Lab Rats.

[MajorRewrite]

So “Rebel” is the standard comments alt, and “Wat” is the meme alt??? (and “Ace” is the retired alt???)

I miss the wacko staged “conversations” between his alts every morning.

(Just kidding. No sane person misses that.)

 

[Bn2f]

Taking this point first. Of course I take a cynical attitude.

More naive than cynical.

I've found that I've never been terribly surprised when things turn to shit and there are the occasions when I've been pleasantly surprised.

I’m no economist and I’m guessing neither are you but I can smell out a bs reply and this post is one. Things have gone to shit because so called fiscally conservative presidents have run the economy into the ground. Then democrats running campaigns on securing the social welfare net have had to put their thinking caps on and bring us back from the brink. Every. Damn. Time.

Taking one of your other points. I counter that we have prospered as a nation IN SPITE of a host of 'professional bureaucrats.'

Yes. Please seek out your plumber for dental work - the rest of us prefer inspected meat and drinking water.

Governments are necessary evils. They are net drains on the economy.

This is just conservative bullshit that sounds great in a bar between two drunks. Tell me of an economic system functioning without regulation?

But the fact remains that we need government. The eternal question has always been, "exactly how much government do you need?"

I need as much government to provide for life, liberty and to protect my privacy And it wouldn’t hurt if it could hold criminals, real government documents stealing criminals, accountable.

 

[jomar]

You got the rats part right. trump’s track record is to hire “all the best people” to head agencies and departments they are hostile to or are sorely unqualified to run

 

[ChinoMoreno]

Bro are you high?

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives

He's created more bureaucracy and intruded more than any other President.

 

[Buffalogurl]

More naive than cynical.

I’m no economist and I’m guessing neither are you but I can smell out a bs reply and this post is one. Things have gone to shit because so called fiscally conservative presidents have run the economy into the ground. Then democrats running campaigns on securing the social welfare net have had to put their thinking caps on and bring us back from the brink. Every. Damn. Time.

Yes. Please seek out your plumber for dental work - the rest of us prefer inspected meat and drinking water.

This is just conservative bullshit that sounds great in a bar between two drunks. Tell me of an economic system functioning without regulation?

I need as much government to provide for life, liberty and to protect my privacy And it wouldn’t hurt if it could hold criminals, real government documents stealing criminals, accountable.

First off bn2f learn to "stand" on your own two feet. You'll have more self-respect and feel empowered with your new found freedom
we don't need or want the bloated corrupt bureaucracy we now have with a jack boot on our throats that bullies the common man, rapes my bank account to feed and house the wetbacks. That sends my children to die in unless and costly wars all the while lining there filthy pockets with my money Soaked in blood........
Fuck the "social net".....there's an old saying......" don't breed'em if you can't feed'em"
The well-being of the world, or for that matter your well-being is not my responsibility
F@#K The World...... the world needs to stay out of my life....
Here is just one example of the shit they/them have no business in our lives... why do you or I have to be licensed and be taxed because someone wants to make "moonshine"? There's more but this example comes to mind....
Remember a license or a permit is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal.....

 

[Buffalogurl]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

Very well stated

 

[Fuzzy1975]

First off bn2f learn to "stand" on your own two feet. You'll have more self-respect and feel empowered with your new found freedom
we don't need or want the bloated corrupt bureaucracy we now have with a jack boot on our throats that bullies the common man, rapes my bank account to feed and house the wetbacks. That sends my children to die in unless and costly wars all the while lining there filthy pockets with my money Soaked in blood........
Fuck the "social net".....there's an old saying......" don't breed'em if you can't feed'em"
The well-being of the world, or for that matter your well-being is not my responsibility
F@#K The World...... the world needs to stay out of my life....
Here is just one example of the shit they/them have no business in our lives... why do you or I have to be licensed and be taxed because someone wants to make "moonshine"? There's more but this example comes to mind....
Remember a license or a permit is permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal.....

lol, who want's to count the Racism in this post....poor Buffy.

 

[Buffalogurl]

The government / authorities that preside over THREE HUNDRED THIRTY MILLION PLUS CITIZENS (rats?), and is tasked with writing / enforcing laws for MILLIONS OF TECHNOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL INNOVATIONS (that the private sector, left to their own devices, proved incapable of / unwilling to self manage safely / peacefully / responsibly) "surprisingly" needed / needs to be bigger than "some people" may like. (bigger than when the country was founded).

“some people” should learn to deal with it.

Side note:

It can EASILY be argued that DEREGULATION / GUTTING of federal oversight ("smaller government") has contributed to / resulted in the current disheveled state of affairs in the United States.

See also: The destructive effects of unregulated DOGE activities, etc.





Hope that ^ helps.





Also:

We. Told. You. So.

No, lazy, government is a fearful servant.... and a terrible master.... that every now and again needs to be cleaned out, .......kinda like giving the government an enema

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Very well stated

What was very well stated Buffy? Ish's failure to understand government? How about either one of you two go find an example of "real world experience" being better than "educational experience" when it comes to delivering Government services.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

No, lazy, government is a fearful servant.... and a terrible master.... that every now and again needs to be cleaned out, .......kinda like giving the government an enema

Kinda like Clinton did, he was the last President to clean the "government house". 350K jobs eliminated, and zero interruption or outcry....

 

[Rotadom]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

I agree. Trump's poor response to COVID she his complete failure to bring a new and promised healthcare system has made us lab rather rats

 

[Buffalogurl]

What was very well stated Buffy? Ish's failure to understand government? How about either one of you two go find an example of "real world experience" being better than "educational experience" when it comes to delivering Government services.

Fuzzy, go on and continue to hemorrhage money and time to support those that won't work or are just parasites I could care less be the stand up man and write a check for 49% of your earnings for the month, dig around in some of the shit-hole blue cities then give the money to a downtrodden dreamers...... we'll see how long and how often you do so

 

[Rotadom]

Fuzzy, go on and continue to hemorrhage money and time to support those that won't work or are just parasites I could care less be the stand up man and write a check for 49% of your earnings for the month, dig around in some of the shit-hole blue cities then give the money to a downtrodden dreamers...... we'll see how long and how often you do so

Red states are the least educated and collect the most welfare. You are now more informed by reading my insightful post.

 

[Rotadom]

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience

Lol! Fox News commentators and sycophants. The deputy director has never held a position of authority in law enforcement. The department of education is being led by a woman who used to pimp her employees to her husband. The faith leader (wtf) speaks in tongues.

 

[DeluxAuto]

That’s what the US public has been for decades going back to the Wilson administration. Throughout all of the bureaucracy “experts” were appointed, or hired, to direct the nations business. These “experts’ came out of academia, think tanks, were elected career politicians, or were promoted within the government itself. Rarely did any of them have any real world experience in the various departments whose activities they were being charged with overseeing. So they would hire ‘experts’ to guide them and those experts rarely had any real world experience themselves. They were public policy theoreticians. The political class put those theories in to practice and guess who the lab rats of these grand public policy experiments were?

We rats have been fortunate most of these experiments didn’t go horribly wrong. But we’ve continued to edge closer and closer to a complete lab collapse with each new cadre’ of wild eyed experimenters. The most recent round of experiments brought us closest to the edge since 1860.

Along comes Trump with a plan to get the government out of peoples wallets and lives. Unleash business by slashing regulations. It’s not a new plan, many presidents have jawboned about doing it in the past but NONE have gone about actually achieving said goal as ruthlessly as Trump.

In effect Trump is opening the cages and letting us rats out to scamper about the laboratory relatively unfettered. There are going to be some casualties and there is a group of rats still hunkering in their cages, afraid of the big bad world out there. And there’s the angry rats that were ‘boss’ rats of their old cage environment and now have no one to bully and molest.

I look at Trump’s appointees and what do I see? I see a group of people that, for the most part, have real world experience and are virtually ALL really effective communicators. Further they all have a great big Libertarian streak running through their political DNA and they all seem to be committed to carrying out this grand vision of less government and more liberty.

Oh, we’re still lab rats but we’ll be rats with significantly more control of our own destiny than was previously possible. But that freedom has a price and that price is the fact that the rat is going to have to take a great deal more responsibility for their lot in life…………..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

Ironic analogy considering COVID and measles are coming back, our poultry industry is fucked, and we have a worm brained anti vaxx idiot in charge of health.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

You got the rats part right. trump’s track record is to hire “all the best people” to head agencies and departments they are hostile to or are sorely unqualified to run

kakistocracy at its finest, government led by the inept to the unknowing.

 

[Bn2f]

Ironic analogy considering COVID and measles are coming back, our poultry industry is fucked, and we have a worm brained anti vaxx idiot in charge of health.

These are the f’in idiots who google search: I got COVID, where can I now go to get vaccinated?

 

[Lance_Castro]

"How much government do you really need?"

I think it’s like everything else; left unchecked people have a tendency to be wasteful until they decide to become less wasteful.

Ant & Grasshopper.

Changing tides.

 

[DeluxAuto]

No, lazy, government is a fearful servant.... and a terrible master.... that every now and again needs to be cleaned out, .......kinda like giving the government an enema

Would you agree to an enema performed by unqualified zit faced incels?

You fucking idiots don't even comprehend why people are pissed let alone be competent enough to speak intelligently about the issue.

Everyone wants the government to be less wasteful and have the bad actors removed. A Nazi with a chainsaw and his band of merry dipshits isn't the way to accomplish that.

 

[Rebel5soul]

I think it’s like everything else; left unchecked people have a tendency to be wasteful until they decide to become less wasteful.

Ant & Grasshopper.

Changing tides.

Exactly so. Since the late 1990's the way the national budget was set was by essentially adding 5 to 7% to whatever the previous years spending was. No individual Dept. budgets, no justifications, nothing, just an automatic annual increase of 5 to 7% without the supplementary appropriations. And that is what is called a 'geometric progression' and is unsustainable under any circumstances.

 

[Politruk]

..a healthy dose of ‘social Darwinism’ is going to be injected into the lab and some rats just aren’t going to make it.

You do no good at all to your case for Trump's way by ascribing "social Darwinism" to it. Social Darwinism is one of those Really Bad Things, like fascism.

 

[Politruk]

The bureaucracy has become like that nasty closet/basement/garage every one has that has become filled up with useless clutter.

That is simply a lie.

 

[Politruk]

Taking one of your other points. I counter that we have prospered as a nation IN SPITE of a host of 'professional bureaucrats.' Governments are necessary evils. They are net drains on the economy. But the fact remains that we need government. The eternal question has always been, "exactly how much government do you need?"

Trump promises to Make America Great Again. There was never in history a great nation with a minimalist government. America was not a great nation before FDR -- that is, not until we had the bureaucracy you are complaining about.

 

[Politruk]

Governments are necessary evils. They are net drains on the economy.

Government is a functioning element of the economy. It is not some kind of parasitic growth on the private sector. A civil service job is as productive and as contributory to society as a factory job.

 

[Lazaran]

Would you agree to an enema performed by unqualified zit faced incels?

You fucking idiots don't even comprehend why people are pissed let alone be competent enough to speak intelligently about the issue.

Everyone wants the government to be less wasteful and have the bad actors removed. A Nazi with a chainsaw and his band of merry dipshits isn't the way to accomplish that.

This .

/ thread

I would only add:

When have MAGAt republicans / "libertarians" EVER gotten or addressed the point of ANY pressing problem???



Their game is obviously to distract from the real issues of / solutions to any problem in an effort to advance their sociopathic agenda.



JFC

SAD!!!