A Challenge Regarding the Last (current) Administration

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

NEO

Youre what I mean when I talk about people and their fools errands. You play a game called YES BUT

 

[DesertPirate]

How he ordered his staff to handle the transition. Bush is a gentleman and insists his staff do this in a professional manor.

Completely unlike the childish crap from the Clinton group.

In spite of all the hate and propaganda, Bush still comes across as an honourable man.

 

[neonlyte]

NEO

You're what I mean when I talk about people and their fools errands. You play a game called YES BUT

YES BUT... when You are daft enough to confuse Burma with Indonesia, you surely can't expect me to take you seriously.

 

[neonlyte]

How he ordered his staff to handle the transition. Bush is a gentleman and insists his staff do this in a professional manor.

Completely unlike the childish crap from the Clinton group.

In spite of all the hate and propaganda, Bush still comes across as an honourable man.

Good point.

I thought Bush behaved with a fair degree of dignity over the shoe throwing business, Sarkozy would have had the journalist shot

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Hi Bazzz, nice to have you here.

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1. 9/11 I agree with Afganistan, not with the subsequent invasion of Iraq 1-0
2. Can't agree with the USA disaster relief - Bush had to be shamed into providing the relief and Mrs Bush Seniors comments undermined any notion of charity 1 - 1
3. Interesting point... I need to think about it. I get where you are coming from but I'm not sure that he didn't choose from who was left 1-1 (1)

2(1) Yup... except it was in Indonesia - so no more Tsunami answers 1 1(1) 0-1
2 (2) Nice... but not conclusive. The UK's Labour Party led the world in demanding debt relief for Africa as a mechanism to allow the continent to afford AIDS medication, that the USA subsidised the cost of medication was almost a given since the major AIDS medication companies are USA based, 1 - 1(1) 0-2

Aren't you being a bit picky about tsunami or not tsunami Actually, it was a cyclone in Burma.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/opinion/07wed3.html

As for the help in combatting AIDS: The best way would be through the use of condoms, but Dubya banned that.

 

[DeeZire]

How he ordered his staff to handle the transition. Bush is a gentleman and insists his staff do this in a professional manor.

Completely unlike the childish crap from the Clinton group.

In spite of all the hate and propaganda, Bush still comes across as an honourable man.

You're giving Bush a gold star for acting like a professional? Isn't that part of his job description? Granted, in the big scheme of Bush screw ups, perhaps he does deserve credit for not screwing up the transition.

The bit about the childish crap from the Clinton group can be attributed to propaganda, if you were so inclined as to actually go beyond the howling of talk radio to find the truth of the matter.

As far as Bush coming across as an honorable man, again, I think you'll have to mine talk radio to find that opinion, since in the rest of the world, and in the USA, he's seen as the most dishonorable president in our history.

I will give him credit for starting up over a thousand new medical clinics serving rural and other underserved areas, but that's sort of like commending a fireman for dumping one bucket of water on an inferno when the firehose lies on the ground unused.

 

[cloudy]

I will give him credit for starting up over a thousand new medical clinics serving rural and other underserved areas, but that's sort of like commending a fireman for dumping one bucket of water on an inferno when the firehose lies on the ground unused.

Don't even get me started.

Do you know what one of the more repeated sayings is on reservations? Don't get sick after June.

Know why? Because the medical clinics on reservations are so fucking underfunded that they run out of money by the end of June.

 

[Bazzz]

DeeZire,

Your point about mostly having to go to talk radio to get a favorable opinon about George Bush. That's where the conservatives live. Yet I don't quite believe that it's the rest of the US that considers him a dishonorable President just many of the network and cable news organizations and the New York Times, that's where the liberals live.

Unfortunately the media in our country, and probably elsewhere, has become extraordinarily corrupt. Talk radio has already started to hammer away at Obama while MSNBC and CNN get their last licks in on Bush. I think that these biased propaganda machines are a big reason why political talks have become political shouting matches over the past few years.

 

[3113]

"How he ordered his staff to handle the transition. Bush is a gentleman and insists his staff do this in a professional manor."

That'd be "manner" and while he's being so professional in the transition he's also signing into law things that Obama can't undo and that are going to fuck up his administration when he comes in--like giving jobs to people who are Bush toadies that Obama can't fire and, instead, put in people he feels are worthy and will help him bail out the country from the mess it's in.

In short, I think Bush's professionalism in the transition is a token gesture. It means nothing, costs him nothing. Meanwhile, he continues to do favors for his cronies till the end no matter what the cost to the rest of us--and to the incoming president. Real professional

No pudding for you on that one.

 

[rgraham666]

Actually, here in Canada and in Europe the media does a pretty good job.

The U.S. media, from my point of view, reflects that fact that the U.S. is a society at war with itself. And when you're at war media is used chiefly for propaganda purposes.

 

[john-the-author]

"How he ordered his staff to handle the transition. Bush is a gentleman and insists his staff do this in a professional manor."

That'd be "manner" and while he's being so professional in the transition he's also signing into law things that Obama can't undo and that are going to fuck up his administration when he comes in--like giving jobs to people who are Bush toadies that Obama can't fire and, instead, put in people he feels are worthy and will help him bail out the country from the mess it's in.

In short, I think Bush's professionalism in the transition is a token gesture. It means nothing, costs him nothing. Meanwhile, he continues to do favors for his cronies till the end no matter what the cost to the rest of us--and to the incoming president. Real professional

No pudding for you on that one.

Yes, I can hardly accept the idea of "professional" behavior out of someone who calls the head of Russia "Pooty-poot." That's the act of an 8-yo.

 

[ishtat]

The funding of terrorism by Americans in Ireland more or less dried up on GWB's watch.

Possibly it was largely caused by the realisation by Americans after 9/11 that terrorism is not entirely romantic freedom fighting but if GWB. is to be blamed for everything that happened during his period in office then credit should perhaps be treated similarly.

The equally vile Tony Blair extracted the commitment from Bush to stop Americans funding terror in Ireland as part of the price for his support.

It is also worth considering some previous poor performers. Warren Harding still wins my vote as the most corrupt but more controversially perhaps I think Woodrow Wilson's naive foreign policy affecting the settlement of the 1914-1918 war has had negative effects for 90 years

 

[DeeZire]

DeeZire,

Your point about mostly having to go to talk radio to get a favorable opinon about George Bush. That's where the conservatives live. Yet I don't quite believe that it's the rest of the US that considers him a dishonorable President just many of the network and cable news organizations and the New York Times, that's where the liberals live.

Do you also think Bush's dismal favorability rating is liberal propaganda? Get a clue, my friend.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Actually, here in Canada and in Europe the media does a pretty good job.

The U.S. media, from my point of view, reflects that fact that the U.S. is a society at war with itself. And when you're at war media is used chiefly for propaganda purposes.

The truest thing I've read all day- and the saddest.

 

[wafflemtl]

Actually, here in Canada and in Europe the media does a pretty good job.

The U.S. media, from my point of view, reflects that fact that the U.S. is a society at war with itself. And when you're at war media is used chiefly for propaganda purposes.

I don't know about Europe at large but let me tell you it's not the case in France since Sarkozy. Newspaper are owned by his friends and journalist are censored. He appointed another friend as CEO of TV France 2 and 3 channels (this is not even legal ). The only one that get out so fare (but with multiple law suites) is Le Canard Enchainé ...

So nothing to be proud of over there.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazzz
DeeZire,

Your point about mostly having to go to talk radio to get a favorable opinon about George Bush. That's where the conservatives live. Yet I don't quite believe that it's the rest of the US that considers him a dishonorable President just many of the network and cable news organizations and the New York Times, that's where the liberals live.

Do you also think Bush's dismal favorability rating is liberal propaganda? Get a clue, my friend.

The rating is probably accurate but it is largely caused by the manipulation of the news. Not entirely, but a large part. When mostly negatives are reported about a person, that person will be seen in a negative light.

Once again I will add that Congress's favorability rating is even lower or was the last I knew.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The rating is probably accurate but it is largely caused by the manipulation of the news. Not entirely, but a large part. When mostly negatives are reported about a person, that person will be seen in a negative light.

Once again I will add that Congress's favorability rating is even lower or was the last I knew.

"when mostly negatives are reported" it just might be because that's all he's got.

Garbage in, garbage out.

And yeah-- for congress to go along with him as much as they did, for shame.