Things that Disqualify Democrat Candidates But Promote Republicans.

[Lazaran]

My point is that those who think they stand on a mountain top of purity are looking straight across at Trump.

Nah…

Democrats are mostly at Basecamp and the corrupt orange traitor and MAGAt "republicans" are at the summit.

I hope this is not a military analogy from you. If so it is not a good one to defend your point, as those on higher have a substantial advantage.

 

[Bn2f]

So that is a bit of whataboutism, that the Repulicans are much worse than the Democrats worse.

Scoreboard according to BrightShinyGirl:
Democrats = Worse
Republicans = Much Worse

Not a good choice for the voters.

Yeah, but no. Every 4 years we hear this and it comes almost exclusively from republicans trying to equate and excuse the many and myriad of questionable candidates they’ve put forward and then from the other 1/3 of the electorate that’s uninformed about politics but can always seem to hear the loud conservative barking over reasoned truth. Life is about making choices all the damn time that you don’t like: stay in bed or go to work; eat an apple or snarf the fritter. Sorry, but an aged biden now is infinitely better than trump at any point in his wretched, privileged life but especially now, today on 6/6/24 at 1:10pm est, and he’ll be even more so on November 5th.

 

[justmethatswho]

Yeah, but no. Every 4 years we hear this and it comes almost exclusively from republicans trying to equate and excuse the many and myriad of questionable candidates they’ve put forward and then from the other 1/3 of the electorate that’s uninformed about politics but can always seem to hear the loud conservative barking over reasoned truth. Life is about making choices all the damn time that you don’t like: stay in bed or go to work; eat an apple or snarf the fritter. Sorry, but an aged biden is infinitely better than trump at any point in his life but especially now, today on 6/6/24 at 1:10pm est, and he’ll be even more so on November 5th.

The ole, lesser of two evils reasoning.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Coming right up for @BrightShinyGirl as per order, one serving of dog shit steak.

Tho, we can agree on the rarer the steak the better.

Actual well-done steak is better than actual dogshit. That's why I vote Democrat.

 

[Bn2f]

The ole, lesser of two evils reasoning.

Yes. If that’s how you want to put it. Yes. They are exactly like the lesser of two evils. I hate cancer, but would not want to suffer a heart attack. Joe Biden has had the same amount of time in office Trump did. The accomplishments of both are not comparable. They’re both old. Only one got shit done.

 

[justmethatswho]

Actual well-done steak is better than actual dogshit. That's why I vote Democrat.

How well done is the steak? I am thinking so well done, the steak is dry as leather, near impossible to cut, unchewable such that if you try to swallow you choke on the steak and any nutritional value has been cooked away.

Enjoy your steak

 

[MajorRewrite]

Only one got shit done.

And the other shits in his diaper.

 

[justmethatswho]

Yes. If that’s how you want to put it. Yes. They are exactly like the lesser of two evils. I hate cancer, but would not want to suffer a heart attack. Joe Biden has had the same amount of time in office Trump did. The accomplishments of both are not comparable. They’re both old. Only one got shit done.

Both Cancer and a heart attack could kill you. If you have serious cancer a doctor may tell you the heart attack is the better way to go. Either way you are dead in the end. Does not make one a better choice.

You are correct, the accomplishments are not comparable, inflation, foreign policy, immigration/border, energy policy .....

 

[Bn2f]

I also want to note that I’m being extremely generous here by only sticking to policy. As a liberal who actually espouses conservative beliefs, I think it’s repugnant that this rapist, convicted felon, adulterer, abuser of women is even considered by many on the right to sit in our most esteemed office and representing us throughout the world. Well, but of course now, he actually can’t visit 37 countries as of now. He doesn’t even have a passport to leave the country. Disgraceful anyone supporting this and claiming to be a patriotic American.

 

[Bn2f]

Both Cancer and a heart attack could kill you. If you have serious cancer a doctor may tell you the heart attack is the better way to go. Either way you are dead in the end. Does not make one a better choice.

Ok. This right here, this deflection, makes me want to end my conversation with you. I can survive cancer, as bad as it is, for a time. A heart attack could kill instantly. Why does everyone here understand the plain and clear analogy I was trying to make but you? See. I think you actually do and that’s why you came up with this BS deflection.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

How well done is the steak? I am thinking so well done, the steak is dry as leather, near impossible to cut, unchewable such that if you try to swallow you choke on the steak and any nutritional value has been cooked away.

Enjoy your steak

If the choice is between eating a tough steak and literal dogshit, I'll take the steak. I've suffered through bad steaks to be polite, but I would never eat literal dogshit.

Would you?

 

[Bn2f]

Maybe you would choose to die from a heart attack today, but I would rather cancer ravage my body till I am just skin and bones just so I can live until, checks court notes, July 11th.

 

[justmethatswho]

Ok. This right here, this deflection, makes me want to end my conversation with you. I can survive cancer, as bad as it is, for a time. A heart attack could kill instantly. Why does everyone here understand the plain and clear analogy I was trying to make but you? See. I think you actually do and that’s why you came up with this BS deflection.

I see your point, though if you think about it, it is not the best analog.

About 12% of heart attacks are fatal. As for Cancer, depending on the type survival rate ranges from near 0% to almost 100%.

Someone I know had cancer and was told by a cardiologist that a heart attack would be a better way to go. I make humor of it, to deflect my anger. (Also of note, that happened this century for those telling me to keep things current.)

As for my BS, believe what you want. It is easy to point fingers (Though three point back at you) and cast shade on opposing views and ideologies with the opinion mine is right and you are wrong. The honest truth and reasoning is often somewhere between.

 

[justmethatswho]

If the choice is between eating a tough steak and literal dogshit, I'll take the steak. I've suffered through bad steaks to be polite, but I would never eat literal dogshit.

Would you?

I do not think any person would choose to eat dog shit vs a steak, literal or not.

Just because you dislike opposing views, does not make those views dog shit.

 

[Bn2f]

I see your point, though if you think about it, it is not the best analog.

About 12% of heart attacks are fatal. As for Cancer, depending on the type survival rate ranges from near 0% to almost 100%.

Someone I know had cancer and was told by a cardiologist that a heart attack would be a better way to go. I make humor of it, to deflect my anger. (Also of note, that happened this century for those telling me to keep things current.)

As for my BS, believe what you want. It is easy to point fingers (Though three point back at you) and cast shade on opposing views and ideologies with the opinion mine is right and you are wrong. The honest truth and reasoning is often somewhere between.

Again, I will accept this and say thanks. I take issue with your false equivalency, but for someone generally here arguing for the conservative right, you’re coming across as somewhat practical. I am very open to changing my mind about Trump. Give me something I can sink my teeth into and I will honestly consider.

 

[justmethatswho]

Again, I will accept this and say thanks. I take issue with your false equivalency, but for someone generally here arguing for the conservative right, you’re coming across as somewhat practical. I am very open to changing my mind about Trump. Give me something I can sink my teeth into and I will honestly consider.

Thank you as well.

Yet could you explain "my false equivalency"?

I am not trying to get anyone to change there vote. Just to look at look at all views and candidates history.

I am willing for an honest conversation, though, unfortunately this is probably not the best place for it.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I do not think any person would choose to eat dog shit vs a steak, literal or not.

Just because you dislike opposing views, does not make those views dog shit.

The Democrats are mostly honest patriots.
The Republicans are mostly crooked traitors.

The Democrats mostly support equal rights for women, black and gay people, labor unions and mass transit.
The Republicans mostly support racism, sexism, tax cuts for the rich, and car culture.

The distinction between the two parties is stark. Pretending they're equivalent is a conservative tactic to hide how awful the Republicans are.

 

[Bn2f]

Thank you as well.

Yet could you explain "my false equivalency"?

Sure. Gladly. You mentioned inflation, foreign policy, immigration, and energy.
The false equivalency is that those are just generalizations, and I know of nothing that Trump did to help those. On the other hand, I can tick things that Biden has done to help in all of those: the failed bipartisan immigration bill that republicans, on the advice of Trump and their own detriment, scuttle. This new executive order that many on the left do not like. Our economy is, by the numbers, better than ever. Better than comparable European nations. Our economic numbers were going down under Trump before the pandemic. Biden has encouraged the oil industry to take advantage of their leases to pump for even more oil, they haven’t, but American oil production is at all-time high. foreign policy is always tricky, but I believe it’s in our interest to support our allies. I cannot have a president who goes against the advice of our intelligence agencies and top generals and chooses to meet with our worst enemy without any advisors or American translators. Trump is a seditious traitor.

 

[Bn2f]

I should also say that I am probably the worst member here to spout off the intricacies of policy. There are better people here, including BSG, who are much better in describing policy differences and accomplishments.
This though is a collection of his many accomplishments and a favorite thread of mine:

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/thanks-biden.1556933/page-33#post-98880856

 

[Bn2f]

You’re probably writing a reply but I can tell you what others are probably waiting to hear. How did Trump tear up the Paris accord and give us something better? How did Trump make peace with North Korea? How did Trump give us better healthcare on day one? Why, as a private citizen, is he influencing Republican immigration policy to the detriment of America?

 

[justmethatswho]

The Democrats are mostly honest patriots.
The Republicans are mostly crooked traitors.

The Democrats mostly support equal rights for women, black and gay people, labor unions and mass transit.
The Republicans mostly support racism, sexism, tax cuts for the rich, and car culture.

The distinction between the two parties is stark. Pretending they're equivalent is a conservative tactic to hide how awful the Republicans are.

So I take it you are not on the fence then. Lets put @BrightShinyGirl in the D column.

I will give you the
-D for Mass Transit and taxing anyone "rich" (Include all those with jobs 40K or more)
-R for Car Culture, Tax cuts for "rich" (Again, everyone with a job 40K or more)

-Most trade union leadership donates with Democrats while most members poll Republican. This one can be called half a point each side.
-Honestly I think equal rights is also a wash. Though this opinion would probably upset you.

-Please explain how R, is sexist and racist.

All this said, with the unwillingness for an reasonable honest debate, continuing this is a waste of both of our time.

 

[Bn2f]

All this said, with the unwillingness for a reasonable honest debate, continuing this is a waste of both of our time.

I am highlighting this passage because I’m struggling to understand what you wrote before hand and would ask for clarification, but I’m generally disappointed with this here statement because I thought we were being cordial and exchanging respectful opinions.

 

[Lazaran]

So I take it you are not on the fence then. Lets put @BrightShinyGirl in the D column.

I will give you the
-D for Mass Transit and taxing anyone "rich" (Include all those with jobs 40K or more)
-R for Car Culture, Tax cuts for "rich" (Again, everyone with a job 40K or more)

-Most trade union leadership donates with Democrats while most members poll Republican. This one can be called half a point each side.
-Honestly I think equal rights is also a wash. Though this opinion would probably upset you.

-Please explain how R, is sexist and racist.

All this said, with the unwillingness for an reasonable honest debate, continuing this is a waste of both of our time.

Well, yes, you’re a MAGAt "republican" in sealion’s clothing, (a libertarian?) so any “reasonable honest debate” is a waste of OUR time.

 

[Bn2f]

If you could and don’t mind, although I’m a strong supporter of unions and I’m tempted to talk at length on race and sexism - I ask that we try and stick to your initial talking points that I’ve addressed. Energy, immigration, and foreign policy are plenty to get us where we need to go.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So I take it you are not on the fence then. Lets put @BrightShinyGirl in the D column.

I will give you the
-D for Mass Transit and taxing anyone "rich" (Include all those with jobs 40K or more)
-R for Car Culture, Tax cuts for "rich" (Again, everyone with a job 40K or more)

-Most trade union leadership donates with Democrats while most members poll Republican. This one can be called half a point each side.
-Honestly I think equal rights is also a wash. Though this opinion would probably upset you.

-Please explain how R, is sexist and racist.

All this said, with the unwillingness for an reasonable honest debate, continuing this is a waste of both of our time.

Republican sexism -- Roe v. Wade
Republican racism -- Voter suppression / opposition to BLM, DEI, CRT, affirmative action, "Wokeness".

You're misinformed about the two parties' tax policies.