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[Guest]

Just spit out my rum and coke.

Man cooter?

I know. Doesn't it make you want to swat it with a rolled up newspaper or something? We should make a list of Most Awful Euphemisms Ever, just so young innocent porn writers can avoid them.

 

[Guest]

I know. Doesn't it make you want to swat it with a rolled up newspaper or something? We should make a list of Most Awful Euphemisms Ever, just so young innocent porn writers can avoid them.

There have been several threads on this but they always degenerate into giggles and flirting and wild sexual innuendo.

Lots of fun, though!

 

[kbate]

I know. Doesn't it make you want to swat it with a rolled up newspaper or something? We should make a list of Most Awful Euphemisms Ever, just so young innocent porn writers can avoid them.

Are you kidding. this thread has already filled 3 pages of my next story.

 

[Guest]

Are you kidding. this thread has already filled 3 pages of my next story.

Well, don't forget to use "Ram it home, Big Boner!"

No erotic story is complete without THAT gem.

 

[Guest]

Are you kidding. this thread has already filled 3 pages of my next story.

I think I'm scared.

No, I KNOW I'm scared.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I know. Doesn't it make you want to swat it with a rolled up newspaper or something? We should make a list of Most Awful Euphemisms Ever, just so young innocent porn writers can avoid them.

My favorite was from a story about a man transformed into a woman. The author thought that "second butthole" would be an apt description for what the man might now think he possessed. Interestingly enough, the story was posted in the feedback forum, where the author excoriated me for suggesting that that particular phrase might benefit from some fine tuning.

 

[Guest]

My favorite was from a story about a man transformed into a woman. The author thought that "second butthole" would be an apt description for what the man might now think he possessed. Interestingly enough, the story was posted in the feedback forum, where the author excoriated me for suggesting that that particular phrase might benefit from some fine tuning.

My first thought from your description of that story was "Had this newly transformed man never SEEN a woman? And why would he make a leap to that particular term when a little inspection might have provided, um, additional information?"

There's also the thought that taking constructive feedback is often the most difficult part of writing. I admire those who can, and shake my head over those who ask for feedback but really only want love and praise. I worked for a while with a writer's group that, whenever stories were turned in for workshop critique, the author was required to check off from a list what kinds of feedback they desired. "Positive feedback and encouragement" was on the list.

 

[Guest]

There's also the thought that taking constructive feedback is often the most difficult part of writing. I admire those who can, and shake my head over those who ask for feedback but really only want love and praise. I worked for a while with a writer's group that, whenever stories were turned in for workshop critique, the author was required to check off from a list what kinds of feedback they desired. "Positive feedback and encouragement" was on the list.

What?

No loud acclaim? No thunderous applause? No undying love?

Well, forget THAT writer's group.

(I'm gonna take my laptop and go home.)

 

[Guest]

What?

No loud acclaim? No thunderous applause? No undying love?

Well, forget THAT writer's group.

(I'm gonna take my laptop and go home.)

Well, the feedback was all written. Writing "applause applause" and "whoo HOOO" seems sort of...well...ineffective on a feedback form.

I think the most awful thing I've ever said in feedback was "I am not suited to properly appreciate this story, and my feedback would not be useful to you."

 

[Guest]

Well, the feedback was all written. Writing "applause applause" and "whoo HOOO" seems sort of...well...ineffective on a feedback form.

I think the most awful thing I've ever said in feedback was "I am not suited to properly appreciate this story, and my feedback would not be useful to you."

Very diplomatic.

 

[Guest]

Very diplomatic.

I hate to piss someone off accidentally.

If I'm going to piss someone off, I want to do it with deliberation, precision, and care, so I can thoroughly enjoy it. Otherwise, why go to the trouble?

Accidental irritations are just not worth the effort.

 

[Guest]

I hate to piss someone off accidentally.

If I'm going to piss someone off, I want to do it with deliberation, precision, and care, so I can thoroughly enjoy it. Otherwise, why go to the trouble?

Accidental irritations are just not worth the effort.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I worked for a while with a writer's group that, whenever stories were turned in for workshop critique, the author was required to check off from a list what kinds of feedback they desired. "Positive feedback and encouragement" was on the list.

I think that really an excellent idea. I've worked with writers' workshops that have guidelines for critiques (impression/strength/to work on, or balance of positive and negative, or what have you), but have often thought that what they really needed was a way for the authors to communicate what they were looking for. I think that idea is excellent; it saves hurt feelings on all sides.

I think that's at the root of some of the constant debates about voting, PC's, and PM's on Lit as well. Different people expect different things in those categories, and it can be difficult for others to decide what they're after. Bit a minefield sometimes.

Shanglan

 

[Owlwhisper]

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[Guest]

Perhaps those of us getting started here should append a "statement of needs" to our submissions? Something like, "If you would like to comment on this story, the author is particularly interested in..." This might help people decide if they should comment, and what to focus on if they do.

Would this be helpful to those of you who like to share your skills and experience?

Whenever I offer to edit/first read someone's work, it is a question I ask. I also specify when I ask someone else to first read/edit something of mine. Sometimes, really, I want a hard, close look at a piece. Other times I think there's a specific problem I want addressed. And other times, I feel fragile and I need encouragement and support when someone comments.

Most writers I know have a harder time accepting positive comments than negative -- many are all too eager to submit to and take to heart the most scathing remarks, and suspect anything postive is "just to be nice".

One side line on this is that, while there is a lot of information on how to GIVE critique, there's not always a lot about how to ACCEPT and USE critique. I actually have a guide (again, created for a writing workshop) on how to do the latter and I keep it handy.

 

[Owlwhisper]

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[Guest]

I'll put something like that on the end of my next submission and see what happens.

Interesting. Are you sure they're not really dancing inside in response to those positive remarks? The positive comments I've gotten--and I'm talking about ones more substantive than the "Great story, can't wait for your next" kind--tell me that I'm doing ok, and that makes me happy. (Actually, the "Great story, etc." comments give me a kick, too, but I'm trying to take the high road here. <smile>)

Hehheh, perhaps I should qualify. The source of praise is sometimes suspect and the praise from that source less reassuring. But I have gone through some writing groups where some writers were simply unable to accept praise, or took every positive as "just being nice". It's not unlike the problem many people have accepting a compliment, always answering with some comment to undervalue the kindness meant. I think it's a sort of defensive manuever, a kind of "You can't say anything about it that's worse than what I can say". It might also be a way to up the intensity of the compliments, a sort of "Come on, REALLY convince me" challenge.

It's also common for people to ask for critique they are not prepared to accept. I've been going through the whole workshop process for some years now in classes and various groups and it never seems to get easier -- but the results I get are more useful to me. It still feels like standing at the bull's eye center in a knife-throwing competition, but it I come out with a stronger, tighter, story, well worth the anxiety and tears.

 

[OX2]

Well, if you look at writing as a bareing of the soul, then it is indicitive of that persons personal nature as to how they take the critisisims. Defensivly or demurely or what ever. I think everyone takes what they put on figurtive paper as a bit of themselves. Sometimes I can't believe the stuff that comes out of my head.

I think " I launched my heat seeking moisture missel into her sloppy wet coooze hole" has awe-ful merit!!

 

[kbate]

I had to cut about a thousand words to make a story of it.. but the story based on this thread is now posted..... story

 

[Nostalgy_Prince]

well it is horribly funny, if I can use those two terms in conjunction