America's place in word health care
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I think the quoted statistics are valid enough for the question that Bullet poses, or at least a valid start point ie: If America has one of the best health care systems then how come they figure below other country's systems?
Whether that's an economics question or a lifestyle question or a megabucks corporation 'dumping'* question is rather moot, but does give the various respondants the chance to answer in their particular field of interest.
*Dumping is the economic practice of reducing unit costs to a basic minimum whilst maintaining a high price in the prime market by offloading 'surplus' production at cost or less.
Which brings me neatly to my particular interest.
You pay high prices for drugs whilst we pay less. I'd seriously question this. The fact that we pay anything at all for prescribed medicines is, in my view, in my country, a shameful thing.
It is highly unlikely however that the price that our medical profession and NHS have to pay for drugs is anything less than Americans pay personally.
If we're talking about how much people pay for things in different countries then the first thing I would look at is gas prices. Which go a long, long way to the 'off the shelf' pricing of almost all goods sold in the UK. Obviously as an overhead cost.
I do think however, that the main question to be answered is a lifestyle one.
In Sweden (I think) in 1994 (I think) The number of 8 year old girls on the first of January, was exactly the same number as the number of nine year old girls on the first of January 1995.
What bearing this has on the discussion, I have yet to ascertain.
Whether that's an economics question or a lifestyle question or a megabucks corporation 'dumping'* question is rather moot, but does give the various respondants the chance to answer in their particular field of interest.
*Dumping is the economic practice of reducing unit costs to a basic minimum whilst maintaining a high price in the prime market by offloading 'surplus' production at cost or less.
Which brings me neatly to my particular interest.
You pay high prices for drugs whilst we pay less. I'd seriously question this. The fact that we pay anything at all for prescribed medicines is, in my view, in my country, a shameful thing.
It is highly unlikely however that the price that our medical profession and NHS have to pay for drugs is anything less than Americans pay personally.
If we're talking about how much people pay for things in different countries then the first thing I would look at is gas prices. Which go a long, long way to the 'off the shelf' pricing of almost all goods sold in the UK. Obviously as an overhead cost.
I do think however, that the main question to be answered is a lifestyle one.
In Sweden (I think) in 1994 (I think) The number of 8 year old girls on the first of January, was exactly the same number as the number of nine year old girls on the first of January 1995.
What bearing this has on the discussion, I have yet to ascertain.
matriarch
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Exactly.
Comparisons are pointless, because of all the different factors involved, such as environment, lifestyle, government priorities, available resources, finances, trained staff, to mentiona few.
CharleyH said:Having partaken in a study regarding this very thing: No, the U.S. does not have the best healthcare system in the world.And no one else's is particularly perfect either.
Exactly.
Comparisons are pointless, because of all the different factors involved, such as environment, lifestyle, government priorities, available resources, finances, trained staff, to mentiona few.
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Exactly.
Which is why Colly and I began to discuss sexual things instead.
Merry Christmas, Mat!
matriarch said:
Exactly.
Which is why Colly and I began to discuss sexual things instead.
Merry Christmas, Mat!
gauchecritic
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Yeah. Like you needed an excuse
sweetsubsarahh said:Exactly.
Which is why Colly and I began to discuss sexual things instead.
Yeah. Like you needed an excuse
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LMAO!!!
gauchecritic said:
LMAO!!!
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No, wait.
How dare you say such a thing?
Are you implying that Americans shouldn't discuss things of a sexual nature?
Are you anti-American-sexuality?
(Can you take a pill for that?)
How dare you say such a thing?
Are you implying that Americans shouldn't discuss things of a sexual nature?
Are you anti-American-sexuality?
(Can you take a pill for that?)
matriarch
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I noticed, I was getting quite interested in the 'diving' topic, until it was changed back. *sigh*.
Merry Christmas Sarah.
sweetsubsarahh said:Exactly.
Which is why Colly and I began to discuss sexual things instead.
Merry Christmas, Mat!
I noticed, I was getting quite interested in the 'diving' topic, until it was changed back. *sigh*.
Merry Christmas Sarah.
Colleen Thomas
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With Sarahh?
Not hardly
gauchecritic said:
With Sarahh?
Not hardly
gauchecritic
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For someone who hardly knows me (can't remember which thread you said it in) you don't half talk to me a lot
Colleen Thomas said:With Sarahh?
Not hardly
For someone who hardly knows me (can't remember which thread you said it in) you don't half talk to me a lot
Lisa Denton
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I looked at the link and wouldn't trust the U.S. census people to have anything even close to accurate on other countries, they still think americans have 1.6 out-houses per family.
I started swoonin when Colly and Sarahh was discussin muff-diving though and desperately need some mouth to mouth immediately, or maybe mouth to muff, or muff to muff, or somethin.
sweetsubsarahh said:Exactly.
Which is why Colly and I began to discuss sexual things instead.
Merry Christmas, Mat!
I looked at the link and wouldn't trust the U.S. census people to have anything even close to accurate on other countries, they still think americans have 1.6 out-houses per family.
I started swoonin when Colly and Sarahh was discussin muff-diving though and desperately need some mouth to mouth immediately, or maybe mouth to muff, or muff to muff, or somethin.
Lisa Denton
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I was tryin to tickle your tonsils. if I can stick my tongue really far down your throat, is that oral sex?
matriarch said:
I was tryin to tickle your tonsils. if I can stick my tongue really far down your throat, is that oral sex?
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You intimidate me Gauche. I respect your intellect so much, but You really make me feel like I am listening to my betters.
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You intimidate me Gauche. I respect your intellect so much, but You really make me feel like I am listening to my betters.
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Back online after a Christmas hiatus, and already packing for New Years, but . . .
IMO — America has an absolute state-of-the-art cutting-edge medical system and health care, if you can afford it. If you can’t afford it, the minimum health care is definitely third rate, or worse.
Comparing American health care to that available in Great Britain or Canada (for example) must take into consideration that their health care is delivered to all citizens, while ours is only available to those with the money to pay for it.
The present administration is only exacerbating this divergence.
BTW — What does this comparison of various countries’ medical assistance have to do with the physical welfare of the average American's vocabulary?
IMO — America has an absolute state-of-the-art cutting-edge medical system and health care, if you can afford it. If you can’t afford it, the minimum health care is definitely third rate, or worse.
Comparing American health care to that available in Great Britain or Canada (for example) must take into consideration that their health care is delivered to all citizens, while ours is only available to those with the money to pay for it.
The present administration is only exacerbating this divergence.
BTW — What does this comparison of various countries’ medical assistance have to do with the physical welfare of the average American's vocabulary?
gauchecritic
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Virtual_Burlesque said:
An explanation here would be nice.
Psst Colly. I make it all up as I go along.
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The worst health care in the world
I think we have to cut back on the wars and the genocides and whatnot. Some places the health care is a negative quality. "Yes, it has had to heal on its own, but my cousin was shot in the street."
Mat makes a good point about government priorities and trained staff. We helped the Good Samaritan hospital to get built, and improved the reliability of nutrition and health care of the basal kind (that is, just making sure people have OTC sorts of things in their homes: bandaging materials, wound-dressing antibbiotic creams, acetaminophen, antacids, cough & cold stuff, children's vitamins, contraceptives) in the bateys. The very next thing to concentrate on, once the people have food and basic health, is always, always, education. The schools are going up on a high-priority basis in the bateys now, and there is a fund for educating candidates for college courses. Languages, nursing, dentistry, computer stuff, tech and trade stuff, and training teachers. That's what gets people out of the hole they're in. Education is the future.
I think research is important. So does the government. Glaxo and Merck and all those guys don't spend a tithe of the research money, they just reap the profits. It's government money and private foundation money that turns that crank.
Other than that, I think we need to repair the places where the health care delivery is broken, first. Get it to the poorest in the worst places. Prenatal care, well-baby clinics, access to ongoing meds like insulin or Diabinase, contraceptives and condoms, periodic checks and treatments against parasites, infant and child inoculations, the list is long, but not endless. And training the people to administer it.
If you imagine I mean overseas or abroad, well, okay, but there are places right here the same way. Corporate government is increasing infant mortality, malnutrition, incidence of parasitic and dysenteric diseases, right here. And the priority here for education is low, also. But I have no heartache with fixing that stuff abroad, too. wherever it's needed.
If we can stop shooting and looting one another long enough to let the clinics get in.
cantdog
I think we have to cut back on the wars and the genocides and whatnot. Some places the health care is a negative quality. "Yes, it has had to heal on its own, but my cousin was shot in the street."
Mat makes a good point about government priorities and trained staff. We helped the Good Samaritan hospital to get built, and improved the reliability of nutrition and health care of the basal kind (that is, just making sure people have OTC sorts of things in their homes: bandaging materials, wound-dressing antibbiotic creams, acetaminophen, antacids, cough & cold stuff, children's vitamins, contraceptives) in the bateys. The very next thing to concentrate on, once the people have food and basic health, is always, always, education. The schools are going up on a high-priority basis in the bateys now, and there is a fund for educating candidates for college courses. Languages, nursing, dentistry, computer stuff, tech and trade stuff, and training teachers. That's what gets people out of the hole they're in. Education is the future.
I think research is important. So does the government. Glaxo and Merck and all those guys don't spend a tithe of the research money, they just reap the profits. It's government money and private foundation money that turns that crank.
Other than that, I think we need to repair the places where the health care delivery is broken, first. Get it to the poorest in the worst places. Prenatal care, well-baby clinics, access to ongoing meds like insulin or Diabinase, contraceptives and condoms, periodic checks and treatments against parasites, infant and child inoculations, the list is long, but not endless. And training the people to administer it.
If you imagine I mean overseas or abroad, well, okay, but there are places right here the same way. Corporate government is increasing infant mortality, malnutrition, incidence of parasitic and dysenteric diseases, right here. And the priority here for education is low, also. But I have no heartache with fixing that stuff abroad, too. wherever it's needed.
If we can stop shooting and looting one another long enough to let the clinics get in.
cantdog
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Well, the current U.S. administration and their backers want a 19th Century social structure.
Regardless of the technology available that's going to mean a 19th Century mortality and sickness rate.
Regardless of the technology available that's going to mean a 19th Century mortality and sickness rate.
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