30 years for marriage equality?

[Stella_Omega]

Something about "Prussian scion" sounds kinda... sexy.

 

[ottohauser1977]

Something about "Prussian scion" sounds kinda... sexy.

Danke. Well, in a clenched-fist, hard-core son and grandson of Communists way.

 

[PressNightly]

"Your ignorance really is limitless, isn't it? The "religious right" you talk about does not represent all Christians, There are many Christians that are democrats, some Christians that are pro-choice, and even homosexual Christians.

Yet you and Stella paint Christians with a wide brush, yet get offended if someone dares to do the same with the gay community. Yet, if you look at voting trends, the gay community is far more monolithic and single issue oriented than Christians are."

Not all National Socialists were Nazis, not all Socialists were Communist, not all muslims are terrorists.

All of these statements are true, as is yours.

But the fact is that Christians by and large have formed a political block in this country so large that the last 4 sitting presidents have consulted with them on a weekly basis while in office.

This is exactly why the founding fathers saw fit to form a wall between church and state, a wall which is quickly crumbling under the combined weight of the Baptists and the Free Evangelicals (among others) who have been using their status as non-profit organizations to fund other institutions with the express purpose of influencing the direction of this government.

This is not a Christian Nation, this is not the land of the god-fearing, it is a land of free men who are free to believe what they want to believe as long as they don't try to impose their morality on other people through the weight of law.

As I said before which you totally disregarded: Give me one logical argument that cannot be refuted which demonstrates why same sex marriage would fundamentally damage the fabric of society, with no concessions to christian ideas of morality, and I will yield to your superior intellect.

Untill then please keep your bronze age mythology out of my information age government, if you please.

For the record, and my story is fairly well known here, while I identify myself as bisexual I am happilly married, in a monogamous relationship to a fantastic woman and I have no personal investment in the issue of gay marriage.

I just hate seeing this country hijacked and steered in very dangerous directions based on false claims of 'religious freedom'.

Freedom of religion is freedom from religion, make no mistake.

 

[Safe_Bet]

And you better believe that the next Democrat in the White House will have a monolitihic gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender voting bloc behind him. And their families, which translate to a lot more votes than anyone can guess. Times are changin', friends. Many of us are learning that to find the "queer" in the community, they need only to look into the mirror.

Actually no Otto, they won't.

First of all Mr. str8 Guy Till A Couple Days Ago the political leaning of the LGBT community are pretty diverse. From a bunch of Log Cabin Republicans rolling on the Right to Joe Solonese and his buddies hanging with Barack to me & Roseanne chill'in with the Green Party we cover the political spectrum.

Secondly, weren't you straight guy who couldnt vote in Texas last week? What's with this "Us queers looking in the mirror" voting as a bloc for a Democrat bullshit?

 

[ottohauser1977]

Actually no Otto, they won't.

First of all Mr. str8 Guy Till A Couple Days Ago the political leaning of the LGBT community are pretty diverse. From a bunch of Log Cabin Republicans rolling on the Right to Joe Solonese and his buddies hanging with Barack to me & Roseanne chill'in with the Green Party we cover the political spectrum.

Secondly, weren't you straight guy who couldnt vote in Texas last week? What's with this "Us queers looking in the mirror" voting as a bloc for a Democrat bullshit?

Last week? Since when was that last week? My own sexuality is another matter. I'm still struggling with defining my own sexual identity. I've been able to vote since 2008. Get your facts straight. I did say that when the big state constitution vote came up, if I recall correctly, in 2006, I couldn't vote on it. I remember that. That was because I wasn't yet a citizen.

Bear in mind that I've been dealing with my issues for a good long while now. Hypocrisy, fear of exposure, fear of being somehow less masculine, fear of the stupid vice laws, etc. Marital issues. An alcoholic wife (that you choose not to believe in her existence is your problem, not mine). Guilt over leaving her and fear of enabling her. I freely admit that I have demons.

I'm not as strictly hetero as I once told myself I was, but I'm not an outright homosexual, either. I'm just somewhere in between....

And I wasn't talking about the past, but the future...making a prediction, that's all. I could be right, I could be wrong.

And if Obama loses, I'll probably get blind stinking drunk, and then go out to get more involved in progressive political activity than I have before. Then again, if he wins, I'll probably do those things, too. I need to get over my aversion to organized political agitation. (If you have trouble figuring out WHY I have said aversion, then you're even denser than I thought.)

Look, I have tried to be nice to you in the past, only to get rebuffed for no logical or plausible reason. That's your choice. I wash my hands of you.

Abschied.