Taboo Topics You'd Never Touch

[mickyp123]

Well alright. Just tried to get involved. Maybe it's something both mickp and I should avoid doing in the future.

No hard feelings it's my humour, well that's my excuse anyway lol

 

[catalina_francisco]

As an example to cover the topic starter and so to avoid discussion of children. (which I consider an obvious "no contest" and it just creeps me out)

LOL, well see, if you have a taboo thread, statements such as yours 'in terms of xyz it is obviously not in the discussion as it creeps me out' not only contradicts the theme of taboo discussion, but also expects everyone finds the same things off limits which gets very frustrating in certain arenas as communication is then not as clear as it should be. Everyone is different, everyone will have different limits to our own, and what is taboo to you might be a walk in the park for me or someone else.

Catalina

 

[mickyp123]

LOL, well see, if you have a taboo thread, statements such as yours 'in terms of xyz it is obviously not in the discussion as it creeps me out' not only contradicts the theme of taboo discussion, but also expects everyone finds the same things off limits which gets very frustrating in certain arenas as communication is then not as clear as it should be. Everyone is different, everyone will have different limits to our own, and what is taboo to you might be a walk in the park for me or someone else.

Catalina

You is good catalina, lol care to give me the GPS heading for the park you have in mind

 

[marieR19]

I'm pretty much blanking on "taboos" that haven't really been talked about around here... I used to think there were tons of taboos that not even Lit people would talk about, but you all have definitely proved me wrong since I've been here.

As to the mental/emotional deficiencies, it depends what kind, how severe, etc. Most of you know my struggle with depression/anxiety, and anorexia and suicide way back when, but I do not consider myself incapable of making sane decisions. Likewise, just because someone is autistic or skitzophrinic (omg I totally didn't spell that right), it doesn't necesserily mean that they aren't capable of consent. It depends on the person and the severity of the problem.

There are tons of "taboos" that I agree are taboo and the I would never even think of pursuing, ie children, etc, but they aren't new topics to this board at all.

Basically....I want to know what each of you personally sees as your own personal taboo. Whether it be something you, yourself will not do. Or something you are aware of, have looked into but haven't brought yourself to "wrap your mind" around.
Then, after listing said beastie, please do me a favor and tell me WHY it's something you just can't get into. I want to look into the minds of those around me here in lit. That' all. Not looking for educational references necessarily. Just....your own opinions.
There MUSt be ONE person out there who's tried something and then placed it in their "never to do again" file.

Okay, hmmmmm.... I've beaten this topic to death, I'm sure, but the only thing I can think of at the moment is humiliation in regards to physical appearence. I can't and won't, EVER, let that be a part of my life, in any way. I know there are bdsm-ers who are fine with being called a "fat slut" or teased about their weight, and to each his own, yunno? I want to say that I can't understand why anyone would want to hear that, but I know that different things turn different people on, and I know that I'm certainly not one to talk when it comes to strangenesses. But for me it is a HARD limit, the ultimate limit, and yeah a "taboo" if you want to call it that. Not just because I'm self-consious or it isn't something I want to hear, but because I still constantly teeter on the edge with eating disorders, and putting my depression/anxiety on top of that, I honestly think I would have a completely breakdown if anyone was to say something like that in a scene.


Heather

 

[SweetSera]

Taboo for me is things involving bodily fluids etc.
Taboo is also thinking about sex and family in the same sentence.
I probably have more... but I thought I'd put in my 2 cents.

 

[catalina_francisco]

You is good catalina, lol care to give me the GPS heading for the park you have in mind

LOL, you'd get wet swimming over here!!

Catalina

 

[mickyp123]

LOL, you'd get wet swimming over here!!

Catalina

i couldn't fiord it anyway, eeek that was terrible

Marie 19,

it doesn't necesserily mean that they aren't capable of consent. It depends on the person and the severity of the problem.

That is a subject that one could speak volumes on,

 

[intothewoods]

Taboo - incest, any play with animals or kids, scat. Not quite "taboo," but I'm not into public play, where the public isn't part of the bdsm scene. I would classify that as more distasteful though.

As for whether it's been discussed on lit...yeah, there's a thread Betticus started not too long ago. And plenty of people were down with doing their brother or sister.

I'm kind of a freak about boundaries. If you don't have them, it raises a red flag for me. And yeah, I'm judgmental, and I think that's okay.

And as for diminished capacity...well, in addition to what others have said, I personally don't feel comfortable playing with people who really seem out of control. It's not that they can't consent exactly. It's more that, first of all, my care-taking instincts kick in (and my attraction level crashes). Also, my current life situation has made me go into control-freak hyperdrive. So it just makes me incredibly uncomfortable to be around people who are absolutely out of control (I mean, like, drinking and driving, yada yada).

Hard limits -

Extreme public humiliation - forced to come in public, piss play, etc. Not my bag.

Anything so risky you could die or be seriously injured. No thanks.

Actually, in truth, I've really hit a wall in play. I can bottom very superficially, but it's just so hard for me to relax and let go. I can only do that with a very trusted PYL.

 

[midwestyankee]

Seems to me that some of these posts have blurred the distinction between taboo, which is a societal norm, and hard limit, which is a matter of personal choice.

Or maybe the purpose of the original post was to use "taboo" as synonymous with "hard limit?"

For most of us, our expressed hard limits often include such things as incest, sex with children, and bestiality. I'd posit that these are generally societal taboos and therefore might not be required in a list of personal limits.

Or maybe that's the point - that we have the freedom to go past the limits of taboos if we choose.

Anyway, my inner linguist took over for a while.

 

[catalina_francisco]

For most of us, our expressed hard limits often include such things as incest, sex with children, and bestiality. I'd posit that these are generally societal taboos and therefore might not be required in a list of personal limits.

Or maybe that's the point - that we have the freedom to go past the limits of taboos if we choose.

Anyway, my inner linguist took over for a while.

Yep, and some would add scat, GS, bloodplay to that....that is why if we are looking to play with someone else, we do not accept them saying 'oh, and the usual limits/taboos everyone has' simply because not everyone has them or the same ones..and then you can also bring into it cultural issues which might not hold the same things taboo as you or I might. Communication saves so much time and energy.

Catalina

 

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

Being a sadist, I look at "taboos" differently.

I do have morals that make certain ideas off limits, but because of the way my mind works other ideas stimulate me, and get my creative juices flowing.

We have been to a private "BDSM" party, where other people in the life could meet, have intelligent discourse, and play if you cared to. There is a couple that has been there a couple of times that has a slave or sub that is obviously of diminished capacity. There is no doubt that she is not of the ability to give a rational consent. It bothers me, and I feel it is problematic of this lifestyle.

Many so called "Dominants" take advantage of people that want to be a part of the life, and then they are "ruined" or leave because they didn't get what they were looking for, or worse are taken by abusers that hide under the BDSM umbrella, just waiting for a chance to beat someone down.

Taboos are personal, they can be hard limits, or just something that because you don't understand it is wrong, with explanation, they could become something wonderful. Just ask my little girl, who revels in her ownership, she is the first to tell you that she has never felt so free as she does being owned.

Imagine having a partner that doesn't look at you as sick or perverted when you express yourself, sexually, or intellectually.

 

[h_i_s]

Likewise, just because someone is autistic or skitzophrinic (omg I totally didn't spell that right), it doesn't necesserily mean that they aren't capable of consent. It depends on the person and the severity of the problem.

..............................Okay, hmmmmm.... I've beaten this topic to death, I'm sure, but the only thing I can think of at the moment is humiliation in regards to physical appearence.

I'm glad you mentioned this marieR19. As I was reading posts that was a thought I had too. I have known some very high functioning people among those with autism and downs. Hell.... some of them in either of these two groups alone are functioning on an even higher level than some of the 'normal/unaffected' people I know.

Also, great example there with the making fun of appearance..... I am with you on that one. We haven't gone there. I think it's one of those things in the null zone though, in our case. He's into humiliation but not on that level... not within that subject. I'm not every man's [or woman's] ideal example of attractive, and yet, I know that my Master loves what He sees when He looks at me, because He tells me all of the time and always has. So... it would take a lot for Him to convince me otherwise.

Hmm.. I think this yet another example of non-applicable as far as taboos go.
It doesn't fit our relationship.

 

[h_i_s]

Seems to me that some of these posts have blurred the distinction between taboo, which is a societal norm, and hard limit, which is a matter of personal choice.

.................

Oh, good. I thought I was the only one with this thought so far. Phew... I'm just as abnormal as you, in at least this one example.

 

[pinklypop]

Did anyone notice catalina and sinnocent making a new clique at the beginning of this?

 

[h_i_s]

Did anyone notice catalina and sinnocent making a new clique at the beginning of this?

Smoking crack is not a taboo for you, huh? pinklypop?

Uh, huh.

 

[FungiUg]

Do I count as an "old timer"?

I've seen these taboos discussed. I can remember threads about children, amputation/surgery, cannabalism... so I think this stuff does get discussed. We just tend to focus more on the stuff we enjoy.

 

[Etoile]

How we ended up over there in the downs parking lott I have no idea. Let's keep it on the road.

Basically....I want to know what each of you personally sees as your own personal taboo. Whether it be something you, yourself will not do. Or something you are aware of, have looked into but haven't brought yourself to "wrap your mind" around.
Then, after listing said beastie, please do me a favor and tell me WHY it's something you just can't get into. I want to look into the minds of those around me here in lit. That' all. Not looking for educational references necessarily. Just....your own opinions.
There MUSt be ONE person out there who's tried something and then placed it in their "never to do again" file.

*grins from the back seat and hopes for a good trip*.

• Anyone who is unable to make responsible decisions about sexuality. (Children 14 and under, probably, also anyone who cannot function without a carer because they are ill or retarded. High functioning individuals are usually okay, but it's not appropriate to fuck a human vegetable.) This includes doing things to/with them, as well as doing things in FRONT of them.
• Animals, because they cannot give consent. I don't care if Rover is happily humping away, I don't think it's appropriate to fuck another species. It's taking advantage IMHO.
• Autoerotic asphyxiation. I am NOT talking about breath play, I'm talking about the kind that gets you killed. Wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole. Sex is supposed to be fun, not kill you.
• Tickling. I have a tendency to punch hard when I am tickled - involuntary response, I just go WHAM. So that's a personal one for me...no tickling unless you want a split lip or a broken nose. It's not a hard limit, I can be tickled, but you should probably tie me up first or you're gonna get it.

 

[graceanne]

• Tickling. I have a tendency to punch hard when I am tickled - involuntary response, I just go WHAM. So that's a personal one for me...no tickling unless you want a split lip or a broken nose. It's not a hard limit, I can be tickled, but you should probably tie me up first or you're gonna get it.

That's a hard limit for me. The only thing on me that's ticklish is my feet, but I kick when people tickle me. Immediately.

 

[mickyp123]

That's a hard limit for me. The only thing on me that's ticklish is my feet, but I kick when people tickle me. Immediately.

cool..................tied?

 

[reignophelia]

Tickling! Oh I love it but I hate it all the same. Especially on my back. I scream. No amount of pain has ever made me scream the way being tickled has.

But dear me, it does get the motor running...

 

[catalina_francisco]

On a sort of tangent related to the discussions of animal/human pairing, science has produced hybrid embryos , and the UK are now also entering into similar research in the interests of finding cures to various diseases/conditions. Would be interesting to see where it goes. LOL, and of course a couple of weeks a go a Dutch researcher said we will be marrying robots by 2050 and possibly having sex with them....I sort of figured it wouldn't be much point marrying one if sex was not involved...imagine, you might be able to eventually marry your vibrator and cut out all the work entailed in making human based relationships work.

Catalina

 

[mickyp123]

On a sort of tangent related to the discussions of animal/human pairing, science has produced hybrid embryos , and the UK are now also entering into similar research in the interests of finding cures to various diseases/conditions. Would be interesting to see where it goes. LOL, and of course a couple of weeks a go a Dutch researcher said we will be marrying robots by 2050 and possibly having sex with them....I sort of figured it wouldn't be much point marrying one if sex was not involved...imagine, you might be able to eventually marry your vibrator and cut out all the work entailed in making human based relationships work.

Catalina

With robots in mind then, i shall paste this joke

The best engine in the world is a fanny, it takes any size piston, is self lubricating, can be started with one finger, and every four weeks does its own oil change.
It's just a pity the management system is so fucking tempremental

 

[INSIDEYOURMIND]

Forecast: Sex and Marriage With Robots by 2050
Tuesday, October 16, 2007

By Charles Q. Choi
AP

The 'Actroid,' a robot designed to look like a Japanese actress at a trade fair in Taiwan in 2006.

Humans could marry robots within the century. And consummate those vows.

"My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience.

Levy recently completed his Ph.D. work on the subject of human-robot relationships, covering many of the privileges and practices that generally come with marriage as well as outside of it.

At first, sex with robots might be considered geeky, "but once you have a story like 'I had sex with a robot, and it was great!' appear someplace like Cosmo magazine, I'd expect many people to jump on the bandwagon," Levy said.

Pygmalion to Roomba

The idea of romance between humanity and our artistic and/or mechanical creations dates back to ancient times, with the Greek myth of the sculptor Pygmalion falling in love with the ivory statue he made named Galatea, to which the goddess Venus eventually granted life.

Japanese Robot Gives Facial Massages.
Roomba Owners Get Deeply Attached to Robots
Bio-Mechanical Love This notion persists in modern times. Not only has science fiction explored this idea, but 40 years ago, scientists noticed that students at times became unusually attracted to ELIZA, a computer program designed to ask questions and mimic a psychotherapist..

"There's a trend of robots becoming more human-like in appearance and coming more in contact with humans," Levy said. "At first robots were used impersonally, in factories where they helped build automobiles, for instance. Then they were used in offices to deliver mail, or to show visitors around museums, or in homes as vacuum cleaners, such as with the Roomba. Now you have robot toys, like Sony's Aibo robot dog, or Tickle Me Elmos, or digital pets like Tamagotchis."

In his thesis, "Intimate Relationships with Artificial Partners," Levy conjectures that robots will become so human-like in appearance, function and personality that many people will fall in love with them, have sex with them and even marry them.

"It may sound a little weird, but it isn't," Levy said. "Love and sex with robots are inevitable."

Sex in 5 years

Levy argues that psychologists have identified roughly a dozen basic reasons why people fall in love, "and almost all of them could apply to human-robot relationships. For instance, one thing that prompts people to fall in love are similarities in personality and knowledge, and all of this is programmable. Another reason people are more likely to fall in love is if they know the other person likes them, and that's programmable too."

In 2006, Henrik Christensen, founder of the European Robotics Research Network, predicted that people will be having sex with robots within five years, and Levy thinks that's quite likely.

There are companies that already sell realistic sex dolls, "and it's just a matter of adding some electronics to them to add some vibration," he said, or endowing the robots with a few audio responses. "That's fairly primitive in terms of robotics, but the technology is already there."

As software becomes more advanced and the relationship between humans and robots becomes more personal, marriage could result.

"One hundred years ago, interracial marriage and same-sex marriages were illegal in the United States. Interracial marriage has been legal now for 50 years, and same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the states," Levy said. "There has been this trend in marriage where each partner gets to make their own choice of who they want to be with."

"The question is not if this will happen, but when," Levy said. "I am convinced the answer is much earlier than you think."

When and where it'll happen

Levy predicts Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize human-robot marriage.

"Massachusetts is more liberal than most other jurisdictions in the United States and has been at the forefront of same-sex marriage," Levy said. "There's also a lot of high-tech research there at places like MIT."

Although roboticist Ronald Arkin at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta does not think human-robot marriages will be legal anywhere by 2050, "anything's possible. And just because it's not legal doesn't mean people won't try it," he told LiveScience.

"Humans are very unusual creatures," Arkin said. "If you ask me if every human will want to marry a robot, my answer is probably not. But will there be a subset of people? There are people ready right now to marry sex toys."

The main benefit of human-robot marriage could be to make people who otherwise could not get married happier, "people who find it hard to form relationships, because they are extremely shy, or have psychological problems, or are just plain ugly or have unpleasant personalities," Levy said. "Of course, such people who completely give up the idea of forming relationships with other people are going to be few and far between, but they will be out there."

Ethical questions

The possibility of sex with robots could prove a mixed bag for humanity. For instance, robot sex could provide an outlet for criminal sexual urges.

"If you have pedophiles and you let them use a robotic child, will that reduce the incidence of them abusing real children, or will it increase it?" Arkin asked. "I don't think anyone has the answers for that yet — that's where future research needs to be done."

Keeping a robot for sex could reduce human prostitution and the problems that come with it.

However, "in a marriage or other relationship, one partner could be jealous or consider it infidelity if the other used a robot," Levy said. "But who knows, maybe some other relationships could welcome a robot. Instead of a woman saying, 'Darling, not tonight, I have a headache,' you could get 'Darling, I have a headache, why not use your robot?'"

Arkin noted that "if we allow robots to become a part of everyday life and bond with them, we'll have to ask questions about what's going to happen to our social fabric. How will they change humanity and civilization? I don't have any answers, but I think it's something we need to study. There's a real potential for intimacy here, where humans become psychologically and emotionally attached to these devices in ways we wouldn't to a vibrator."

Levy is currently writing a paper on the ethical treatment of robots. When it comes to sex and love with robots, "the ethical issues on how to treat them are something we'll have to consider very seriously, and they're very complicated issues," Levy said.

Levy successfully defended his thesis Oct. 11.

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[twysted73]

LOL, well see, if you have a taboo thread, statements such as yours 'in terms of xyz it is obviously not in the discussion as it creeps me out' not only contradicts the theme of taboo discussion, but also expects everyone finds the same things off limits which gets very frustrating in certain arenas as communication is then not as clear as it should be. Everyone is different, everyone will have different limits to our own, and what is taboo to you might be a walk in the park for me or someone else.

Catalina

True. By placing limits it's contradicts a "limitless thread". But, realistically, should there not be atleast one thing we shouldn't discuss for humanity's sake? (kids)

As for anything else people wish to share in here, I encourage expression. rainbow, snuff, breath play, blood and fluids, red wings, (white wings?...shivers a little) pets, plush, Gor, CBT, the list goes on.
I just hoped to get people talking about what they couldn't bring themselves to do (at this moment atleast) and share a little as to why. I enjoy the insights of others. That's my true reason for this thread. Insight and sharing.

 

[catalina_francisco]

True. By placing limits it's contradicts a "limitless thread". But, realistically, should there not be atleast one thing we shouldn't discuss for humanity's sake? (kids)

As for anything else people wish to share in here, I encourage expression. rainbow, snuff, breath play, blood and fluids, red wings, (white wings?...shivers a little) pets, plush, Gor, CBT, the list goes on.
I just hoped to get people talking about what they couldn't bring themselves to do (at this moment atleast) and share a little as to why. I enjoy the insights of others. That's my true reason for this thread. Insight and sharing.

My post was more in relation to the assumption people make that certain things are off limits to everyone because that is how they feel...it can be a dangerous assumption to make, not to mention subjective, but one I see often.

Also as I said before, what we might consider taboo is not taboo in a different culture...and as our cultures are becoming more mixed these days, it is not as simple, cut and dried as it once was. Intimacy and sexual encounters between relatives and also adults and children is quite common and acceptable in quite a few cultures, It doesn't interest me personally, but shows how thinking inside our own boxes can limit our understanding and experience of the world.

Catalina