5 times the Obama administration helped Russia at the United States’ expense

[WoundedKnee]

President Obama was never shy about trying to influence elections.

 

[bellisarius]

President Obama was never shy about trying to influence elections.

To be fair, he's not alone there. Since 1948 there are 61 documented instances of the US interfering in, or attempting to influence, foreign elections.

 

[about_average]

Interesting that the author linked to omitted the response from Johnson for item 1

“We were very concerned that we not be perceived as taking sides in the election, injecting ourselves into a very heated campaign or taking steps to delegitimize the election process and undermine the integrity of the election process,” he said.

Off to a ripping start.

Neatly ignores the fact that if the administration had made it public the right would have ripped them a new asshole for trying to call the election in to question. They were already denying the Russians hacked the DNC servers.

Actually you DO have to do one or more of those things to 'interfere.' What the Russians did was attempt to 'influence' the election. Nothing new there, with few exceptions the Russians/Soviets have attempted to influence US elections since 1928 with greater or lesser effect. The notion that this is the first time is patently absurd.

You need to look up the definition of "interfere".

I notice you ignore the fact that they hacked voter registration databases.

 

[about_average]

President Obama was never shy about trying to influence elections.

To be fair, he's not alone there. Since 1948 there are 61 documented instances of the US interfering in, or attempting to influence, foreign elections.

whataboutism is always a good fall back position when you have no argument.
Well done to you both.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Yeah, speaking of that issue, for months now we've been hearing the steady mantra of, "This isn't Trump's economy, it's OBAMA'S!

 

[Luk]

Yeah, speaking of that issue, for months now we've been hearing the steady mantra of, "This isn't Obama's economy, it's 45'S!

There. Fixed it, ya lyin' prick.

 

[bellisarius]

Interesting that the author linked to omitted the response from Johnson for item 1Off to a ripping start.

Neatly ignores the fact that if the administration had made it public the right would have ripped them a new asshole for trying to call the election in to question. They were already denying the Russians hacked the DNC servers.

You need to look up the definition of "interfere".

I notice you ignore the fact that they hacked voter registration databases.

Maybe you should read the definition with more care.

I am aware that ONE states data base was breached, IL, with no change or deletion of records. I know that one precinct in AZ MAY have been breached via a phishing ploy. Again, no records altered or deleted. I know that unsuccessful attempts were made to breach the DB's at several other states. I also know that to this day there is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of this activity had any effect on the outcome of the election.

The people that are embracing the myth that the Russians altered the outcome of the election sound more like Alec Jones than Alec Jones.

 

[Luk]

The people that are embracing the myth that the Russians altered the outcome of the election sound more like Alec Jones than Alec Jones.

Twice? A little early to hit the bottle, Ish. I mean, has the sun even come up yet?

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[BotanyBoy]

You don't have to hack election machines, skew election results, or bully people to "interfere" in an election.

Yea...ya kinda do to interfere.

Skewing election results through shit slinging and exposing dirtbags for what they are isn't hacking or interfering with an election.

When done by a foreign government, inventing and promoting lies that others believe and promote is interfering.
Just because people are so gullible doesn't mean the election process wasn't interfered with.

No it's not, it was just exposing what a piece of shit Hillary really is.

Interfering in HRC's campaign...not the election.

Just because you really hate Trump and wish HRC hadn't had her dirty laundry hung up for the whole country to see, doesn't make shitting on HRC interfering with the election.

Additionally, they hacked at least 2 voter registration databases and they are most certainly part of the election systems. In fact they are as critical a piece as the actual voting machines.

Ok....did they do anything with the VRD's??

If they altered that than you would be right, they did interfere with the elections, but I've not heard or seen any reliable sources verifying this.

 

[Que]

whataboutism is always a good fall back position when you have no argument.
Well done to you both.

I love this fall back from the left: "whataboutism."

Every time the right points out blatant hypocrisy of the left they just simply pull out the "whataboutism" absolution card.

When called on your hypocrisy, either own up to it or make excuses for it. Don't simply say that your hypocrisy cannot be pointed out. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Calling it out is not the curiously newly necesarry for Dem apologists term "whataboutism," it is validly pointing out abject hypocrisy.

 

[phrodeau]

Wow, the RWCJ has been ringing through the changes of the "shit happens" argument all morning.

Meanwhile, Tongo Tongo turns out to have been far worse than Benghazi. But hey, shit happens.

 

[about_average]

Maybe you should read the definition with more care.

They meddled. The very definition of interfere.

I am aware that ONE states data base was breached, IL, with no change or deletion of records. I know that one precinct in AZ MAY have been breached via a phishing ploy. Again, no records altered or deleted. I know that unsuccessful attempts were made to breach the DB's at several other states. I also know that to this day there is absolutely ZERO evidence that any of this activity had any effect on the outcome of the election.

The people that are embracing the myth that the Russians altered the outcome of the election sound more like Alec Jones than Alec Jones.

Oh, there's no evidence they changed anything? That makes it all ok. What a relief. Whew!

Funny how much the right screamed bloody murder when DHS (I think it was) merely ran port scans against states' servers.

I love this fall back from the left: "whataboutism."

Every time the right points out blatant hypocrisy of the left they just simply pull out the "whataboutism" absolution card.

When called on your hypocrisy, either own up to it or make excuses for it. Don't simply say that your hypocrisy cannot be pointed out. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Calling it out is not the curiously newly necesarry for Dem apologists term "whataboutism," it is validly pointing out abject hypocrisy.

What an odd position to take, that the US has a long history of meddling in other countries so it's perfectly ok for the Russian government to meddle in the US.

But that's your choice and obviously the choice of many others.
I just happen to not agree.

 

[Hypoxia]

Did Russian gov't agents actively tamper with electoral data? The Russian Defense minister declared about a year ago that Russia was waging war on the US with "information troops" but maybe he was only bragging, hey?

Did Russian agents offer material aid to Team Tromp, which the Trompers accepted but didn't receive? That's a felony and it's already been admitted. Tromp kids are going down.

Did Russian agents offer material aid to Team Clinton? Has any evidence of such emerged? I don't recall that in memo discussions.

Does Tromp.Com have a long relationship with Russian money launderers? Is Tromp owned by Putin and his mafiya buddies? Let's see those financial records, Donnie.

Did Russians funnel money into Clinton pockets? Dirty money, not just charity donations that actually went to charity work, not like Tromp's illegal dipping into his foundation. Where do Clintons' personal funds come from?

What we'll learn: Tromp is owned by Russia and the Dums aren't.