Voting, comments discussion & philosophies

[PandoraGlitters]

I do not know but 1201 honestly I'd say being pissed about scoring or gossiping or whatever stupid waste of time crap people get up to on a porno board is probably not a good use of your emotional investment.

Supporting new writers by commenting and challenging is a fine use of your emotional investment. Good for you for doing that.

 

[HarryHill]

Yeah, thanks twelve oh, you have given me much to think about...I appreciate every word...let me buy you a drink

 

[Desejo]

you two may be talking about two different things, while I generally agree with everything you said, it is very easy to pick up aspects of a poet's art. poetry is establishment of a pattern and disruption of the pattern, there are patterns to these patterns, and so on, word choices, etc. if shown 3 poems one by Angeline, one by Desijo, one by Demure, my guess is i would be able to pick them out. how, both Ang and Dem are both linear writers, Des is not, Ang has better word choice than Dem. Dem is a metrist. the other two are not. they would have to camouflage their writings pretty extensively.

This is another thing I have been thinking about, and maybe the subject of another discussion or thread. Is it a good thing to have a clear "style" as a poet? And what factors make that up that style? 1201 lists meter, linear vs I don't know what the alternative is writing, word choice. I would add general subject matter (Demure and I both tend to do a lot with place, GM does history) use of form, rhyme and layout (Oneira being the obvious example).

I'm clueless when it comes to form and uncomfortable writing that way. While I would probably never post anything done in form (because it's not me) I think it an excellent way to learn and broaden skills - and there are elements that can be incorporated.

 

[twelveoone]

This is another thing I have been thinking about, and maybe the subject of another discussion or thread. Is it a good thing to have a clear "style" as a poet? And what factors make that up that style? 1201 lists meter, linear vs I don't know what the alternative is writing, word choice. I would add general subject matter (Demure and I both tend to do a lot with place, GM does history) use of form, rhyme and layout (Oneira being the obvious example).

I'm clueless when it comes to form and uncomfortable writing that way. While I would probably never post anything done in form (because it's not me) I think it an excellent way to learn and broaden skills - and there are elements that can be incorporated.

(Demure and I both tend to do a lot with place, GM does history) and funny I tend to view them as movies, how many different kinds of movies are there.
there is one by Demure, i hope to hit, she does a really nice trick, but a slight shift in perception (seeing it as a scene) helps the crucial line.

Your ideas are excellent, be an interesting thread.

 

[HarryHill]

Okay ... here's a different take (and one that is strange as well) I used tags in my last few submissions like the storys use. ie: social comment, humor ... Would it be possible to create a further set of catagories using this method to score.

 

[Neonurotic]

I've been part of PF & D off and on for 10 years and voting has been issue day one. At first no one ever voted then Evie said, "let us all vote on poems!". And so we did, then started the jealousy and back-biting, which has gone on ever since.

Personally, I don't ever vote. I find no value whatsoever in voting, even the ones who actually take the time and have a system. Sorry. I know some mean well, but if everyone doesn't follow through with the same system then it isn't an accurate measure of how good or bad a poem is. I value comments (well the ones that make sense to me) and have turned off my voting a long time ago. I also disallow anonymous commenters because I want to know who says what, whether I'd like to continue a line a of discussion on a poem.

 

[Angeline]

I've been part of PF & D off and on for 10 years and voting has been issue day one. At first no one ever voted then Evie said, "let us all vote on poems!". And so we did, then started the jealousy and back-biting, which has gone on ever since.

Personally, I don't ever vote. I find no value whatsoever in voting, even the ones who actually take the time and have a system. Sorry. I know some mean well, but if everyone doesn't follow through with the same system then it isn't an accurate measure of how good or bad a poem is. I value comments (well the ones that make sense to me) and have turned off my voting a long time ago. I also disallow anonymous commenters because I want to know who says what, whether I'd like to continue a line a of discussion on a poem.

If I comment and voting is turned on for a poem, I vote. I never vote less than 4 because anything below that likely can't be helped without major surgery imho. And I'm only willing to do surgery on my own poems. I give the numeric value cause if people have voting turned on I assume they want the "grade," but really only the comment matters. The voting system is arbitrary and meaningless but most people don't seem to get that.

And the only thing people have pissed and moaned about more than voting over the years here is the "clique." I think it's a pronoun issue: people hear "we" or "us" and they think they're being excluded from something. But what? Come here, post and participate and be relatively coherent about your passion for poetry and you're in. It's a big tent and always has been. There will always be those few who need to be reassured but I am here for the poems and I already have people in my life to mother. I might be able to help with poetry feedback but I'm not into coping with anyone's insecurities but my own. Just bring on the poems...and a few larfs now and again.

Oh wait. I am in a clique. With eagleyez. That's about it.

 

[champagne1982]

If I comment and voting is turned on for a poem, I vote. I never vote less than 4 because anything below that likely can't be helped without major surgery imho. And I'm only willing to do surgery on my own poems. I give the numeric value cause if people have voting turned on I assume they want the "grade," but really only the comment matters. The voting system is arbitrary and meaningless but most people don't seem to get that.

And the only thing people have pissed and moaned about more than voting over the years here is the "clique." I think it's a pronoun issue: people hear "we" or "us" and they think they're being excluded from something. But what? Come here, post and participate and be relatively coherent about your passion for poetry and you're in. It's a big tent and always has been. There will always be those few who need to be reassured but I am here for the poems and I already have people in my life to mother. I might be able to help with poetry feedback but I'm not into coping with anyone's insecurities but my own. Just bring on the poems...and a few larfs now and again.

Oh wait. I am in a clique. With eagleyez. That's about it.

LOL! Ange, remember when the inner circle wasn't broad enough to encompass everyone? Well, Lauren, Eve, Anna (I think) and you decided that you'd open it up to become an oval. I think ovals are great shapes and it's much nicer being part of an egg shape than to be a clique... Isn't that the annoying sound made by someone fooling with their pen? Clique! Clique! Clique!

And neo! You were the person that inspired me to turn my voting off and I have felt wonderful ever since. A comment is most rewarding and now, since I have anonymous comments turned off, I get few enough of those so when I do receive feedback, and notice I really appreciate them.

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving (which is a horrible holiday, first legislated way back when to celebrate the recovery of the Prince of Wales, soon to be King Edward V, from a terrible illness... (probably just syphillis or something, gone into remission). It was proclaimed a permanent holiday for the first Monday in October somewhere in the mid-20th century. So, nothing so apt as the American Thanksgiving, or even Columbus Day (this weekend) but nevertheless, I celebrate the bounty of summer with the fall harvest and roast a turkey on this weekend.

 

[twelveoone]

perhaps Poetry and this board are too pure and noble, for the likes of me
by Anonymous05/16/12

I will post as an anonymous because you love it so much. you are anonymouse amongst other sarcastic and pathetic pseudonyms. Your poetry is often brilliant but more oft than naught it is aimed at nameless people whom you believe are the horrible anon yet you post anon comments under your fake names all the time. There was a time I respected you, now you just make me sort of ill. The forum has improved since you've been gone. Adios, comotose
I have noticed that
and to avoid confusion
ha,ha,ha and HA
my next question, if true why bother?http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=806010

logic disconnect?

 

[Angeline]

LOL! Ange, remember when the inner circle wasn't broad enough to encompass everyone? Well, Lauren, Eve, Anna (I think) and you decided that you'd open it up to become an oval. I think ovals are great shapes and it's much nicer being part of an egg shape than to be a clique... Isn't that the annoying sound made by someone fooling with their pen? Clique! Clique! Clique!

And neo! You were the person that inspired me to turn my voting off and I have felt wonderful ever since. A comment is most rewarding and now, since I have anonymous comments turned off, I get few enough of those so when I do receive feedback, and notice I really appreciate them.

Happy Canadian Thanksgiving (which is a horrible holiday, first legislated way back when to celebrate the recovery of the Prince of Wales, soon to be King Edward V, from a terrible illness... (probably just syphillis or something, gone into remission). It was proclaimed a permanent holiday for the first Monday in October somewhere in the mid-20th century. So, nothing so apt as the American Thanksgiving, or even Columbus Day (this weekend) but nevertheless, I celebrate the bounty of summer with the fall harvest and roast a turkey on this weekend.

The Oval! A nice, warm, soft squishy place with room for er...all (yeah I know, but this is lit--it needs to be a Suggestive Oval).

I try to be kind and sweet to everybody who posts here (though, as Eve pointed out once, my halo has indeed been slipping). And some people are sooo needy. If you post a poem on the forum (or, more often, start a thread where you mention you wrote a poem and don't even post it or link to it), and ask for comments and then get snotty because they aren't all praise, I'm likely to be less welcoming. That still doesn't mean there's a clique, just that I don't have time for that kind of ego massaging.

Also, the other folks that have been participating on this forum (either consistently or intermittently) and I have written here together, in some cases for ten years or more. If I interacted with them exactly the same as I did with someone I first encountered, say, yesterday, there's something wrong with me. I'm not going to be overly familiar with someone I just met, but stick around and get to know me and I'll be more open and comfortable. So will most of the regulars here. That does not equate to clique or oval or whatever exclusionary state one perceives.

I got accused of clique/oval mongering a lot because I was a forum moderator for so long. As everyone here who has moderated knows, you have to like both pleasure and pain to be a moderator. There's a gravitational pull at you to be sucked into personal drama. Imo that's not good for poetry or it wasn't for mine, so I quit the mod squad. But I will say (and please don't castigate me as cliquish for doing so) that Pandora and Bronze are both doing a great job. The forum is livelier than it has been in a long time, and I think a lot of the credit goes to them for bringing new folks in and encouraging them to stay. That, and Spam removal, are the mods' real job. So thank you, to them both, for that.

~Angeline, Goddess
and member in good standing* of the Suggestive Oval.

*I paid my dues.

 

[Angeline]

perhaps Poetry and this board are too pure and noble, for the likes of me
by Anonymous05/16/12

I will post as an anonymous because you love it so much. you are anonymouse amongst other sarcastic and pathetic pseudonyms. Your poetry is often brilliant but more oft than naught it is aimed at nameless people whom you believe are the horrible anon yet you post anon comments under your fake names all the time. There was a time I respected you, now you just make me sort of ill. The forum has improved since you've been gone. Adios, comotose
I have noticed that
and to avoid confusion
ha,ha,ha and HA
my next question, if true why bother?http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=806010

logic disconnect?

I think your nobility and pureness fit right in.

 

[twelveoone]

I think your nobility and pureness fit right in.

actually "Your poetry is often brilliant" is the best accolade I got in a year. But then he may be comparing me to Kokshur. In which case "often" looks suspect.

 

[Angeline]

actually "Your poetry is often brilliant" is the best accolade I got in a year. But then he may be comparing me to Kokshur. In which case "often" looks suspect.

Well shoot I coulda told you that.