'Wasting' a story.

[lovecraft68]

I don't know if it's right to treat a story as good or bad because it's a matter of personal taste, but some stories just don't leave you alone.



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Exactly this.

 

[FluffMeatsStory]

Artists are sad beings. Narcissists who need positive reinforcement and constant attention. It's sad, but that's the engine that pushes them to create.

They can be, but don't have to be.
I love my day job, but I am multi-faceted.
For my story telling, being read is more than sufficient. But ratings and comments are a bonus.
I take joy seeing them read. The counts are feedback, but is difficult to rate as positive or negative.
A co-author and I have written most of a book. I was driven by the pleasure of creation and the hope it would get published. It's time has passed, and it's not published, yet I still count it as time well spent.

Creation can come from sadness, but also from joy, love, and other emotions. I definitely create from the positive side.

 

[lovecraft68]

And that's why I don't allow ratings on my stories—so that I don't become a whore.

This seems a little contradictory. You don't allow voting because you'd be a whore. I am going to take that in the sense you don't want to feel beholden to the scores. This story scored higher so you should write another one like it rather than something you'd prefer?

I could understand that, except you're still putting your stories here which means you want people to read them, and you do allow comments so you want to know what people think of them, and comments are like votes. If a story gets a lot of praise, you're human and will feel good about the praise so....how is that different?

I'm going to preface this next point with its simply my opinion. But being that you only seem to allow positive praise and remove negative comments, that tells me the praise does mean more than you're letting on, and you do have those narcissistic tendencies because you want people to see the nice comments on your work, but none of the negative, where as many of us just let comments and scores show as they may.

My philosophy has always been apathy. I believe that because I have never obsessed over it, the numbers come to me. I write for a variety of reasons, one of which is I do like to see what people think, but if they happen to take issue with a story, not only is it going to happen because you'll never please anyone, but its at times a mark of a decent story to be able to piss people off with it.

I knew my last LW effort would take a beating in score and comments. I posted anyway because its the story I wanted to write even knowing the reaction I'd get because I'm story first. Several of my I/T stories(a category I describe as soft and easy to please) go against the grain there with the content not being what they're used to. Some hit, some miss.

But end of the day I'm true to myself as a writer and part of that is the confidence to take the low votes and shit comments and role with them because I publicly posted something and people have the right to react and I allow all of those reactions. If nothing else it tells the trolls what little power they have over me, because as the Penguin from Madagascar says, I just smile and wave.

 

[lovecraft68]

You are completely wrong. Comments are not like votes. I told you this in private, yet you pretend you didn't understand. I am on a crusade against misogyny. I only leave comments from those I don't suspect of being misogynists, sociopaths, racists, or hypocrites. No disrespect, but I won't leave your comment either, because you meet all the definitions.
If I don't know you, I'll check your following list and figure out who you are—which leaves me with very few if any comments.

Most of the comments I receive are positive yet meaningless: "good job," "nice job," 5*, 4*, "I enjoyed it," "I didn't enjoy it," and so on...
If you can't spare a minute of your time, don't bother! I put weeks of thought into it, days of typing; my editors spent hours correcting it, and you spent an hour reading it—and you're not able to spare two minutes explaining what you liked or didn't like?!

I'm dying to read constructive criticism, but apparently, I'm nobody.

If you didn't like my story tell me what you didn't like exactly. was it the characters? the plot? the main idea? the dialogue? what?
Anonymous is of course blocked. The whole concept of anonymity is abhorrent to me. Why can't you register? It takes only a minute. Worried about your identity? Create a new email! It takes two minutes.

One of Lit's most respected writers emailed me minutes after Betty's Bet went public, asking me why I didn't allow comments. At first, I didn't understand what he was talking about, and then it hit me—the coward son of a bitch wanted to leave me an anonymous message. Whether he wanted to leave a positive message and was afraid to be portrayed as someone who sympathizes with my views, or whether he wanted to leave a nasty message—he is a poor coward!
How many of the anonymous messages are from cowardly co-writers?

Another honorable female co-writer wrote about Betty's Bet that it was just another misogynistic crap typical of the LW. She didn't even realize that it was actually a parody of formulaic misogynistic crap stories. I deleted her message to prevent her from embarrassing herself.

Some commentators enjoy cursing my female characters. I won't allow it. I love my characters—all of them.

Here's another frustrating example of why I delete redundant comments.

This is what FabGMx3 wrote about CuckRoach:
“I'm not gonna say that this is a bad story, because it's not, I will point out that this one belongs to the humor & satire category. There is too much meta-commentary in this one, the author put more effort in his note at the beginning, the breaking of the fourth wall, the unreliable narrator... that even if the whole point was to point the flaws of the BTB and RAAC crowds, it does at the expense of the story, the characters, and the conflict, or at least I don't really feel any kind of connection with any of those aspects.”

Another five different co-writers wrote basically the same thing about the structural failures of the story, and here is the sad explanation of why I deleted them:

In 1859, Dostoevsky was released from ten-year imprisonment in Siberia for the crime of subversion (he wrote about it in the Notes from the House of Death—a must-read book!) He was terrified of getting into trouble with the authorities again, so in 1862 he found an ingenious way to bypass the censorship restrictions. In the novella Notes from the Underground, he created a character who claims to be a loathsome and unreliable sick man. In his diary, he tells us things and then admits he lied about them. The main message of the novella is that man is essentially an irrational creature. The message derived from this is that there is no biblical God because we were created in his image—this was actually the first existentialist manifesto that had a huge impact on writers and philosophers in the second half of the 19th century.

I decided to use the same literary trick in order to convey a subversive message. The same beginning note that FabGMx3 mentioned was literally copied-pasted from the English translation of the novella!
The supposedly copious meta-commentary that he mentioned is only 550 words out of a 4300-word story. And it's not just satire, it's an indictment!
And apart from the indictment, there is still a story about Eric and Marcy—a story that I will develop in CuckRoach 2.0

The only reason I still leave the comments option open is that I hope that maybe in the future I'll be honored with deep and honest reviews—for better or for worse.

You didn't tell me anything in private, must have me mixed up with someone else.

Your motivations and style and constant use of the word subversion has nothing to do with the way the site works, its your way of writing.

What we're discussing is here, this site, literotica, and I'll just leave it with if you were as much of an artist as you think you are and just eschew any attention at all....well, either you wouldn't be writing publicly, or you would not allow comments at all, just as you don't allow votes.

Your long look at what a deep thinker posts are a smokescreen to cover up for the fact you can't handle negativity, and my point is proven by you keeping positive remarks and deleting all that for whatever reason take exception with your story. Then you say deep and honest reviews which is obvious are only ones telling you they like your story.

Not exactly deep, but that whole kitchen/fire adage comes to mind here.

End of it all you have been here a little less than a year and have 10 stories to your credit, so you'll have to excuse those of us who have been here far longer with more experience and in much bigger sample sizes for pretty much rolling our eyes at you.

You're simply thin skinned and proved it in your other thread.

And to play on the title of this thread, these are the last words I'll waste on you. You're here to be argumentative, talk down to people, and trying to act superior....on a free smut site.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Well, that's enough about me. Can we now talk about me?

 

[SimonDoom]

I think whores are getting a bad rap in this thread.

If you enjoy knowing that others get pleasure from your stories, and you write stories to evoke that pleasure, bully for you. There's no cause for belittling authors who write for those purposes. Let's face it, over 90% of the fiction books that are actually sold fall into this category. Genre fiction that hits the same buttons over and over, and readers love it. It's not great art, but not everybody is out to create great art, not everybody wants to read great art, and that's just fine.

I write for a multitude of purposes, and my stories range from "weird and personal" to "striving for some degree of quality" to "hell yes, I'm going for the numbers on this one." Every single one has been enjoyable, and I regret nothing. I've had people tell me my stuff is pure shit and I've had people tell me it's the best thing they've read at Literotica. I take it all with a grain of salt and have fun.

Plus, folks, to be quite honest, many of the authors here at Literotica who belittle others for "pandering" are not as good authors as some of those who account for the 90+% pander material that gets published as genre fiction. Many such Literotica authors could learn a lot from the genre fiction authors. A dose of humility sprinkled with some open-mindedness, along with a willingness to observe and learn from others, is a good mixture for an author.

People should write for whatever purposes they want to, without guilt or shame. That's what Literotica is all about, IMO.

 

[alohadave]

I decided to use the same literary trick in order to convey a subversive message. The same beginning note that FabGMx3 mentioned was literally copied-pasted from the English translation of the novella!

So, it looks you are okay with plagiarism when it serves your purposes. Funny how you trolled in your other thread complaining about someone doing it to you, and you outright lift whole blocks from someone else.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It's becoming tedious...

160 years have passed and according to the law, I can do whatever I want!

If you had bothered to check (a second of Google search) you would have found that I copied only the first two lines out of ten in the author's note of Fyodor the Great as an homage and as a hint.
I was hoping that maybe someone had read and recognized the novella, but unfortunately, it didn't happen.
Now I'm going back home… The LW community is blessed compared to yours.

If you credited the original author, they could have found the novella and read it. To expect the masses to know two lines from a long-dead writer is, I don't know, pompous.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

It's becoming tedious...

160 years have passed and according to the law, I can do whatever I want!

If you had bothered to check (a second of Google search) you would have found that I copied only the first two lines out of ten in the author's note of Fyodor the Great as an homage and as a hint.
I was hoping that maybe someone had read and recognized the novella, but unfortunately, it didn't happen.
Now I'm going back home… The LW community is blessed compared to yours.

You, sir, are thoroughly disagreeable person and only here for a fight. In one thread you claimed to be both black and Jewish. If your Jewish, what kind of jew are you, Haredim, Datiim, or Hilonim?

If you are black, what’s your skin shade, caramel, almond, hazelnut, toffee, java, espresso, ebony, or deep ebony? Are you some shade of russet, high yellow, lighter, a midnight black Ethiopian?

What’s your favorite Faith Holiday? 15 Shevat, Purim, Passover, Second Passover, Shavuot, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur, Chanukah (Hanukkah) one of the ones I haven’t mentioned?

Do you attend Temple? Do you respect your religion or is your Jewishness strictly blood relation. Are you a Christian Jew?

 

[FluffMeatsStory]

Most of the comments I receive are positive yet meaningless: “good job,” “nice job,” 5*, 4*, “I enjoyed it,” “I didn't enjoy it,” and so on…
If you can't spare a minute of your time, don't bother! I put weeks of thought into it, days of typing; my editors spent hours correcting it, and you spent an hour reading it—and you're not able to spare two minutes explaining what you liked or didn't like?!

Wow. That's more comments than I have total. I have three times the stories as you, but so few comments. I keep wanting more comments, so I can understand my audience.

If I were to delete a comment, it would have to be pretty bad, and likely attacking me and not the story.
I agree that I can't please everyone, and some will not like the story. I don't like all I read here.
A comment saying the story is difficult to read because my grammar is bad is a comment I will keep because it is constructive.
A comment saying I am a terrible person because the story lead is a terrible person is one I might consider removing. More likely, I would respond why saying I am my character is not a valid assumption.

I think allowing comments and ratings should only be removed if they are being abused.

You imply all artists are sad to look at. The mirror applies here.
I don't agree. Some can be, but I think many are happy and vibrant. I try to be one of those.
Enough about why we create. Each of us has our reason, and it may not make sense to another. It is the lot of the creator to not be universally understood. That's okay.

Enough about comments. Let's get back to talking about wasting stories.

 

[MillieDynamite]

She didn't say you weren't a Jew or weren't black. Mary asked the question what kind of Jew you were. Mary asked the color of your skin, and you didn't answer either question. But true to form, you immediately became combative, which proved her point that you're not a pleasant person.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

There are Jews from Ethiopia, India, and Yemen who are dark...

If I were a Jewish Christian I'd quote Martin Luther who said, "If you want to change the world, pick up your pen and write."

If I were you I'd ask, “Say at last—who art thou?”

And my pompous answer would be,

“That Power I serve
Which wills forever evil
Yet does forever good.”

Obfuscation, hiding behind your argumentation. O Tilan, Tilan, what fore art thou, Tilan? Deny thy self-indulgence, and answer plain and true. Shit, by any other name, would smell as foul.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Tilan, ikh hofn ir hobn a ongenem nakht, trots ir zayendik aza a anmitageytid tokhes.

 

[lovecraft68]

Looks like Tilan has come to infest your area, LC...

Its not my area, I just started the discussion, everyone's free to post where they choose.
Besides, the mod closed his thread and apparently he hadn't had enough of my sparking wit and undeniable charm

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

I wished Tilan well in my last post and added a bit after that. He hasn't responded to me. I can't imagine why? Oy vey, is he rude or what?

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Tilan is very frustrating; he offers personal information and refuses to clarify his statements. I haven't said he isn't black, and I haven't said he isn't Jewish. I haven't implied to not believe him in what he does say. However, he claims English is a second language for him. He won't say what his first language is. All I have asked him is to understand where he is coming from. But any direct question brings a question or statement non-related to the question, seemingly designed to provoke anger.

Tilan, shlum zal zeyn mit dir.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It is possible that Tilan is black and he might even be a jew, doubt that myself on both counts. What Tilan is, without a doubt, is a narcissistic ass of the highest order. AS assholes go, he is the crème de la crème of assholes.

 

[lovecraft68]

Tilan is very frustrating; he offers personal information and refuses to clarify his statements. I haven't said he isn't black, and I haven't said he isn't Jewish. I haven't implied to not believe him in what he does say. However, he claims English is a second language for him. He won't say what his first language is. All I have asked him is to understand where he is coming from. But any direct question brings a question or statement non-related to the question, seemingly designed to provoke anger.

Tilan, shlum zal zeyn mit dir.

He's pure performance art, and like all the trolls is an ethnic/racial/gender/sexual orientation chameleon.

Reminds me of Keith's original SRPLT name where if there was a thread about a shit eating contest, well, he ate the biggest turd in recorded history, and hell no, will he ever prove that fact, he does not have to!

Trolls, like stories, have all been done here before.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

He's pure performance art, and like all the trolls is an ethnic/racial/gender/sexual orientation chameleon.

Reminds me of Keith's original SRPLT name where if there was a thread about a shit eating contest, well, he ate the biggest turd in recorded history, and hell no, will he ever prove that fact, he does not have to!

Trolls, like stories, have all been done here before.

I didn't ask for proof, I asked him to expand on what he told us. Yes, his expansion would constitute not proof, but at least a modicum of knowledge. Even answering my posts, which weren't in English, would have at least given him some credibility as to his claim of Jewishness. He won't even take the trouble to figure out which language they are. Only two possibilities, nearly all Jews in Europe and America know two very Jewish tongues.

 

[lovecraft68]

I didn't ask for proof, I asked him to expand on what he told us. Yes, his expansion would constitute not proof, but at least a modicum of knowledge. Even answering my posts, which weren't in English, would have at least given him some credibility as to his claim of Jewishness. He won't even take the trouble to figure out which language they are. Only two possibilities, nearly all Jews in Europe and America know two very Jewish tongues.

Proof/elaboration/evidence... all semantics and various ways to back up whatever one is claiming.

My point is simply its a common trait of trolls to claim to be whatever they need to be. He wasn't black or Jewish until Melissa Baby called him out on a disgusting anti sematic remark. THEN he was Jewish as if to say "Yeah, I can talk like that too" probably threw in black in case he slips with the N word at some point.

 

[lovecraft68]

Consider yourself lucky.

Spoken like a true keyboard warrior.

But you don't hurt me, or anyone else, you're just boring. Anyone who has been here a few years has seen your kind come and ago. You all think you're special, then get shown that you're not. Unlike a couple from the past you're not even going to be memorable.

I think I'll pass on the victimhood. I let people like you play that card.

Meanwhile you already put yourself on the mods radar. Their patience for people bickering and 'letting them play' is pretty good because most here do contribute to the forum in many ways. However, their tolerance for performance trolling from someone who just wants to muck up grade school level shit is thin.

You do get bonus points for showing the class you're a racist in the other thread, hats off on doing that in record time.

I don't think the future's looking all that bright there, Teatime.

 

[lovecraft68]

Okay, sir, come with me. I'm going to need you to fill this out.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Sorry, not gonna waist time reading. You're not worthy.

I'm sorry as well. Sorry your such a worthless bully. Sorry you don't respond to blessing offered you. Sorry you fake both feelings and knowledge. Hoping you aren't black or Jewish, because you'd be a bad Jew and disgusting black man.


Tilan, zal zeyn shlum fun Got mit dir.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

And since you haven't a fucking clue what I said to you. Tilan, may the peace of God be with you.

 

[theWollstonecraftWoman]

Oh, I know what you said. You're just not appealing as a punching bag. He has at least a semblance of intelligence left

What a piece of work is a man! How Noble in reason! How infinite in faculty! In form and moving
How expressive and admirable! In Action, how like an Angel in apprehension, how like a God!

All of which is to say, you’re pathetic in every way and so, unlike what Shakespeare wrote. Still a work, a work of lesser than perfect. Not noble in reason, infinite in faculty, form, or movement. Not at all angelic, and certainly not God-like in any sense of the term.

Like a worm working its way through an apple, you’re something that needs squishing. Every human being has an asshole. You, however, are on a giant asshole. A real narcissistic, misogynistic, racist, Ass!