The "Under 18" Rule

[Epmd607]

This topic spiked my thoughts, and I decided to try and figure out why I have a 'incest fetish' if you will. My girlfriend and I spoke at length about it, and we came up with a theory. The Romeo and Juliet theory.

Basically, all the stories I write or read or whatever that are incest (with one notabble exception where it was done as a twist in the story), the underlying theme is "forbidden love". That is, in much the same way that the Capulets and the Montague were 'forbidden loves', clearly in incest stories they are forbidden loves. I enjoy seeing the set up of how it came to be, how they overcome the society norm etc.

It's a nice theory I guess. Still, at least I'm not a furry!

Incest is a lightweight taboo, it's not as dangerous as sexualizing rape/beasti/pedo/necro/cannibalism. Besides for the kink value, a cousin, sister, parent, already has a built-in intimacy with you. You don't have to put yourself out there and meet someone new. I think people read incest stories more for the dirty kink value, but I'm saying there's also the aspect of super-intimacy.

I don't have moral objections to any kind of story, I've moral objections to actions. The only story I'd be against would be one that was meant to threaten/intimidate someone in real life. Like describing the rape and murder of someone then sending it to them.

 

[CJMasterson]

Incest is a lightweight taboo, it's not as dangerous as sexualizing rape/beasti/pedo/necro/cannibalism. Besides for the kink value, a cousin, sister, parent, already has a built-in intimacy with you. You don't have to put yourself out there and meet someone new. I think people read incest stories more for the dirty kink value, but I'm saying there's also the aspect of super-intimacy.

I don't have moral objections to any kind of story, I've moral objections to actions. The only story I'd be against would be one that was meant to threaten/intimidate someone in real life. Like describing the rape and murder of someone then sending it to them.

Which would be the very reason behind banning them here, I would assume.

 

[CWatson]

Young and vulnerable all the way up to legal age

Also, that I have to disagree with. I'm writing a story about that very idea (or trying to), and about the weird societal double-standards we have in play... But the truth is that most women don't wait until legal age (which torpedoes the story to begin with). In America--I have misplaced the study, unfortunately; I should really bookmark it--in America, the average age of virginity loss is 17.

 

[Epmd607]

Also, that I have to disagree with. I'm writing a story about that very idea (or trying to), and about the weird societal double-standards we have in play... But the truth is that most women don't wait until legal age (which torpedoes the story to begin with). In America--I have misplaced the study, unfortunately; I should really bookmark it--in America, the average age of virginity loss is 17.

I heard 16 for american girlies and 18 for american boys. -But don't quote me on that. In anthropology world we think -- is it because girls hit puberty around 12(menarche) and boys around 14(spermarche/not first ejac, point where sperm production can produce offspring)? That's never been sufficiently answered. I'll write a porno story exploring that.

 

[ples]

A nineteen-year-old girl is one of the least submissive creatures from what I've seen.

You've never been at a frat party before classes begin - it's like a stocked fishing pond of 18 and 19 year olds

 

[Epmd607]

You've never been at a frat party before classes begin - it's like a stocked fishing pond of 18 and 19 year olds

Random sex isn't submission. They don't become submissive until they wanna get married.

 

[ples]

Also, that I have to disagree with. I'm writing a story about that very idea (or trying to), and about the weird societal double-standards we have in play... But the truth is that most women don't wait until legal age (which torpedoes the story to begin with). In America--I have misplaced the study, unfortunately; I should really bookmark it--in America, the average age of virginity loss is 17.

17 is the reported age according to Durex. However, Lit comments are normally well below 17 years old. My comments are directed to the unfortunate attraction to 14 and 15 year old girls. An attraction that carries over to barely legal. Just because a guy can get a immature girl to do something does not make it right - look at Girls Gone Wild.

 

[Epmd607]

17 is the reported age according to Durex. However, Lit comments are normally well below 17 years old. My comments are directed to the unfortunate attraction to 14 and 15 year old girls. An attraction that carries over to barely legal. Just because a guy can get a immature girl to do something does not make it right - look at Girls Gone Wild.

Does it say 17 is the average age americans lose their virginity or does is specify it's american girls? Because I think seventeen is the avg age, but it's 18 for bros and 16 for girls. Say you were currently an average high school guy and your chick was an average high school girl, then we'd have stat rape on our hands up here in New York State.

 

[CWatson]

As I recall, it was 17 for girls and 17.## for guys--if ples found the Durex report then s/he'll be able to quote it better than I.

And ples, yes, you're right, the average age Here On Literotica is lower than the average age for All Americans Everywhere. This is because the polls on Literotica only include people who are are on Literotica, who are--in general--sex-positive. Whereas the Everywhere In America includes not just us but also people who are repressed, or wait until marriage, or are late bloomers, and or are (like me) just losers. A poll about how many women have achieved orgasm would be similarly skewed. Demographics matter.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

... the average age Here On Literotica is lower than the average age for All Americans Everywhere. This is because the polls on Literotica only include people who are are on Literotica, who are--in general--sex-positive. Whereas the Everywhere In America includes not just us but also people who are repressed, or wait until marriage, or are late bloomers, and or are (like me) just losers. A poll about how many women have achieved orgasm would be similarly skewed. Demographics matter. ...

So do the lies that people tell to researchers, especially about 'personal' matters. To take a simple example, a poll which asked a validated stratified random sample of UK residents for approximate salaries and then multiplied up the answers from sample size to national totals found that in total UK residents were earning some 10% more than the national GDP!

And when did you last meet a male who didn't claim to have had more than one virgin?

 

[Epmd607]

And when did you last meet a male who didn't claim to have had more than one virgin?

As much as a male likes claiming a virginity a female likes bestowing a new virginity for a new favorite male.

 

[snoopercharmbrights]

As much as a male likes claiming a virginity a female likes bestowing a new virginity for a new favorite male.

I realise that - but my point was that it messes up the statistics on surveys.

 

[Epmd607]

I realise that - but my point was that it messes up the statistics on surveys.

That's interesting though, maybe the female's willingness to bestow multiple virginities compensates for the male's eagerness in claiming them. Same might be said for male's unusually high number of sexual partners vs. female's under reporting of sexual partners. Maybe there's a golden mean between male and female sexuality. Do gays under or over report? These statistics and studies probably already exist. Statistics about data gathering is more interesting than any study about 'How many blue eyed women go down on brown eyed men?'

 

[CWatson]

And when did you last meet a male who didn't claim to have had more than one virgin?

Hi.

 

[York]

I've seen a story in Lit that involved sex with a seventeen year old. The story was based in a country where the age of consent is lower than eighteen. It's sixteen here in the UK (not where the story I'm talking about is based). Can't see the problem with it and certainly can't see the issue if the story's based in a country where it's perfectly legal.

You can write about forced sex and incest, but not about two people having consentual sex at a legal age.

I've never had sex with a virgin.

 

[Revere2]

my question is this, with the rule of age in place, does a non-erotic story still have to only include only ages of 18 and older?
I understand the sex and underage thing, but what about no sex and underage with regards to the Literotica rule?

 

[John Doe]

my question is this, with the rule of age in place, does a non-erotic story still have to only include only ages of 18 and older?
I understand the sex and underage thing, but what about no sex and underage with regards to the Literotica rule?

Pedo.

 

[mysterydrink]

Pedo.

Even if he was, at least he's not wanted for seven counts of rape in Kansas.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/kansas_says_john_doe_rape_warrants_need_to_be_more_specific/

Less judgement, more turning-yourself-in, please. :-D

 

[Laurel]

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=2151906

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[CWatson]

Hi Laurel. We you.

 

[Laurel]

I love you all, too!

 

[Laurel]

my question is this, with the rule of age in place, does a non-erotic story still have to only include only ages of 18 and older?
I understand the sex and underage thing, but what about no sex and underage with regards to the Literotica rule?

You can have underage people in stories, even in the erotic categories. Many characters in stories have children, younger family members, etc. who are part of the plot. However, they cannot be involved in sexual activity in any way - including (but not limited to) voyeurism (watching others have sex), exhibitionism (being watched), masturbation, and of course actual sex.

 

[Revere2]

Thank your for the clarification on this.

 

[jtuf]

USA law is stricter for digital content

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The age of consent in the USA is set by each State. In some states it is as low as 14 (See http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm). The Lit rule is just that, a rule set by the owners of this site as to what they allow on their site.

The laws in many USA states are stricter for digital content than for actual sex. Many states consider both the age of the partners and the age gap between the partners. They have "romeo and juliet" clauses that permit high school students with the same age to hook up. However, child porn laws have no such clause. In many states, if two 17 year olds have sex in private, it is legal. If they take pictures of it in private, they can go to jail for "producing child porn" even if they never show it to a third party. Anyone who transmits or keeps those pictures can go to jail for distributing or possessing child porn. Also keep in mind that federal standards tend to apply to internet cases in the US.

 

[sexymom]

State Laws Vary

I'm certainly not an authority on the various state laws, but I have read a bit about the "romeo and juliet" situation. The example of two seventeen year olds having sex in private being legal is not the case in many states. The basis for statutory rape laws is that people under the age of majority can't consent. This makes it nonconsensual- rape, that is- no matter what they say or agree to.

The romeo and juliet exceptions came about because we recognize that teens often don't use good judgment - the same reason they can't consent- but that applies to both parties. Romeo and juliet laws don't (at least in some jurisdictions) make it legal; it's still statutory rape. They just provide for a lesser punishment because the age of both parties is taken into consideration.