Should writers and editors be ALLOWED to vote??

[cloudy]

(Geez. Drop four measily stories on the pile and suddenly act like you own the place. Kinda full of yourself, fella.)

Why do you always do that? That argument is about as meaningless as the tired old post count thing. Just because you have a lot of stories here doesn't make you the shits. There are other places writers place their work, you know.

"Full of himself"? Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle.

 

[sr71plt]

Gentlemen, gentlemen. Would it be possible for you both to douse your testosterone-laden egos in some calming waters?

Lately, I've seen great things done in discussion here, I'd hate to see it all go to waste because you can't turn the testosterone down a notch .....pwease.

I take it you didn't read Max's last post (or my cutoff of my comment in the post preceding it), C--because we'd both obviously ended whatever posturing there was before you posted.

 

[sr71plt]

Why do you always do that? That argument is about as meaningless as the tired old post count thing. Just because you have a lot of stories here doesn't make you the shits. There are other places writers place their work, you know.

Get over yourself.

I'd respond but the question isn't on the topic thread and seems to designed to continue the bickering we've been asked to keep off the thread. If you wish to discuss it with me, you can PM me.

 

[LadyCibelle]

I take it you didn't read Max's last post (or my cutoff of my comment in the post preceding it), C--because we'd both obviously ended whatever posturing there was before you posted.

You're absolutely right, I hadn't seen it. I probably was writing as you were both calming down. Thanks anyway.

 

[cloudy]

I'd respond but the question isn't on the topic thread and seems to designed to continue the bickering we've been asked to keep off the thread. If you wish to discuss it with me, you can PM me.

I don't wish to "continue" any bickering. I just wish you would stop setting yourself up as the end all be all because you have X number of stories. I've seen you do it countless times.

You may do it because you feel it intimidates some, but you and I both know it doesn't mean diddleysquat. I could crank out a story a day if I wanted to - doesn't mean they'd be worth anything, but I could do it - so, therefore, that argument is nothing but a straw man.

 

[sr71plt]

I don't wish to "continue" any bickering. I just wish you would stop setting yourself up as the end all be all because you have X number of stories. I've seen you do it countless times.

You may do it because you feel it intimidates some, but you and I both know it doesn't mean diddleysquat. I could crank out a story a day if I wanted to - doesn't mean they'd be worth anything, but I could do it - so, therefore, that argument is nothing but a straw man.

If you don't wish to "continue" bickering, then just stop continuing it.

Be happy to hash this out with you in PMs.

 

[cloudy]

If you don't wish to "continue" bickering, then just stop continuing it.

Be happy to hash this out with you in PMs.

No need. I was just calling you on some bad, and quite repetitive, behavior.

 

[Guest]

Evening, peeps.

You know, were I retired, without young kids in the house, I could churn out a story a day.

Cake and pie.

Want a drink, cloudy love? How about you, LC?

 

[sr71plt]

No need. I was just calling you on some bad, and quite repetitive, behavior.

No you weren't. You were/are trying to draw me into a public argument (so you can say I'm the one who is argumentative). I can certainly respond to the issue you raise. If you don't want to discuss it privately, though, you just want to bait me. You might use your time more constructively by going and writing a story for Lit. Your portfolio is very thin when compared to your forum yammering. Goodnight, though.

 

[sexylaila438]

First, I do agree with SR (I know, I know) in that if you prefer to not deal with the voting you can turn it off. However, I think the whole point of voting and comments is to give the writers feedback so they can improve. Regardless of the validity, I do think that if people have the right intentions, the voting and comments can truly help the writer in the long run.

Before I continue, I would like to preface my next statement with the following disclaimer:

To SR specifically, I'm about to disagree with you. I am, in no way, attempting to begin an argument with you and would prefer that you recognize my disagreement as a difference in opinions. Further, this is a forum and a free site where we can all share thoughts and opinions and regardless of what you personally think about myself or anyone else, every comment has merit. I would also like to point out to you, that frequently you have very valid comments and contribute a good perspective when responding to posts. However, the manner in which you choose to respond detracts greatly from what you are saying.

You might use your time more constructively by going and writing a story for Lit. Your portfolio is very thin when compared to your forum yammering.

I know this statement was directed at Cloudy, however, it definitely caused me pause. This issue has come up before in other posts, not only from you but others. I personally prefer not to post any of my writing here. Further, I think that any of my comments in the forums and my time (which is very significant on a daily basis) spent as a VE contributes to this site and just as valid as the work that is contributed. I take great offense when it is suggested, not just by you but others as well, that somehow the only way to have a meaningful contribution to this site is to post a story every day. And to be frank, I don't see how it is anyone's place to judge someone else's level of contributions; you do not have specific knowledge of what others do in their own time.

Again, this is not just directed to SR but to all who seem to think that the only meaningful voices are those who have an extensive list of stories under his or her name. There have been several posts from writers seeking a VE that specifically ask about the VE's writing abilities. If I was a writer here, I don't know that I would want a VE that was also currently writing on this site. Creativity is difficult to control; I wouldn't want someone's creative needs to impact my story or my story to reflect another's ideas. Further, just because someone is a good writer does not necessarily mean s/he is a good editor, and vice versa.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, I just thought that since everyone else was sharing their's, I would share mine too!

SL

 

[mjl2010]

I think the premise that a writer or editor shouldn't be allowed to vote or just shouldn't is ridiculous.

I for one, have stated on more than one occasion how I vote. I have criteria for voting each number from 1 to 5. If I read a story by a new author who shows some promise, I might allow some leeway in order to encourage them. Other than that, if you ask me to read a story I'll vote and you'll get what I think you deserve, be it a one or a five or something in between.

The idea that a writer or editor shouldn't vote is preposterous. That's like saying politicians shouldn't vote because they'd vote for themselves. I know I've gotten honest votes from other writers and editors. I do the same. I can't imagine why I'd do different. And yes, I do vote once on my own story. That way I get to offset, partially, one troll vote that maybe doesn't get swept.

I suppose there are a few out there who would vote a five on their own story and less on someone else's just to boost their own ego. It's not me.

Give me a break...

This site is about writers and their work. The votes I VALUE THE MOST are the ones that come from other writers. At least I learn something that way.

However, Max O Drive, if you feel that, because you are a writer or editor that you can't vote objectively, then please don't vote.

MJL

 

[sr71plt]

First, I do agree with SR (I know, I know) in that if you prefer to not deal with the voting you can turn it off. However, I think the whole point of voting and comments is to give the writers feedback so they can improve. Regardless of the validity, I do think that if people have the right intentions, the voting and comments can truly help the writer in the long run.

Before I continue, I would like to preface my next statement with the following disclaimer:

To SR specifically, I'm about to disagree with you. I am, in no way, attempting to begin an argument with you and would prefer that you recognize my disagreement as a difference in opinions. Further, this is a forum and a free site where we can all share thoughts and opinions and regardless of what you personally think about myself or anyone else, every comment has merit. I would also like to point out to you, that frequently you have very valid comments and contribute a good perspective when responding to posts. However, the manner in which you choose to respond detracts greatly from what you are saying.



I know this statement was directed at Cloudy, however, it definitely caused me pause. This issue has come up before in other posts, not only from you but others. I personally prefer not to post any of my writing here. Further, I think that any of my comments in the forums and my time (which is very significant on a daily basis) spent as a VE contributes to this site and just as valid as the work that is contributed. I take great offense when it is suggested, not just by you but others as well, that somehow the only way to have a meaningful contribution to this site is to post a story every day. And to be frank, I don't see how it is anyone's place to judge someone else's level of contributions; you do not have specific knowledge of what others do in their own time.

Again, this is not just directed to SR but to all who seem to think that the only meaningful voices are those who have an extensive list of stories under his or her name. There have been several posts from writers seeking a VE that specifically ask about the VE's writing abilities. If I was a writer here, I don't know that I would want a VE that was also currently writing on this site. Creativity is difficult to control; I wouldn't want someone's creative needs to impact my story or my story to reflect another's ideas. Further, just because someone is a good writer does not necessarily mean s/he is a good editor, and vice versa.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, I just thought that since everyone else was sharing their's, I would share mine too!

SL

It' certainly fine with me for us to have different perspective on such issues and to express them. On this thread I was told to shut up when I made what I think is a valid point on the topic of the thread (and only pinned down what another poster had already said). That's the context. Someone with a short history and only a few stories contributed suddenly talking like they own the board and know how people should write (expressed in earlier threads) and now who should get to vote on stories. And being very, very nasty in their attack (in their initial posting to me, that is).

I do think that when someone acts like the queen/king of the site while contributing a story every three months or so as opposed to 20,000 posts on the forum for a couple of years isn't a writer, they are a yakker (usually on nothing pertaining to the site or to erotica writing). Which is fine until they do everything they can to minimize and choke out those who do regularly contribute stories to the centerpiece of this site and would like to enter discussions on the forum and not be followed around and double-team attacked just for posting--or for posting different perspectives than the group-think here.

So, that's one of my opinions. I respect that there are those who don't agree with me. I won't be attacking them for holding their views. Unfortunately, the history is that they continue to double-team attack me for holding mine.

 

[Max ODrive]

Sorry, SR, I totally disagree with your assesment of YOUR initial post in this thread.

Your attitude was a provoking one, trying to entice either JJ or someone else into an argumentative stance. This wasn't about turning on or off votes, it was about whether or not writers or editors should be allowed to vote on stories period, or on ones they're involved in.

Since I was the original poster, and I know that you have this propensity for drawing flames into a post, and knowing just how reticient you can be when told to keep the post on topic, I promptly told you to shut up IF you couldn't stay on topic, and don't provoke a fight in my thread.

And I'll tell you to shut up and stay on topic and not be provocative on any thread I start, or on any thread I decide to be involved in that you disrupt. Its not about you, or me, or Cloudy or LC or anyone else, per se. Its about defining and discussing the topic of the thread for the edification of the entire group, and for those who come in later.. even years or decades or eons later and read this.

And when you screw that up, you screw up the entire thread..

Besides.. some people think that getting ganged by two or more females is a GOOD thing.. *grin*

 

[sr71plt]

Sorry, SR, I totally disagree with your assesment of YOUR initial post in this thread.

Your attitude was a provoking one, trying to entice either JJ or someone else into an argumentative stance. This wasn't about turning on or off votes, it was about whether or not writers or editors should be allowed to vote on stories period, or on ones they're involved in.

Since I was the original poster, and I know that you have this propensity for drawing flames into a post, and knowing just how reticient you can be when told to keep the post on topic, I promptly told you to shut up IF you couldn't stay on topic, and don't provoke a fight in my thread.

And I'll tell you to shut up and stay on topic and not be provocative on any thread I start, or on any thread I decide to be involved in that you disrupt. Its not about you, or me, or Cloudy or LC or anyone else, per se. Its about defining and discussing the topic of the thread for the edification of the entire group, and for those who come in later.. even years or decades or eons later and read this.

And when you screw that up, you screw up the entire thread..

Besides.. some people think that getting ganged by two or more females is a GOOD thing.. *grin*

Different opinions, then--and possibly you looking for what you want to see in what I post. I won't tell you to shut up (and I certainly won't use the flame wording you did). But I will continue to express my opinions here.

P.S. You and Cloudy took this thread off topic (by directly going after me), not me; my posting was a logical extrapolation from what Snooper posted and was on the topic of Lit. voting.

 

[Max ODrive]

That does lead to the question of why Jenny and others who think the voting system means nothing and should be done away with don't also turn off the voting for their stories.

Snoop turned off his votes. Thats his choice.

Simply because he has disabled that function doesn't beg the question why JJ et al haven't made the same decision, it merely means he elected to disregard that portion of the feedback scructure.

By "leading" the question as you have, your 'simple' comment essentially states that since they also feel the voting section is irrelevant, they are remiss by not electing to turn off their own vote gathering capabilities.

I found your statement to be incendiary, and since you did NOT even address any of the initial issues presented in the original topic, except in the most tangental of ways, you were being judgmental again. As usual.

And since you only seem to respond favorably to an over-the-top method of error-correction, I went immediately over-the-top in an attempt (however fruitless it has turned out to be) to restore the thread back to its original topic.

Now, yet again.. and I'll even ask NICELY..unless you have something to directly contribute to the thread in a positive and THOUGHT provoking (not emotion provoking) manner, please pretend this thread doesn't exist in your version of the universe.

 

[sr71plt]

Snoop turned off his votes. Thats his choice.

Simply because he has disabled that function doesn't beg the question why JJ et al haven't made the same decision, it merely means he elected to disregard that portion of the feedback scructure.

By "leading" the question as you have, your 'simple' comment essentially states that since they also feel the voting section is irrelevant, they are remiss by not electing to turn off their own vote gathering capabilities.

I found your statement to be incendiary, and since you did NOT even address any of the initial issues presented in the original topic, except in the most tangental of ways, you were being judgmental again. As usual.

And since you only seem to respond favorably to an over-the-top method of error-correction, I went immediately over-the-top in an attempt (however fruitless it has turned out to be) to restore the thread back to its original topic.

Now, yet again.. and I'll even ask NICELY..unless you have something to directly contribute to the thread in a positive and THOUGHT provoking (not emotion provoking) manner, please pretend this thread doesn't exist in your version of the universe.

I will continue to put comments on threads run on the forum as I wish (if they are private threads, they can be handled in PMs). I did so on this thread, and will continue to do so as the mood strikes me. You took this off the topic and haven't brought it back on topic. That's your problem/issue, not mine.

My posting was to express my opinion that if someone says voting here is meaningless and should be turned off--and they haven't turned off the voting on their own stories--they are talking double-speak. I think most of the actual writers posting to Lit. want to be received comparatively well (although, granted, some appear to write for the thrill of angry response), and the only way they can gauge this is the public and private comments and in assessing the voting (taking into account all the flaws in any kind of voting system). And I think it's nonsense to suggest that those who write or edit here shouldn't be permitted to vote here.

There, I'm spot on topic. Are you and others going to come back to the topic or continue to gangbang me?

 

[emap]

Children play nice or I shall have to turn the car around.

I swear, if ya'll get any more childish I will have to call Santa and tell him to deliver coal to your sock.

I suppose I should have stated my whole opinion on why editors and writers should not be allowed to vote so a 4 year old would understand it. I mean seriously, why is the reading comprehension so low in here?

I said writers and editors should not be allowed to vote simple because the majority look at the story and search out the problems. I do it myself, every single time i read a story or book I pause rather often and go this would be hotter if this happened or this would sound better/darker if this happened or of course it would come out better written like this. That was the whole reason behind my saying writers and editors should not vote on the stories.

This is not to say I don't enjoy certain stories, I go back to many later, or do searches for the similar topic. I do still evaluate and honestly I would find it rather annoying to have another writer or editor send me a message private or otherwise saying I should have done this and this and written this part like this. I do like people saying I want more or wish you would do such and such a thing, but being told I should do something is a sure way of annoying me and of course not doing it.

Mjl I am sorry you took offense to what I said, you seem to be one of the few non evaluating writers around.

Now I have no particular love of the voting, I leave it on because people do like it and i have gotten emails from people who voted the way they did and wanted to tell me privately, if I turn off the voting I lose those. I suppose now ya'll can go back to arguing over who has the biggest balls or whatever.

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Aolgies for my keyboard rolems

After getting y lato "reaired", here I am...

I don't vote on my owm stories nor ones I've edited. That'my choice, not any "rue" as far a I know. Voting is a double-eged sword. Somevote lo, others vote as tey fel (honestly). A few stoies I'm mst roud of never asred to the level I aniciated, while a few I wrote quickly with litle asiratins actually have done quite well

The ubic is fickle. I write for myslf and share what I write, don'tdeend too much on votes, bu ivotes can be a good inicator of accetance ofyour ieas and charcter develoment.

Gee, sure am glad they fixd my keyboard!

 

[snooper]

... I will have to call Santa and tell him to deliver coal to your sock. ...

To quote ".. if you had seen where men have been, in places dark and low, you would not waste one speck of coal ..." and these children do not deserve anything more than this:

 

[emap]

Asylum you gotta share who fixed your keyboard cause they did a bang up job.

 

[mjl2010]

Mjl I am sorry you took offense to what I said, you seem to be one of the few non evaluating writers around.

Now I have no particular love of the voting, I leave it on because people do like it and i have gotten emails from people who voted the way they did and wanted to tell me privately, if I turn off the voting I lose those. I suppose now ya'll can go back to arguing over who has the biggest balls or whatever.

emap, I didn't take offense to what you wrote. If it seemed that way, I apologize. I just stated my opinion and often tend to do so rather bluntly.

Peace

 

[AsylumSeeker]

Asylum you gotta share who fixed your keyboard cause they did a bang up job.

Bouht laptop at Sa's Club with th extended wrranty, hame send it to Cyber Test in FL.

Cber Idiots mnre like it!

I'll be on he phone tomorrow!

 

[emap]

mjl you really gotta work on that, my guy is the same way, and if you really want to see how red a gal can get tell her in front of her parents that you want to fuck her brains out ASAP.

On a plus note I am about as fast as him in the house.

Asylum honestly, it is probably best that the next time you go and buy a laptop from I assume Sam's Club, don't bother with the warranty and just send it to a different repair shop.

Alternatly buy it from Best Buy, they use a different company to fix stuff, or rather you take it in to them and get a new one so long as under warranty. At least I think that is how it works there, I don't buy laptops.

 

[Five_Eight]

What, me worry?

Personally I just let the voting happen, I want an accurate scorecard untainted by me. Since I don't know who's voting or commenting then I get a true picture of what strangers think. There is one exception I'll share with you.

A story I posted garnered some unfair criticism from another writer who had the balls (and integrity) to identify himself. He complained about technical errors however that simply did not appear in my manuscript. Since I'd already been given a red badge I figured I had the right to present my rebuttal right alongside his comments. Adding my reply posed a moral dilemma. What the hell am I supposed to do, vote myself a one? In the overall scheme of things after your story gets its "RED H" then it shouldn't matter if you vote (although I felt pretentious voting for myself.) I've seen one writer here who replied to comments no fewer than four times and gave himself a 5 every time.

There are, obviously, different schools of thought about whether it's honorable to vote on your own stuff. If you're running for President, etc. you're certainly allowed to vote for yourself.

Peace out, everyone.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

I, as opposed to a number of writers on Lit I know, never vote on my own stories. I never vote on a story that I cannot finish - that rates a 3. I never vote on a story I review in the Feedback Forum.

I always vote on the contest stories. And I always vote on good stories that rate a 4 or 5.

However, I still find the feedback in my email far more important and helpful than votes or PCs. <Shrug>