49 million Americans held hostage by power-crazed idiot savant

[Guest]

*laughing*...........you have to admit people...........Amicus certainly has a way with escape posts. Tactical retreat has nothing on this one.

He lives..........to fight another day.

"Bye"........*waving*........."Y'all come back and see us again, y'hear."

Such a noble retreat, as well. G'bye, amicus the brave!

Colly - beautifully done. Logical, rational, intelligent arguments.

He had no other recourse except to escape to lick his wounds until the next misogynistic fray.

 

[rgraham666]

Well done Colleen.

My own stand on the source of the current kerfuffle? It's entirely a matter between a woman and her doctor.

Were I in a relationship I would work very hard to prevent pregnancy unless she wanted to be pregnant.

If an accident happened, I would like to be consulted on the matter, but ultimately it's her choice.

What do I base this on? One of my few articles of faith; that there's enough pain in the universe without me adding to the sum total.

Odd for an agnostic to talk about faith, but there are many things in this life that cannot be proven scientifically or logically. You have to take them on faith.

"No man is an island-" Much as we may feel and act as individuals, our race is a single organism, always growing and branching - which must be pruned regularly to be healthy. This necessity need not be argued; anyone with eyes can see that any organism that grows without limits dies in its own poisons. The only rational question is whether pruning is best done before or after birth.

Being an incurable sentimentalist I favor the former of these methods - killing makes me queasy, even when it's case of "He's dead and I'm alive and that's the way I want it to be."

But this is a matter of taste. Some shamans think that it is better to be killed in a war, or to die in childbirth, or to starve in misery, than never to have lived at all. They may be right.

But I don't have to like it - and I don't

Robert A. Heinlein

Although I don't like Heinlein as much as I did, and what he says here is a little harsh, as usual, what he says here nicely sums up my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Pure]

Let me add one post mortem.

Amicus claims to know of the 'innate rights' of human beings, fetuses, and conceptuses.

He's probably trying to say
"Humans have always greatly valued human life."

That's true in a general sense, but equally

"Humans have always 'taken' human lives-- and felt justified under a variety of circumstances.'

(Hence the commandment "Thou shalt do no murder." meaning, you mustn't kill where it's not justified.)

Indeed, "Human have always taken innocent lives-- and felt justified in a variety of circmstances."

Destruction of the enemy children has been a part of war from ancient times, as recorded in the OT, at various places, as commanded by God. Check out today's paper, under Fallujah.

Infanticide was a part of Roman and Greek cultures.

In all, life, its creation and destruction, are part of the large picture. The objective picture. To use Amicus' odd atheist vocabulary: both processes are sacred. {=especially important to humans--- of no concern to the rest of the universe, if you are an atheist}

 

[Pure]

As with the letters to the editor of many papers. (There's always *one* from these folks.)

I resent the hijacking of every discussion by the antiabortion crusaders.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Thanks everyone

I doubt he learned anything, his graceless retreat probably cinfirms that, but in the future, he may perhaps be foreced to tune down his misogynistic tirades about the intelligence and reasoning capability of women.

-Colly

 

[shereads]

Thanks everyone

I doubt he learned anything, his graceless retreat probably cinfirms that, but in the future, he may perhaps be foreced to tune down his misogynistic tirades about the intelligence and reasoning capability of women.

-Colly

You're being funny on purpose with that last line, right?

 

[shereads]

Every time a man masturbates to climax, he destroys the hopes and dreams of millions of innocent sperm. Each one carried the potential for human life, yet no one cares.

I say we criminalize sperm murder.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

You not only voted for a man who has done nothing right since he came into office, you gave him absolute power over all three branches of government. Perjury your right-wing ass. There's no excuse for what you've done. Keep congratulating yourself for keeping a "liberal" out of the White House, and the consequences to others be damned.

If a single conservative in this forum had read even one of the half-dozen books by Republicans who found out first-hand what GWB is all about and tried to warn you at no small risk to themselves, you would at least have made an informed decision. You chose ignorance, and voted appropriately. You should be ashamed of yourself for not wanting to find out more.

How many times do I have to explain to you that I'm not right wing? I've done so several times, but it doesn't seem to sink in.

I did make an informed decision. About 58 million other people made the same decision I did. You're simply re inforcing my point of Libs asking What's wrong with them? You're so caught up in self righteous hate and vitriol that you can't see what is going on in this country.

I'm damn proud that I did my part to keep Kerry out of office. I wish that there was a candidate better than Bush to be in the office, but he's a much better choice than Kerry.

You want the White House? Find a decent candidate. Keep putting up far left libs, and you'll keep losing. How many elections, House seats and Senate seats will you have to lose before reality sets in?

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Every time a man masturbates to climax, he destroys the hopes and dreams of millions of innocent sperm. Each one carried the potential for human life, yet no one cares.

I say we criminalize sperm murder.

I've had a vasectomy. Do I fall into this category?

 

[Pure]

So many tiny creatures lost

Somewhere I read a statistic about how many (what proportion) of fertilized eggs ('persons', to amicus) make it to implantation.

And of those implanted, how many stay on track and become a least 5 mos pregnancies.

All these casualties that the woman is often unaware of.

 

[Guest]

So many tiny creatures lost

Somewhere I read a statistic about how many (what proportion) of fertilized eggs ('persons', to amicus) make it to implantation.

And of those implanted, how many stay on track and become a least 5 mos pregnancies.

All these casualties that the woman is often unaware of.

And yet apparently are still to blame?

 

[cantdog]

When one of these churches holds a fuckin funeral when a parishioner miscarries, then I'll believe them when they make their exorbitant claims about how early they feel the line is crossed.

They never do, you know. They don't really believe it any more than I do.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Every time a man masturbates to climax, he destroys the hopes and dreams of millions of innocent sperm. Each one carried the potential for human life, yet no one cares. I say we criminalize sperm murder.

I've had a vasectomy. Do I fall into this category?

MASS MURDER




http://www.beavercleaver.net/smashballs.gif


Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathens spill theirs,
on the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed,
in your neighborhood.

 

[Pure]

Sher, looking back to the beginning, I wonder,

Where does the 'savant' part come in?

 

[Pure]

Sher, Virtual, Cant, Sweet, and of course amicus.

I'm going to start a thread on this earliest human sacrifice, so as to free up this thread for issues of idiot-savant-hood. Please drop by.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=290136

 

[matriarch]

MASS MURDER




http://www.beavercleaver.net/smashballs.gif


Every sperm is sacred,
every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathens spill theirs,
on the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed,
in your neighborhood.

I've only just seen this.............*chuckling uncontrollably*........its no good, I have to go away for a few and control myself....*laughing all the way down the stairs*. I know, I know, easily amused.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

That cartoon sends chills down my spine, not to mention other parts of me.

It's just too gruesome to contemplate.......I need some time alone.

 

[sweetnpetite]

The concept of rule by a majority has a corrolarry, as expoused in Blackstones when it discuses the foundations of democracy.

I paraphrase as I am not fortuneate enough to own a copy of Blackstones.

In a democracy, the job of governemt is two fold. It enforces the will of the majority, but it also protects the rights of the individual.

A stong case can be made that his administration wishes to follow one part of that definition zealously and ignore the other. In the case of their strong support of a ban on gay marriage, it would seem they not only ignore, but directly oppose the second mandate.

If that is the case, then a strong case can be made that this administration is not acting legitimately reguardless of the majority that elected it.

Blackstones is not the only definition of democracy. It can be argued that it dosen't apply as the right to marry is expressly reserved for Hetero couples. Another argument for another place.

On the other hand, you have a solid argument too, whining forver about nearly half of us didn't vote for him belies the fact that over half ot those who voted did.

Americans have chosen this course of action. In every concieveable way, the election of GWB is an expression of the majority opinion. The majority of voters chose him. The majority of states chose him. The defeat of the Democratic party and by extention it's social agenda was complete and total. He will now act with every bit of his power to enforce the will of the majority. If he does not, however, protect the rights of the indicidual while doing it, then IMHO every action he takes is illegitimate.

-Colly

And I'd like to add:

"For the people,
By the people,
Of the people."
(not just the majority of the people, but all of 'em!

 

[Guest]

That cartoon sends chills down my spine, not to mention other parts of me.

It's just too gruesome to contemplate.......I need some time alone.

Ky, it's not too dissimilar to what getting a mammogram is like.

Perdita

 

[shereads]

Sher, looking back to the beginning, I wonder,

Where does the 'savant' part come in?

His accent. Haven't you ever noticed that of the three Bush men - all products of Andover Prep in Massachusetts - only Dubya has a Texas drawl? It's pure showbiz, like the ranch. Pretty authentic, huh?

They say his French-Canadian accent keeps Condi Rice in stitches at the White House Christmas party.

 

[matriarch]

Ky, it's not too dissimilar to what getting a mammogram is like.

Perdita

*choking over my tea*..........thanks for the memories, P. But yes, you're right.

 

[Wildcard Ky]

Ky, it's not too dissimilar to what getting a mammogram is like.

Perdita

In all honestly, I am thankful that I am male, and don't have to endure the many medical and biological unpleasantries (like mammograms) that go with being a woman. Though I'm getting close to 40 and it won't be long before prostate exams begin!

 

[shereads]

In all honestly, I am thankful that I am male, and don't have to endure the many medical and biological unpleasantries (like mammograms) that go with being a woman. Though I'm getting close to 40 and it won't be long before prostate exams begin!

Ever wonder what inspires a doctor to choose that as his specialty?

 

[Guest]

Ever wonder what inspires a doctor to choose that as his specialty?

Bend over and say ahhhhhh.

 

[shereads]

Bend over and say ahhhhhh.

Or "ARRGGHHH!"
Depends on the doctor, I guess.