30.3% Millennials

[Busybody]

Hypocrite much there bizzydummy?

fuck off, Mullah NIGGER

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So what forms of political organization are collectivist?



What happens to families and people under that type of economic organization?

 

[cowslinger64]

What a beautiful day in the neighborhood....got chased by FOUR pussies already today!! And it's only 10 am!!

 

[CandiCame]

So what forms of political organization are collectivist?



What happens to families and people under that type of economic organization?

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Collectivist_and_individualist_cultures

They tend to have more intelligent children, and a better social interaction and economy, but at the cost of stifling creativity and, if left unchecked, basic human rights. As I mentioned before, it was just a couple of years ago that farm labor was included under the child advocacy in the workplace laws. Before that you could work your kids literally to death and people did because it was culturally accepted. But if you turned that drive toward say, school, like Japan does (another collectivist culture) you get intelligent kids- who are still being worked to death.

Both are valid and good systems, but both are also horrible and worthy of disdain. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other. The bad thing about individualist cultures, like the city or the north (more liberal states tend to be more individualist while conservative states tend to be more collectivist) is that you have more freedom, but you take on more risk. When you have a small nuclear family rather than a large extended family, you don't have the pressure, but you also don't have the support. You fuck up, that's on you. And it can be argued that individual accountability is a good thing. But it also makes it easier to fuck yourself over.

So they both have their good and bad points. There are entire sociology classes on this one subject so it's not something that I can cover here. It kind of blows my mind that this isn't common knowledge.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wonder how much of that is the result of crushing student debt load?

Or just a simple lack of opportunity for employment worth the effort?

Shitty economy = openings for noobz go bye bye and the older crowd hangs on instead of retiring (forcing turn over). If you aren't part of the elite few with a very specific skill set/hook up then you didn't have a decent paying job as a 20 something. Much less a well paying job. That's the economic reality the majority of menials were born into....degrees working at subway living with the rents.

From the bidnizz side of things it makes perfect sense...you got one opening and a line of applicants. The 22 y/o kid who just graduated doesn't stand a fucking chance. Most of my peers that I grew up with that didn't wind up total fucking looser? Family bidnizz in one way or another....they got hooked up, they got a lil OG with it and bent/broke rules or they wound up some poor min wage sucker out here busting ass for top ramen.

Not in my day. You were expected to move out. I was told I had to be out by my 18th birthday. That's one of the reasons I enlisted.

Ahhh running to suck on uncle sams tit hua? Fucking pathetic there Mr.Bootstrappy I don't need no stinking government for nothing.....assuming your 214 says honorable I'm guessing you never took advantage of a SINGLE fucking benefit being a vet provides EVER.....riiiiiight??

 

[RobDownSouth]

Turning into? The south and the Appalachian mountain range has always been a collectivist culture. Individualist culture didn't exist until the push for the nuclear family in the 1940s-1950s. No, we're becoming more and more individualist as we progress and that's a good thing because I hate my fucking family. And I live in a world where I can do that and Eddie down at the general goods store can't refuse to sell to me because I hurt my mom's feelings and she bitched to him about it and he took her side.

But most science says it's bad for kids because the extended family rather than the nuclear family is better for their development.

But I didn't have an argument at all. There is no argument.

Technology permits a great deal of latitude in individualistic pursuits, but make no mistake, humanity is s collectivist culture. People like the chief crow loud and long about his purported "rugged individualism", yet relies upon others to power his home so that he may mount his internet soapbox, he relies on the public education system to educate his "daughter", and drives on government roads to get to the abortion clinics he likes to throw the occasional pipe bomb at, because freedom.

 

[CandiCame]

Technology permits a great deal of latitude in individualistic pursuits, but make no mistake, humanity is s collectivist culture. People like the chief crow loud and long about his purported "rugged individualism", yet relies upon others to power his home so that he may mount his internet soapbox, he relies on the public education system to educate his "daughter", and drives on government roads to get to the abortion clinics he likes to throw the occasional pipe bomb at, because freedom.

If that's directed toward me I stand by my "fuck my family in particular" statement. I'm not sure where I stand. I guess somewhere in the middle. I love the freedoms that you get with individualist cultures, and I like the ability to come home if I fuck up because I am a fuck up.

 

[RobDownSouth]

If that's directed toward me I stand by my "fuck my family in particular" statement. I'm not sure where I stand. I guess somewhere in the middle. I love the freedoms that you get with individualist cultures, and I like the ability to come home if I fuck up because I am a fuck up.

It wasn't directed at you. I was simply commenting in general about how even the most "rugged individualist" requires a village from time to time. I probably should have explained that better. Need moar caffeine.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I think a lot of this has to do with expectations. The younger generation (I include myself in that; I'm 32) come out of college and expect to have the same lifestyle they had at their parents' house. They don't take into account that it took our parents 30 years to amass wealth or comfort. They also don't consider that they worked shitty jobs for years before they made it to where they are now.

I hear so many people talk about their college degrees like they mean something. Some of them do. But simply having a college degree doesn't make you useful or marketable. Some degrees aren't worth shit. A friend of a friend went to a very elite tech school and got a degree in Latin. LATIN. Why someone would pay $100k to get a degree that isn't useful (when they don't have the money) is beyond me. I think there is an unhealthy expectation that a college degree in anything means that you can expect to make a good amount of money.

I don't think it is all about kids and their crippling student loan debt. First, you don't have to take out student loans to go to college. If they are living with their parents now, the could choose to go to a more local college (if possible) and live with them during college. Or, God forbid, take only a couple of classes each semester and pay your pay through college.

Just my two cents. I sound like an old man with a cane.

 

[Jennifer]

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Collectivist_and_individualist_cultures



Both are valid and good systems, but both are also horrible and worthy of disdain. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other. The bad thing about individualist cultures, like the city or the north (more liberal states tend to be more individualist while conservative states tend to be more collectivist) is that you have more freedom, but you take on more risk. When you have a small nuclear family rather than a large extended family, you don't have the pressure, but you also don't have the support. You fuck up, that's on you. And it can be argued that individual accountability is a good thing. But it also makes it easier to fuck yourself over.

So they both have their good and bad points. There are entire sociology classes on this one subject so it's not something that I can cover here. It kind of blows my mind that this isn't common knowledge.

I don't have any family to speak of and have supported myself for many years. None of this is my own fault but I am now penalized in family court for custody. They look at me, with no family and think that my ex, who is an alcoholic with overbearing, enabling parents, is more suitable because of family. It's terribly unfair. I worked really hard, put myself through school, raised a family and now I have to prove myself more because I don't have shitty parents around to help me.