Sex as a form of discipline

[Netzach]

If I really want to give myself to someone, and he made me do this fake fight crap, my inclination to give anything of myself to him would be out the window so fast. Coldest of cold showers.

T has me at my ass in the air, clutching and vulnerable most submissive and it didn't take any math-problem-like pavlovian exercise.

 

[ataxia.girl]

If I really want to give myself to someone, and he made me do this fake fight crap, my inclination to give anything of myself to him would be out the window so fast. Coldest of cold showers.

Yes i was just going to post something to the effect that i think the resistance has to be organic. i'm sure it isn't true for everyone but it is definitely true for me that my submission is deeper and the bond made stronger when my resistance is overcome but it has to be real resistance; not pretend. i know Daddy looks for my resistance, searches for it so that he can overcome it. It is usually not to hard to find and even easier to overcome.

 

[BiBunny]

If I really want to give myself to someone, and he made me do this fake fight crap, my inclination to give anything of myself to him would be out the window so fast. Coldest of cold showers.

T has me at my ass in the air, clutching and vulnerable most submissive and it didn't take any math-problem-like pavlovian exercise.

If I want to give, I will. If I don't, I won't. I have remarkable willpower in these things, so I don't really see the purpose of all the playacting. A hand in my hair and "you are MINE" is all it takes if I want to give.

 

[ataxia.girl]

If I want to give, I will. If I don't, I won't. I have remarkable willpower in these things, so I don't really see the purpose of all the playacting. A hand in my hair and "you are MINE" is all it takes if I want to give.

i also submit "fully" right up front if i want to however i can be driven to a point of resistance and then that resistance overcome and my full submission ends up being more complete than it was in the start; more than what i thought i could surrender if that makes sense. It isn't that i resist to begin with and my submission has to be won as i am overcome... the resistance itself has to be found and then broken down.

i don't think commanding a sub to resist is probably as effective as driving them to the point of resistance. Daddy would never want to encourage me to resist, i am always encouraged to obey but through shear perseverance and endurance he does drive me to the point of resistance and then right through it to an even deeper surrender.

i am driven to the point of a panicky flight or fight response and then guided to surrender and submit with calmness in the face of pain and fear. i would put throat fucking in this same realm of activity. At some point you just relax and open it up and trust that eventually He will let you breathe.

 

[WickedEve]

If I really want to give myself to someone, and he made me do this fake fight crap, my inclination to give anything of myself to him would be out the window so fast. Coldest of cold showers.

You're no fun.
I told my Master about this and he told him to stop suggesting everything I read on the forum. lol Oh, I'm so impressionable.

 

[Netzach]

You're no fun.
I told my Master about this and he told him to stop suggesting everything I read on the forum. lol Oh, I'm so impressionable.

It's true. I am absolutely boring as snot.

 

[DeservingBitch]

It's true. I am absolutely boring as snot.

But you're fucking cute. Love the new av.

[/back to lurking mode]

 

[Caitlynne]

Oh gawd, that is bad. LOL.

But.......... ultimately, so good.

 

[Hisscarlett]

Whilst we are far from Gorean - we are married and live a 24/7 TPE life - Master has on occasion used sex as a form of discipline.

It is one of the punishments I most fear and thankfully he has not used it for a long time. He would fuck me to orgasm, making sure I came several times, before stopping dead. Then he would tell me that because of my behaviour he was not going to come.

Doubled with the knowledge of his disappointment in me I then had to deal with the knowledge that because of me he did not come despite needing to.

Thankfully he has not used that in a very long time.

Also he has used sex to train me to obedience - ordering me not to move or to maintain certain positions, or not to make a sound being some examples.

It is a way of training a slave, but at the same time I think that the Master needs to know exactly why he is doing what he is doing and understand his slave's emotional/mental state before embarking on it.

 

[Homburg]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I've used sex to reinforce the power dynamic. I was just confused by wording and presentation.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I've used sex to reinforce the power dynamic. I was just confused by wording and presentation.

The OP was trying to use Norman's poorly written fantasy-land behavior to justify/explain something he wants to use in real life. About as useful as basing what you want in your relationship off of Klingon mating rituals. Or porn videos.

I don't go there, I'd much rather work my power exchange in the real world that includes balding, paunchy middle aged men, gravity afflicted cleavage, jobs, grocery shopping, dealing with the children, nosy neighbors and in-laws, etc. I don't have the luxury of affording live-in, non-income generating slaves, don't have anti-aging and anti-pregnancy drugs in our table wine, etc. Gor is fine to use as wanking material or to spice up your sex life if it is what works for someone and their partner.

There's a reason Goreans are considered a subculture of the general BDSM world, and it's the same reason Klingons are considered a subculture of science fiction fandom...

'Nuff said.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

I have to confess, I don't really get this. Master and I have done nonconsent scenes, where I have physically resisted him as much as I can and those were really hot. I just can't see this though. I would feel perfectly ridiculous lying there with my lower body still and compliant while my upper body flapped around going 'please no!' I doubt it would to much for my Master either.

Different strokes I guess.

 

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[myinnerslut]

About as useful as basing what you want in your relationship off of Klingon mating rituals.

look, im into kinky maso sex, but.... OW!

 

[Kajira Callista]

The OP was trying to use Norman's poorly written fantasy-land behavior to justify/explain something he wants to use in real life. About as useful as basing what you want in your relationship off of Klingon mating rituals. Or porn videos.

I don't go there, I'd much rather work my power exchange in the real world that includes balding, paunchy middle aged men, gravity afflicted cleavage, jobs, grocery shopping, dealing with the children, nosy neighbors and in-laws, etc. I don't have the luxury of affording live-in, non-income generating slaves, don't have anti-aging and anti-pregnancy drugs in our table wine, etc. Gor is fine to use as wanking material or to spice up your sex life if it is what works for someone and their partner.

There's a reason Goreans are considered a subculture of the general BDSM world, and it's the same reason Klingons are considered a subculture of science fiction fandom...

'Nuff said.

thanks

 

[intothewoods]

The OP was trying to use Norman's poorly written fantasy-land behavior to justify/explain something he wants to use in real life. About as useful as basing what you want in your relationship off of Klingon mating rituals. Or porn videos.

I don't go there, I'd much rather work my power exchange in the real world that includes balding, paunchy middle aged men, gravity afflicted cleavage, jobs, grocery shopping, dealing with the children, nosy neighbors and in-laws, etc. I don't have the luxury of affording live-in, non-income generating slaves, don't have anti-aging and anti-pregnancy drugs in our table wine, etc. Gor is fine to use as wanking material or to spice up your sex life if it is what works for someone and their partner.

There's a reason Goreans are considered a subculture of the general BDSM world, and it's the same reason Klingons are considered a subculture of science fiction fandom...

'Nuff said.

I've got nothing to say about Gor, since I never read any of it, but the part in bold made me laugh.

 

[Sage17]

Well I definitely think sex can be used as means of control to anyone who NEEDS sex frequently. In fact, its kind of easy. People do it all the time.

 

[Sqoodd]

John Norman is a Genius.
Long Live, Tarl Cabot.

 

[wicked2bme]

sex as a form of discipline

Yes, it works !

 

[HarlotMinx]

The OP was trying to use Norman's poorly written fantasy-land behavior to justify/explain something he wants to use in real life. About as useful as basing what you want in your relationship off of Klingon mating rituals. Or porn videos.

I don't go there, I'd much rather work my power exchange in the real world that includes balding, paunchy middle aged men, gravity afflicted cleavage, jobs, grocery shopping, dealing with the children, nosy neighbors and in-laws, etc. I don't have the luxury of affording live-in, non-income generating slaves, don't have anti-aging and anti-pregnancy drugs in our table wine, etc. Gor is fine to use as wanking material or to spice up your sex life if it is what works for someone and their partner.

There's a reason Goreans are considered a subculture of the general BDSM world, and it's the same reason Klingons are considered a subculture of science fiction fandom...

'Nuff said.

I think I have to follow Geoff on this. John Lange (never liked pen names), while admittedly I give him credit for being imaginative in his depictions of gor, was simply writing scifi novels based on the mood of the era to which he grew up with the addition of foreign influences, not coming up with any revolutionary social structure. I fully believe that he never intended them to be taken into the BDSM context much less be acted on. If he had he might have thought them out better when he wrote them. Lange's academic career took place during the 1950s (I often connect Goreans with exaggerated 1950's ideals with obvious Asian and Muslim flavoring.) and many of his books were written to reflect an overly emphasized version of the male philosophy of the era.

His first Gor novel was written in 1966 during years where we were starting to see the post-war baby boomers come to age and reject the "traditional" value set of the 50's. Many of his books became popular with many who held onto those value sets and ideas on female identity. This continued during the 70's as well, becoming sort of the 1950 man's version of a romance novel. During the 80's we find Lange's books all but disappearing under the Second-wave feminists and the idea of political correctness. It's only recently that we see a resurgence in the Gorean community with new interpretations and extrapolations on his books.

I think its fine and dandy to love his novels or even emulate them to some degree. Still, I'm siding with Geoff, there are some really gorgeous works out there to read and the books of Gor are not on the top of that list for me. I'm currently working through Donatien Francois de Sade's 120 days of sodom. Just recommend that when you start to plan your relationship around his books you take it as more of a..... guide than say a code of conduct.

-poppet