4]

Definitely edgeplay. We've already had the RACK talk. As I mentioned before, he wrote up a lifetime contract and I added a paragraph about RACK and his safe word. He doesn't care about bruises and was willing to take the risk of injury.

I think the thing with the thich heels is because they're a bit safer than thin, spiky heels. Not by a whole hell of a lot, but a little. And I do have large, rather wide feet, so that spreads it out somewhat.

I'm also going to make this a more vocal, humiliation/degradation thing thing so as to not actually walk on him a great deal. I'm also going to follow Netzach's advice carefully and watch him intenly.

Wish me luck.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Definitely edgeplay. We've already had the RACK talk. As I mentioned before, he wrote up a lifetime contract and I added a paragraph about RACK and his safe word. He doesn't care about bruises and was willing to take the risk of injury.

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Wow there is more to Pro Domming than I realised......I had never heard of a client signing a lifetime contract before. For those of us who are naive about these things, how does it work, where do the responsibilities of dominating begin and end, what if they are having difficulties outside the appointment time, emotional or otherwise....are you required to give that support you would normally as a Domme, and do they pay for that or is it just given, what if they find someone in everyday life who fulfils their needs and they wish to be contracted to? I now have a thousand questions running through my mind as I had never imagined it was possible, and I guess although I realise all agreements in this lifestyle are individual and unique, I can't imagine how it would resemble the lifetime agreement we have or those of others I know...it opens a whole new world to explore and discover!

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

well, I imagine it could be a lot of things.

I personally could easily see it being part of a clients kink and maybe it gives him some feeling of versimilitude or helplessness or being owned. To you it's a prop in something fake but that doesn't make it a crime or something stupid to him.

I've been asked for a lot of things which make little sense if you don't know the parties involved.

Even the money can mean different things. Sometimes it's just an hourly for services rendered, beat me thus, ahh thank you, au revoir.

Sometimes it's a gift in recognition of the time effort and skill that goes into training someone and the fact that I've chosen to make that my life's work. Those are the submissive clients, there are some of those.

Maybe that seems impossible to believe from outside, that someone can submit in a tributing situation genuinely, but not every professional relationship has to be marked by the same psychological boundaries from person to person, and I know that sometimes the service and adoration I recieve are very real and I feel blessed with them.

I could easily compare the service of my client "slaves" to M and nourish a lot of disdain and find the whole thing a farce - I happen to know the difference between someone seeking an particular experience and someone seeking a person as a person and I think RavenSpirit might also....I decided when I decided to become professional that I am not going to resent my clients. If I can't respect or enjoy someone I don't work with him again EVER, it's that simple.

I am going to be a compassionate person, and act with the most open mind and heart I can, unless and until the client brings a shitty attitude to the table...I'm not going to be the first one of us to do that, if I can help it at all. I take a lot of pains not to do that.

So if someone has a long held fantasy of being a totally owned piece of property in a cage, and has no prospect of ever actually being that, I can either tell him how stupid and misguided he is or I can create a meaningful experience for him, you tell me which is the humane response?

 

[catalina_francisco]

well, I imagine it could be a lot of things.

To you it's a prop in something fake but that doesn't make it a crime or something stupid to him.

No, just trying as always to understand something I have not had experience with before. It is how I learn most things...ask questions. It is not meant to be offensive, and if it is I have to wonder again, why?

Maybe that seems impossible to believe from outside, that someone can submit in a tributing situation genuinely, but not every professional relationship has to be marked by the same psychological boundaries from person to person, and I know that sometimes the service and adoration I recieve are very real and I feel blessed with them.

That is one of the things I learned about and respected in you long ago, and still do. You do give of yourself, not just take with a dollar sign dominating your vision.

I decided when I decided to become professional that I am not going to resent my clients. If I can't respect or enjoy someone I don't work with him again EVER, it's that simple.

That to me is normal, just as it is for many sex workers who make their own choices who they will and will not see, and what service they will and will not provide. I am not sure why anyone would resent a client unless they were being forced to do what they were doing in the first place.

So if someone has a long held fantasy of being a totally owned piece of property in a cage, and has no prospect of ever actually being that, I can either tell him how stupid and misguided he is or I can create a meaningful experience for him, you tell me which is the humane response?

That is nothing but what I have come to expect of you, but for me, as I said, I had never thought of clients signing lifetime contracts and was curious about how it works, where the boundaries lie, where the fantasy begins and ends, or if it even does for some. For me I live my reality, and though it is not for everyone, it is mine....just curious as usual how the realities of others work and operate. You have gone a long way to answer those questions and increase my knowledge base. LOL, as Master says, I am nearly always asking 'why', 'how', 'what if'.....it is who I am and along with observation, is how I have learned the most valuable things in life.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

I'll let RavenSpirit explain her contract then, if she wishes to, I have no more insight into the answers you're seeking than that.

But I've never understood the really jaded Dominatrices who have nothing good to say about these guys. Beyond the nastiness they like to hear, often.

I mean, sure, a lot *are* mild pains in the ass - they are horny men. If you can't tease them and enjoy that you are in the wrong business and it's time to hang up the hat and whip. I complain, we all do, it's life, but when I complain I am complaining small stuff and I am doing it in a spirit of humor. I can spot burnout easily and people truck on along denying it often.

 

[Quint]

*pictures Netzach in top hat and cane, gleefully strutting down the backs of a prostrate line of Chippendales*

 

[catalina_francisco]

But I've never understood the really jaded Dominatrices who have nothing good to say about these guys. Beyond the nastiness they like to hear, often.

I mean, sure, a lot *are* mild pains in the ass - they are horny men. If you can't tease them and enjoy that you are in the wrong business and it's time to hang up the hat and whip. I complain, we all do, it's life, but when I complain I am complaining small stuff and I am doing it in a spirit of humor. I can spot burnout easily and people truck on along denying it often.

I think burnout can explain it for some, but then I also expect there are some like in the rest of the population who are negative in most of their statements, and/or get off on playing the martyr role to the hilt, emphasising how much suffering they have to go through...perhaps it is something to do with ego or insecurity, perhaps just personality type.....like you, I tend to think if that is how they feel, for whatever reason, perhaps they might be better out of it altogether.

Catalina

 

[Netzach]

*pictures Netzach in top hat and cane, gleefully strutting down the backs of a prostrate line of Chippendales*

Before I die I will be taking that photograph.

 

[RavenSpirit2k4]

Well, to me he's a client. I'm as responsible for him as I would be any slave, but that means I'm also obligated, to a certain extent, to help him live out his femdom fantasies more than I might be with a regular slave.

On the other hand, he's still my slave, so what I say goes. For example, he's into cbt but that doesn't mean I have to give it to him. But a few things - like trampling and hosiery - he was insistent about, so those kinks in particular I am obligated to indulge on a regular basis.

In return he owes me a bi-weekly tribute. The contract is written so that I can charge him for other services as well, such as phone calls. In his eyes, paying me tribute is a part of his bondage and service to me.

If it were up to him he would live in a cage, be allowed to leave for work, come back, hand me his check and get back in his cage. That, as you easily guess, just isn't possible.

It's definitely not a regular pro-client arrangement so as much a specific kind of slavery that includes tribute. That's about the best I can explain it for now.